P2E crypto - which ones are good and worth it? - page 2.

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Quote from: RealMalatesta on July 12, 2022, 08:49:04 AM

Quote from: blockman on July 11, 2022, 03:12:35 AM

I think even if the devs have made a perfect economy for Axie, they just can't skip the strength of a bear market. And we all know that most projects are drowning and affected when it comes to the bear market. It's true that many of these P2E/NFT games are hard to be sustained if the userbase has become huge and that's what other projects have to learn from these successful P2E games. I don't know if they will still be a thing in the next years.

I disagree. Axie was always destined to fail, why? Because they have a system where you can breed infinitely, meaning you will eventually have so many axies working towards making money that, it will not be profitable to keep making it, and that would cause the inflation of the SLP and AXS and cause it to go down. Even with spending some money to breed that Axie, eventually some people will do it, and the number of Axies would have gone to "too many" side and that is what has happened.

You cannot sustain such a thing and it would only be gone eventually. This is why we should never expect it to go on like this, we need to make sure that it never has the same issues again and axie would need to fix that mechanism in their game.

Quite honestly I do not think this is something that can be fixed at all, when we think of other games in which people make a living through them you see games that are loved by their gameplay and only a small minority of the gamers are making any money with the game itself while the rest just like to watch their favorite gamers and the crazy stuff they can do, however in those play to earn games which we see here almost everyone is in only for the money, which means the model is impossible to sustain and sooner or later it will collapse.

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Quote from: blockman on July 11, 2022, 03:12:35 AM

I think even if the devs have made a perfect economy for Axie, they just can't skip the strength of a bear market. And we all know that most projects are drowning and affected when it comes to the bear market. It's true that many of these P2E/NFT games are hard to be sustained if the userbase has become huge and that's what other projects have to learn from these successful P2E games. I don't know if they will still be a thing in the next years.

I disagree. Axie was always destined to fail, why? Because they have a system where you can breed infinitely, meaning you will eventually have so many axies working towards making money that, it will not be profitable to keep making it, and that would cause the inflation of the SLP and AXS and cause it to go down. Even with spending some money to breed that Axie, eventually some people will do it, and the number of Axies would have gone to "too many" side and that is what has happened.

You cannot sustain such a thing and it would only be gone eventually. This is why we should never expect it to go on like this, we need to make sure that it never has the same issues again and axie would need to fix that mechanism in their game.

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Quote from: tbct_mt2 on July 10, 2022, 04:35:46 AM

You should understand how macro finance and micro finance work. If you understand them and realize that for an economy to work, there are inflows and outflows.

I kinda agree, most of the NFT gaming that have too much outflows like axie has been going under recently, it seems they couldn't contain the NFT generated and couldn't keep up with its demand considering most of the time the utility of these generated NFT from the game is bad.
like SLP where it quite literally just become such valueless NFT after the correction since there are too many SLP generated from the game and now it's already losing majority of its value like 95%

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Quote from: blockman on July 11, 2022, 03:12:35 AM

I think even if the devs have made a perfect economy for Axie, they just can't skip the strength of a bear market.

Talking about the perfect economy, i take it as self-sufficient so in my opinion, it won't be affected by any outside market. Since it is perfect it can support the system itself and is unaffected by the bear market. Let us not blame the bear market for the incompetent decisions of the developer that affects the project market performance.

Quote from: blockman on July 11, 2022, 03:12:35 AM

And we all know that most projects are drowning and affected when it comes to the bear market. It's true that many of these P2E/NFT games are hard to be sustained if the userbase has become huge and that's what other projects have to learn from these successful P2E games.

It is hard to sustain because it needs more people to come in to support the earlier joiners. The reward system of most P2E is designed as a Ponzi-like scheme.

Quote from: blockman on July 11, 2022, 03:12:35 AM

I don't know if they will still be a thing in the next years.

They might change the name or terms of the trend to hook up everyone again. Grin

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Quote from: serjent05 on July 10, 2022, 03:59:34 PM

I highly agree. Take AXIE Infinity as an example. Axie Infinity had a huge userbase and had been popular for some time now. There are times that the inflow outweigh the outflow when the project got popular but it wasn't sustainable because at one point those who are involved in the inflow will somehow be involved with the outflow in the future. And when that happen, the reward token called SLP took the hit. Dumping from $0.399727 down to $0.0039. The same thing will happen to all P2E games that have the same reward system as Axie. Unless the game developer implements in-game purchases and forever in-demand, and set the profit of those purchases to support the token. Then the result will be different.

I think even if the devs have made a perfect economy for Axie, they just can't skip the strength of a bear market. And we all know that most projects are drowning and affected when it comes to the bear market. It's true that many of these P2E/NFT games are hard to be sustained if the userbase has become huge and that's what other projects have to learn from these successful P2E games. I don't know if they will still be a thing in the next years.

