Topic: [overview] ChipMixer Signature Participants Statistics - page 2. (Read 1150 times)

Would not surprise me if somebody who dislikes OP reports it, this is why it is better to be careful what you send and to who.

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Nice data.

well the data already contains users'
- current rank
- current merit
- earned merit
it seems to me that it is a trivially easy computation to figure out what rank each user had.
for example i have 1003 merit and i've earned 503 merit that means i was a Hero Member when i joined.
you currently have 5963 and earned 4941 (according to your site) which puts you above 1000 with 22 diff (probably not updated yet) so you were Legendary when you joined.

Assuming you knew who those merit sources were--and you wouldn't necessarily, since that info isn't public. 

Glad you're being honest about that, because people rarely admit that they're hoping for merits when they create a thread.  There's nothing wrong with that IMO.  It's perfectly natural to want some recognition for a post or thread that's well-done, and there's also the practical aspect of needing merits to rank up.  Obviously this thread was of interest to a few members, because you've earned quite a few merits for it already--and they're well-earned IMO.  The only stats I've seen on Chipmixer participants are earned merits, which is (or was) a part of DarkStar_'s spreadsheet.  There may have been another thread with some data, but if there was it's been buried.

I doubt anyone is giving you charity merits, but since you're a Sr. Member I'd take all you can get and not worry about the intent of the member who gives them to you.

Meh, I don't think anyone is going to report you for sending statistic about chipmixer's signature participants to chipmixer's signature participants. I like statistics and interesting topics and I don't mind when someone send me PM about it although it is not necessary in most cases. I don't even think this can be considered as spam, you are not doing airdrop, selling anything, shilling for random projects, advertising something, spamming my inbox with the same crap over and over again after I told you not to PM me any more...
And? What conclusion have you made looking at these graphs?

Ironically I had overlooked the fact that no doubt many members are also merit sources, otherwise you would of seen a chart up there  This is probably because I didn't consider the merit "generosity" of participants as having any real relevance to the standard of participants, or being accepted into the campaign for the matter. I could obviously be wrong though.

Honestly? I assumed I would get some merit for this yes, from people who find it interesting or useful, but as someone who finds numbers and statistics calming in times of panic, it wasn't the incentive as to why I made these charts in the first place, believe it or not. I also didn't think I would get this much and not in particular from merit sources either. I also don't really care for receiving merit from those who hodl and hoard their smerit, it usually feels in-genuine and more like charity than any genuine appreciation; no offence intended. Merit sources should run along and merit another post that hasn't received any (or much less) and is worthy of receiving it. You missed your chance here, please move along now.


You basically nailed it, or from the more pessimistic perspective, how many more members have a better chance of being accepted than me or many other applicants.


Exactly! That idea sounds more insulting to Darkstar's judgement rather than anything else 
If anything, I'd argue I've reduced my chances by creating a potential conflict of interest

I wasn't offended or otherwise inconvenienced by your PM, and I'm actually glad you pointed me to this thread as I probably would have missed it.  No worries on my end for that.

The OP here made me chuckle a little, because it's like taking a time machine back 20+ years to when I took introductory statistics in college.  I remember making charts just like these for homework, though that's just about all I remember from that course (lol).  Good job with the data crunching, dragonvslinux.  Being a member of the campaign (and I consider it an honor still), I do find it interesting to see all of this.  

He might have been hoping for some merits, because I have no doubt he knows the campaign has at least a few merit sources in it.  Personally I think he deserves some, because he obviously put some work into this analysis and the topic is relevant.  A lot of members apply to Chipmixer every time there's a spot open, so it's useful to have a sense of what your chances are based on the performance of members already in it.

Yeah, I agree.  I get spam PMs which I report and other unsolicited ones that I don't--because they're not spam.  And I would imagine most PMs are not solicited and if there was a hard rule against sending a PM if the recipient wasn't expecting one....that would just be a bizarre rule.

Well, the effort must be appreciated, probably a few will say, yeah why did you sent me a PM, I'm active on the forum I would have seen that anyhow...it's their choice what to do but I don't think we have anyone that trigger happy in the campaign, especially since the OP has nothing to really gain out of it.
If you believe he is doing this to get accepted in the campaign, is anyone here thinking one post will influence Darkstar's opinion that much? Doubt it!.

The only thing I dislike about this is that the topic isn't one self-moderated, whenever you post something about CM participants a shitstorm is on the horizon. Till now everything is fine...but we all know...

