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October 18, 2023, 07:01:03 PM
#67

I would want for these two fighters to get into the ring one more time but I don't think they would. Both are past their primes and should be reaping the benefits of their hard work and hazards, let them have their own fun.

If they had only been resting nowadays and not getting into some exhibition fights with celebrities and others, the fans wouldn't believe these rumors and it wouldn't really matter to them because it just doesn't make sense at all. But as we can see, both are active on the ring and still can box, the only thing that could make them accept a re-match as most users said there is a huge amount of money. We know that America or any country in the West don't want to gamble that much for them but in other countries in the Middle East, they could find some sponsors that wanted them to fight once more.
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October 18, 2023, 05:22:00 PM
#66

Still, I doubt this rematch 2 will happen unless they are really paid in huge amount of money they can't refuse.


This is the only exception I can think of for this rematch to happen. If Saudi people put tons of money for this to happen, it would most likely to happen, because this is the only way Mayweather would ever change his decision. I mean Pacquiao is always there ready for any challenges that will be offered in the table, but as for Mayweather he is already ducking to protect his flawless legacy. Even with just an exhibition against Pacquiao if he losses, it will still tarnish his legacy though his records are still clean.
Mayweather is all about money chaching! So money is the only way we can put these 2 together again in the same ring.
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October 18, 2023, 05:06:33 PM
#65
Not related to the Pacquiao vs. Mayweather 2 rematch, I just wanted to share that alleged Manny Pacquiao's son from other woman has made his professional boxing debut.
Pacquiao Jr. (Emmanuel Bacosa Pacquiao) greatly resembles his father not only in appearance but also in his fighting style. It appears he has inherited his skills from his father and I hope he continues to carry on his father's legacy in the world of boxing.

Has anyone here seen the fight? If not, you can watch it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY_a29p3a0M
Expecting the same kind of performance that his father had from this kid is simply unfair, Pacquiao is one of the best boxers ever and probabilities alone dictate that it will be almost impossible for two fighters of the same level could appear on the same family, just look at what happened to the children of Chavez which is the best Mexican fighter ever, his kids were bad inside and outside the ring, so as long as this kid can avoid tarnishing the reputation of his father and can become a champion I would consider that a success.

He doesn't have the skill. What Manny Pacman had during his teen life was just boxing which he put all his hopes into. This allegedly son of his is not near to what Pacman can do during his amateur days. It's all on YouTube, he managed to KO older than him while he was a teen. Most boxers who tend to become the greatest are like Mike Tyson who rose from poverty. Pacman did the same. Most of them came from poor beginnings. 

Still, I doubt this rematch 2 will happen unless they are really paid in huge amount of money they can't refuse. This could be needed for the people to look into boxing and not the wars we see today.


Agreed, boxing is one of those sports to get people off the streets.  It happens more times than not that the best become the best because they literally have no other choice.  If not for boxing then they will struggle in life.  No better motivator for a man to put success and food/shelter in the way. 
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October 18, 2023, 04:37:59 PM
#64
Not related to the Pacquiao vs. Mayweather 2 rematch, I just wanted to share that alleged Manny Pacquiao's son from other woman has made his professional boxing debut.
Pacquiao Jr. (Emmanuel Bacosa Pacquiao) greatly resembles his father not only in appearance but also in his fighting style. It appears he has inherited his skills from his father and I hope he continues to carry on his father's legacy in the world of boxing.

Has anyone here seen the fight? If not, you can watch it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY_a29p3a0M
Expecting the same kind of performance that his father had from this kid is simply unfair, Pacquiao is one of the best boxers ever and probabilities alone dictate that it will be almost impossible for two fighters of the same level could appear on the same family, just look at what happened to the children of Chavez which is the best Mexican fighter ever, his kids were bad inside and outside the ring, so as long as this kid can avoid tarnishing the reputation of his father and can become a champion I would consider that a success.
It's good to see another Pacquiao in the ring, but yeah, I do agree that it's hard to follow the footsteps of his father. Sure he had the genes, but his father is one of a kind. We've seen a lot of father and son in boxing already and we can say that it's going to be totally different.

The young Pacquiaos have their own path and career, who knows they can be able to rise as a champion although not as great as their father.  The one on the video have potential and I think he is better than his sibling.