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It's better if you are not focusing with play to earn. Sometime it can be very boring with the boring games. I meant you must also aware if move to earn was also offering very good reward at this moment. I thihnk that if there are bunch of games that can give you free money. Sometime even the game like axie can give you free money as long as you can be active to find axie school.

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Quote from: tbct_mt2 on July 10, 2022, 04:35:46 AM

You should understand how macro finance and micro finance work. If you understand them and realize that for an economy to work, there are inflows and outflows.

Play to Earn has more outflows than inflows. There are inflows that are not enough to cover sell pressure from outflows. Gamers can buy NFTs with their inflows but they can play to earn forever. Most of play to earn games don't restrict how long gamers can earn. Even if they have that restriction, sell pressure is still big.

If a game producer can not balance inflows and outflows, that Play to Earn token will be dumped.

I highly agree. Take AXIE Infinity as an example. Axie Infinity had a huge userbase and had been popular for some time now. There are times that the inflow outweigh the outflow when the project got popular but it wasn't sustainable because at one point those who are involved in the inflow will somehow be involved with the outflow in the future. And when that happen, the reward token called SLP took the hit. Dumping from $0.399727 down to $0.0039. The same thing will happen to all P2E games that have the same reward system as Axie. Unless the game developer implements in-game purchases and forever in-demand, and set the profit of those purchases to support the token. Then the result will be different.

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Quote from: zonefloor on July 09, 2022, 08:06:29 PM

Earning without investment on gaming platforms is very, very difficult. Even when you play a normal game, you can't get stronger if you don't invest money and buy in-game items. After all, we are talking about making money without investment. Can't you win? Of course you can win, but it will take so long that it is doubtful that the game will continue until then. In short, it is unlikely that you will make money without investing money.

Yes, as you said, every game requires investment. Among the games I played, there were free2play games that did not require any investment, but when the market fell, the price of the tokens in the game fell, and the hype ended and started to fail. I think the quality of the games is so low that the money spent on game developers is very funny. Currently, they are using the play2earn system to raise funds very quickly, so it is a waste of both time and money, I agree, but there will be good projects, I think they should be evaluated separately.

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Quote from: Iyeman on July 09, 2022, 06:13:42 PM

try out STEPN since it just requires you running I guess it's gonna suits for most of the casual people.
the thing with axie infinity is that it requires you grinding in their boring games and the longer you gamed in axie infinity it becomes like a chore, with stepn at least you have the chance of making yourself healthy so I guess it's a better choice.
regardless though, most of these NFTs projects are already losing most of its value so consider

Step-n is a walk to earn but what the op wants is a play to earn however to some people including you, walking can be fun and indeed that it is much better than playing a video game because we are exercising our body. I only don't know though if step-n was still profitable during this bear season and the project is also a bit old right? So, it's hype must have died a little. It's kinda interesting how crypto trend is evolving and who would have thought that we will end up on a walk to earn? Next to play to earn.

On the other hand, axie might look boring to you because maybe you are into other game genres but for someone that grows with pokemon and turn-based games then they are fine with the game. The only issue right now in axie is it's price which have dumped a lot.

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Quote from: Silberman on July 10, 2022, 10:40:58 AM

Quote from: sabine80 on July 08, 2022, 10:49:54 AM

do you know any good projects where i don't have to invest any money and can earn crypto by playing (p2e)? im looking for such crypto projects. thanks in advance for good suggestions.

The hype that play to earn tokens and games generated is on the low side at the moment, so even if you could play for free some of those games you are not going to find many people that are interested in those games anymore, and if there is no interest coming from the community then those games will sooner or later fail, so I would not recommend to you that you invest your time in those tokens as I sincerely believe that you will just waste your time if you do so.

Yes, because in addition to the popularity of the project and the possibility of earning these tokens, you also need to consider the liquidity of these tokens. The project may promise to earn 1000 tokens a month for spending time in its game, and when the player gets them, he will certainly want to sell them, but will face the problem that either these tokens are not traded anywhere, or there is no demand for these tokens, but only one offer to sell. Bounty hunters who participated in questionable bounties faced a similar problem. Tokens were issued to them, as promised, but these tokens were left lying around in their wallets because there was nowhere to sell them.

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Quote from: sabine80 on July 08, 2022, 10:49:54 AM

do you know any good projects where i don't have to invest any money and can earn crypto by playing (p2e)? im looking for such crypto projects. thanks in advance for good suggestions.

The hype that play to earn tokens and games generated is on the low side at the moment, so even if you could play for free some of those games you are not going to find many people that are interested in those games anymore, and if there is no interest coming from the community then those games will sooner or later fail, so I would not recommend to you that you invest your time in those tokens as I sincerely believe that you will just waste your time if you do so.

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most of the time you need to invest in the game, because otherwise there's hardly any games that didn't require you to invest first in order for you to earn.
the way most of these games works and have sustaining economic model is because you are quite literally required in making an investment so that there's flow of investment going in.
most of the games like axie infinity and the likes that have been mentioned always requires some kind of initial investment first since otherwise it's definitely isn't worth your time at all.