There is no "you problem" nor a "me problem" there is not problem at all and I don't want any "precious smerit" back. Now we are even.
I've been honest of what was my first impresion of seeing you PM. As I said above, you did a good job you put a lot of effort, it is constructive and informative data and I have nothing against you. I decided to give you the merit not because I felt pressured, but because of what you created.

I certainly don't mind the PM.  Can't speak for everyone else, but it's hard to imagine anyone would have taken offence to it.  It's not like someone is trying to sell us something.

Pretty sure the unsolicited messaging stuff is related to spam, which this isn't.

Don't worry I got that, I just don't think it came across to others like that. though obviously I know this wasn't your intent either. All good.
Mainly because your interpretation of what is "interesting", is considerably different from the average user here, for the following reason 


Thanks again for your help, it was necessary.

Confirmed That's not what I meant, what I wrote was meant to be a short description of your long and interesting^* PM

^*For a data mining AI human like me.

Good data pipelining and smart efforts too dude !

I am sure your motivation behind this thread was your personal curiosity, more specifically about the clumping up of DTs in there and not merits. I see it as a sign of centralization, although it's just a campaign, above data explicitly speaks much more.

dragonvslinux has made an extremely detailed & highly constructive OP. There are rarely posts of this high quality on the forum.

If I’m honest these kind of threads bore the shit out of me & I have no interest in them at all.

However, one has to appreciate & respect the hard work & effort he’s put in here. If anybody is annoyed or offended by him sending PM’s then I think they’re a bit of a dick to be honest. That particular forum rule can definitely be ignored on this occasion.

Like I said, this kind of thread isn’t for me but it’s very detailed & obviously took a lot of work.

+ 4 Merit’s.

True story, more interesting but also more work  


For reference, I never PM'd you saying "here's a bunch of interesting things I'm working on", but anyway.

Apologies to anyone who felt this unsolicited PM was spam or ban worthy. As referenced, I PM'd participants out of courtesy, I I acknowledge that not everyone appreciates their post/merit/trust data scrutinized and/or compared with others, even if intentionally not including usernames in the data. Arguably this was pointless and redundant, as anyone who wouldn't appreciate, also probably wouldn't appreciate a PM about it either. Picking up a double edged sword never works it seems. Lesson learnt!


To be clear; I don't care for anyone's merit over this, I did this out of personal curiosity (as referenced), and made it clear to DarkStar_ the intent.
If you (or anyone else) felt pressured to give merit, that's a "you problem" not a "me problem". Regardless, I return your precious smerit  


You're totally right, should of done this   Hadn't considered that would of notified all relevant participants, my oversight. Kind of obvious when you look at it. At the same time, I didn't want to post (again) there, because it would of looked like it was related to my application (as it's not). Re: double edged sword.


I didn't tell everyone to visit the thread at all, I agree this is not done, as it would be spam. I PM'd an FYI with the link out of courtesy, slightly different, but lesson still learnt either way.

And those such users (given their existence) should reconsider the nature of rules and regulations from a causal state: that is, what is the intent of such rules?

Trouble often occurs when people become inchoate pedantic admin-pleasers.

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That being said, aggregate (and public) stats usually don't require the acknowledgment of each individual, do they? Especially with a large sample size.

Good work, but this PM was not exactly for my taste. What I mean is that it feels like you are pressing the participants for merit it a way, maybe it's not the case but this is how I felt.
Anyway, you put some effort to do it so,... I'm not a negative person

If that's the case I agree: telling them all to visit this thread is not done. The ones who use a notification service can easily be summoned by posting their name in this topic, and users who don't use such a service shouldn't receive a PM.

I tend to agree LoyceV, and I'm not going to be the one to report him. Although over the almost 60 participants he likely PMed there might be one or two you have a loose trigger, so I preferred to warn him about it.

IMHO getting our attention with less risk would've been posting in the campaign thread

The stats themselves are interesting and worth looking into, no question.

The number of Senior members is probably strongly reduced by the fact that barely anyone voluntarily leaves the campaign. It would be interesting to see what rank each participant had when they joined, but that's going to be a lot of work to dig up.

I received a PM from dragonvslinux about this, and although it was technically unsolicited, I'd say the forum rules aren't meant to stop this. There's a difference between: "Hey, here's a bunch of interesting things I'm working on, and I'd like to get your help" and "please sir can I buy 800 Merit or your account". I don't think this forum will become better if you have to ask permission to PM in public before asking someone a question by PM.

Sending unsolicited PM's is an offence on this forum that comes with a temp bann.

I'm not here to make assumptions on your motives regarding this, but you should be careful with the rules.