If I'm Manny though, I wouldn't let my son go and fight in the ring. He knows it is a brutal sport. Manny that time has no choice though, it was the only way to get out of poverty that's why he choose that path and very successful. His son has nothing to proved, he is already a Pacquiao, he looks like his father but his path in life will not be the same.

I do otherwise, I'd just let them do their aspirations and will support them.



About the rematch of Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather, I read that Manny Pacquiao does not confirmed nor deny the rumor, though there are some teasing statement from Manny that he will be releasing a big news in the coming day.

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“Abangan niyo na lang yung announcement (Just wait for the announcement),” Pacquiao responded recently when asked if there is truth to social media posts claiming he and Mayweather will go at it for a second time.
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It is possible that the deal is on the work and yet to be finalized reason why neither camp is denying or confirming the rumor.
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October 18, 2023, 04:33:21 PM
#63
Not sure if this is going to happen. yes Pacman's pretty much eager to fight Mayweather for a rematch, but Mayweather never rematches his opponents at all. He made it a point and there's no way he's going to make an exception for Pacquiao even though he said it himself that he's the toughest opponent he has ever faced. Plus both of these fighters have retired from professional boxing already. And most of all this has been a circulating news over the internet ever since they fought, so the credibility of this headline's steadily plummeting as I'm creating this post lol.

I would want for these two fighters to get into the ring one more time but I don't think they would. Both are past their primes and should be reaping the benefits of their hard work and hazards, let them have their own fun.
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October 18, 2023, 04:26:05 PM
#62
Not related to the Pacquiao vs. Mayweather 2 rematch, I just wanted to share that alleged Manny Pacquiao's son from other woman has made his professional boxing debut.
Pacquiao Jr. (Emmanuel Bacosa Pacquiao) greatly resembles his father not only in appearance but also in his fighting style. It appears he has inherited his skills from his father and I hope he continues to carry on his father's legacy in the world of boxing.

Has anyone here seen the fight? If not, you can watch it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY_a29p3a0M
Expecting the same kind of performance that his father had from this kid is simply unfair, Pacquiao is one of the best boxers ever and probabilities alone dictate that it will be almost impossible for two fighters of the same level could appear on the same family, just look at what happened to the children of Chavez which is the best Mexican fighter ever, his kids were bad inside and outside the ring, so as long as this kid can avoid tarnishing the reputation of his father and can become a champion I would consider that a success.
It's good to see another Pacquiao in the ring, but yeah, I do agree that it's hard to follow the footsteps of his father. Sure he had the genes, but his father is one of a kind. We've seen a lot of father and son in boxing already and we can say that it's going to be totally different.

If I'm Manny though, I wouldn't let my son go and fight in the ring. He knows it is a brutal sport. Manny that time has no choice though, it was the only way to get out of poverty that's why he choose that path and very successful. His son has nothing to proved, he is already a Pacquiao, he looks like his father but his path in life will not be the same.
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October 18, 2023, 03:20:08 PM
#61
Not related to the Pacquiao vs. Mayweather 2 rematch, I just wanted to share that alleged Manny Pacquiao's son from other woman has made his professional boxing debut.
Pacquiao Jr. (Emmanuel Bacosa Pacquiao) greatly resembles his father not only in appearance but also in his fighting style. It appears he has inherited his skills from his father and I hope he continues to carry on his father's legacy in the world of boxing.

Has anyone here seen the fight? If not, you can watch it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY_a29p3a0M
Expecting the same kind of performance that his father had from this kid is simply unfair, Pacquiao is one of the best boxers ever and probabilities alone dictate that it will be almost impossible for two fighters of the same level could appear on the same family, just look at what happened to the children of Chavez which is the best Mexican fighter ever, his kids were bad inside and outside the ring, so as long as this kid can avoid tarnishing the reputation of his father and can become a champion I would consider that a success.

He doesn't have the skill. What Manny Pacman had during his teen life was just boxing which he put all his hopes into. This allegedly son of his is not near to what Pacman can do during his amateur days. It's all on YouTube, he managed to KO older than him while he was a teen. Most boxers who tend to become the greatest are like Mike Tyson who rose from poverty. Pacman did the same. Most of them came from poor beginnings. 