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Quote from: sabine80 on July 08, 2022, 10:49:54 AM

do you know any good projects where i don't have to invest any money and can earn crypto by playing (p2e)? im looking for such crypto projects. thanks in advance for good suggestions.

I will try to list some for you.

1. GMT aka stepn, you can earn from running for free and what you need to rent the shoes from others and you will be able to earning a few dollars from there. that's free but you need to agreed with the owner of shoes about sharing earning mechanism.
2. Vulcan forged was also implementing the same thing like that.

You can earn lava by playing the game for free and your lava can be exchanged into the stable token.

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You should understand how macro finance and micro finance work. If you understand them and realize that for an economy to work, there are inflows and outflows.

Play to Earn has more outflows than inflows. There are inflows that are not enough to cover sell pressure from outflows. Gamers can buy NFTs with their inflows but they can play to earn forever. Most of play to earn games don't restrict how long gamers can earn. Even if they have that restriction, sell pressure is still big.

If a game producer can not balance inflows and outflows, that Play to Earn token will be dumped.

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Quote from: sabine80 on July 08, 2022, 10:49:54 AM

do you know any good projects where i don't have to invest any money and can earn crypto by playing (p2e)? im looking for such crypto projects. thanks in advance for good suggestions.

There ia one am aware of, sweatcoin - a move to earn project where you get rewarded for actively moving around, the project is not in any trading exchange yet, you can only accumulate the tokens pending when they get listed in any of the exchange. You will have to download the app first, do some registration to get started. it doesn't require any investment for now.

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Quote from: Jackl87 on July 08, 2022, 01:11:30 PM

Quote from: sabine80 on July 08, 2022, 10:49:54 AM

do you know any good projects where i don't have to invest any money and can earn crypto by playing (p2e)? im looking for such crypto projects. thanks in advance for good suggestions.

I don't follow the development of play2earn games that closely at the moment as the whole crypto market is down and because play2earn games where a pretty new trend within the crypto space they were dropping even more in price than other projects. I don't think that there are play2earn games out there that are really hot at the moment. I also don't think that you can earn real money with them if you are not willing to invest even a little amount of money upfront. If that would be the case then those projects would already be dead because the token would not have any value at all. I know that it would be a dream for a lot of people to make an income just by playing without having to pay anything, but that is just not possible.

Agree with you that there will be no free meals, all p2e projects are also a form of investment like other coins on the market. You can't make money if you don't want to invest. Currently, there are also some p2e projects that allow players to go capital-free and get some rewards for completing missions, but most of them will be worthless and unsellable. If you are really interested in p2e, I think you should at least invest a small amount of capital to make a profit.

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Quote from: yazher on July 10, 2022, 01:00:27 AM

This one seems the only way you both enjoy playing and at the same time, you will gonna earn some money by just competing with the players in the arena and familiar arena.

It seems you are playing this game mate. Good to hear that, maybe you can share some thought about the game. I didnt play that but only hearing quite often. Hows the experience and if ever you already been earning can you tell us how much or at least any idea to give here so people can have some of the basics of the game.

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Quote from: cryptoaddictchie on July 08, 2022, 10:59:23 AM

What famous game now is the nino Kuni but I dont played that game but youll earn some tokens from the game which can be traded and sell for money. Im not sure how much is the profit but it seems its really free to play this game. Im suggeating this cause their developer and this game is known and famous. So likely youll dont end up posting rants on a scam free p2e. It even trending now on playstore. Just checked them out, for details.
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This one seems the only way you both enjoy playing and at the same time, you will gonna earn some money by just competing with the players in the arena and familiar arena. Are you worried that you might not gonna get anything because you don't have the means to cash in to upgrade your items? well, let me tell you people are not really that competitive because the arena is 3vs3 and when you are weak, most of the time you are paired with strong players which will gonna give you a huge boost to win and earn per week.

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Quote from: zonefloor on July 09, 2022, 08:06:29 PM

Earning without investment on gaming platforms is very, very difficult. Even when you play a normal game, you can't get stronger if you don't invest money and buy in-game items. After all, we are talking about making money without investment. Can't you win? Of course you can win, but it will take so long that it is doubtful that the game will continue until then. In short, it is unlikely that you will make money without investing money.

Thats the side risk of investing. We all knew that on games that are free the one that pays earned faster and make some money more. Of coure this will be the case as always. Its a little bit unfair if the one paying can be of same earning with those who dont shed any money right? But dont get me wrong there are literally p2e that earns for free even without investment.

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Good and worth it? Not in the slightest.There is no which one,it's all the same in my opinion.Even if there are good ones that's free,the time and effort that you have to invest in the game is gonna wear you out mentally.It's better to use your time for finding a P2E project that really really have the potential to success.

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