Still, I doubt this rematch 2 will happen unless they are really paid in huge amount of money they can't refuse. This could be needed for the people to look into boxing and not the wars we see today.
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October 18, 2023, 02:53:51 PM
#60
When I saw this thread I thought: I'll wait a few more days to see if there will be any confirmation from a credible source as to whether this news is real or has any chance of becoming true in the future, but after a few days have passed without me seeing anything confirmation from some reliable source, so I conclude that it is just a rumor that will not happen, but also looking at the ages of these two fighters, I see that these fighters would hardly have the same performance as in the past, the guys are already on their way to old age , their lifestyle is no longer for fights and therefore the most they could do would be an exhibition moon, something that could even attract people to watch

but it wouldn't be a serious fight, also all fighters like to end their careers with victories, that's why in their case fighters Mayweather wouldn't accept a fight in which he would lose and have his reputation tarnished by defeat, so this fight won't go to happen. In any case, there are many fighters who will provide good fights and who are still young and can therefore continue to bring joy and excitement to boxing. There is no need to go looking for old fighters who were good fighters in the past, I think you need to know how to forget the past ( the retired fighters) and focus on the fighters of the present
I agree, we enjoyed the performances of both of them for a very long time and we watched them fight each other when they were in a better physical condition than the one they are now, so I do not really see the point of this fight other than to make a lot of money for them and for the fans to relish on the nostalgia of watching those two to fight each other again, but for the fans of boxing, those that want to watch good fights between the best boxers around the world, there will be nothing to watch if this fight took place.

They are not in a better shape though when they fight the first time, they are like in their mid 30's if I'm not mistaken, and then Pacquiao suffering a shoulder injury during their fight. Although it become a PPV number 1 and up to know hasn't been broken, there are a lot of speculations that Floyd really waited for this kind of version of Manny before he fight him, lost to Bradley and then to JMM.

And with that, the rematch will still make money, but it will not be the same as the last fight or at our imagination that they could have fought when both are still in their prime. And I will still go with what others might have think if this fight is going to happen or they both push for it. This will be exhibition match and only after fo r the money because they know that fans are willing to pay for them to be in the ring again.
Nothing beats out on seeing these both boxers to fight specially into their prime days considering that having a match on the time that they had retired would really be have already that degrade performance due to age but still it would really be that giving a good fight knowing that these both fighters are really that a legend here on boxing world. Its true that when it comes to PPV then it hasnt been broken yet and if there would really be that a second exhibition match then it would be having no doubts that this would really be setting some record breaking when it comes to PPV on which it is indeed that there would really be still
lots of fans that would really be that willing to pay to see this fight.

Even though this one wont really be that official but having that rematch will really be that good to look at. I would really be expecting that we would really be seeing some fair scoring
about on this match and not really that something that getting some bad results or judgement specially into their judges just like the previous one on which it is really that
obvious on whose the clear winner which is Pacquiao but ending up on getting by Maywaether on which it is really that something frustrating.
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October 18, 2023, 02:45:02 PM
#59
Not related to the Pacquiao vs. Mayweather 2 rematch, I just wanted to share that alleged Manny Pacquiao's son from other woman has made his professional boxing debut.
Pacquiao Jr. (Emmanuel Bacosa Pacquiao) greatly resembles his father not only in appearance but also in his fighting style. It appears he has inherited his skills from his father and I hope he continues to carry on his father's legacy in the world of boxing.

Has anyone here seen the fight? If not, you can watch it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY_a29p3a0M
Expecting the same kind of performance that his father had from this kid is simply unfair, Pacquiao is one of the best boxers ever and probabilities alone dictate that it will be almost impossible for two fighters of the same level could appear on the same family, just look at what happened to the children of Chavez which is the best Mexican fighter ever, his kids were bad inside and outside the ring, so as long as this kid can avoid tarnishing the reputation of his father and can become a champion I would consider that a success.
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October 17, 2023, 08:16:05 AM
#58
Not related to the Pacquiao vs. Mayweather 2 rematch, I just wanted to share that alleged Manny Pacquiao's son from other woman has made his professional boxing debut.
Pacquiao Jr. (Emmanuel Bacosa Pacquiao) greatly resembles his father not only in appearance but also in his fighting style. It appears he has inherited his skills from his father and I hope he continues to carry on his father's legacy in the world of boxing.

Has anyone here seen the fight? If not, you can watch it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY_a29p3a0M
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October 17, 2023, 07:41:50 AM
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And with that, the rematch will still make money, but it will not be the same as the last fight or at our imagination that they could have fought when both are still in their prime. And I will still go with what others might have think if this fight is going to happen or they both push for it. This will be exhibition match and only after fo r the money because they know that fans are willing to pay for them to be in the ring again.

It's important to remember that this is merely an exhibition match, so we shouldn't set our expectations too high. Both fighters are past their prime, and that might work to their advantage, with both of them likely to be slower. Mayweather may not have the mobility he used to, which could create opportunities for Pacman to connect with his powerful punches. I'm confident that Pacman still has faith in his abilities, considering he even offered to represent in the Olympics.

That's what I'm trying to say though, but there could be fans who think that this could be a revenge type of fight for Manny, which is not. It's going to be an exhibition fight, but the promotion will be big though as if they promoting a real fight. And I wouldn't be surprised if the fight is going to happen somewhere in the Middle East as there are a lot of interest from the Arabs, specially Saudi, who is a rich oil nation. They wanted to be entertained, and we have seen in the last couple of years, HW fights being held in the desert. And so if this become a reality, maybe, just maybe they are willing to fight again with big money on the table coming from Saudi Arabia.
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October 12, 2023, 10:39:23 PM
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And with that, the rematch will still make money, but it will not be the same as the last fight or at our imagination that they could have fought when both are still in their prime. And I will still go with what others might have think if this fight is going to happen or they both push for it. This will be exhibition match and only after fo r the money because they know that fans are willing to pay for them to be in the ring again.

It's important to remember that this is merely an exhibition match, so we shouldn't set our expectations too high. Both fighters are past their prime, and that might work to their advantage, with both of them likely to be slower. Mayweather may not have the mobility he used to, which could create opportunities for Pacman to connect with his powerful punches. I'm confident that Pacman still has faith in his abilities, considering he even offered to represent in the Olympics.
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October 12, 2023, 10:37:15 PM
#55
It is actually "Pacquiao" not "Pacquaio". Well as a kababayan of Manny I think this fight depends on Mayweather's camp decision because Manny will of course has the gut to fight. It is true that a rematch or an exhibition fight would be too risky for Mayweather as he is taking care of his 50-0 career record. Mayweather's team knew that Manny has something to prove against their dude. I might be wrong but yeah I don't think it will happen in the future.
Given that it's definitely going to garner a lot of money, Mayweather will definitely grab the opportunity for a rematch and he knows already how things will end up anyway, I am sure that it's going to be the same as last time plus Pacquiao isn't the same as his prime comparing that to Mayweather, I am sure that he's (Pacquiaoo) is going to have a hard time again. Totally agree that it's unlikely to happen and it's just going to be a rumor.
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October 12, 2023, 10:23:51 PM
#54
When I saw this thread I thought: I'll wait a few more days to see if there will be any confirmation from a credible source as to whether this news is real or has any chance of becoming true in the future, but after a few days have passed without me seeing anything confirmation from some reliable source, so I conclude that it is just a rumor that will not happen, but also looking at the ages of these two fighters, I see that these fighters would hardly have the same performance as in the past, the guys are already on their way to old age , their lifestyle is no longer for fights and therefore the most they could do would be an exhibition moon, something that could even attract people to watch

but it wouldn't be a serious fight, also all fighters like to end their careers with victories, that's why in their case fighters Mayweather wouldn't accept a fight in which he would lose and have his reputation tarnished by defeat, so this fight won't go to happen. In any case, there are many fighters who will provide good fights and who are still young and can therefore continue to bring joy and excitement to boxing. There is no need to go looking for old fighters who were good fighters in the past, I think you need to know how to forget the past ( the retired fighters) and focus on the fighters of the present
I agree, we enjoyed the performances of both of them for a very long time and we watched them fight each other when they were in a better physical condition than the one they are now, so I do not really see the point of this fight other than to make a lot of money for them and for the fans to relish on the nostalgia of watching those two to fight each other again, but for the fans of boxing, those that want to watch good fights between the best boxers around the world, there will be nothing to watch if this fight took place.

They are not in a better shape though when they fight the first time, they are like in their mid 30's if I'm not mistaken, and then Pacquiao suffering a shoulder injury during their fight. Although it become a PPV number 1 and up to know hasn't been broken, there are a lot of speculations that Floyd really waited for this kind of version of Manny before he fight him, lost to Bradley and then to JMM.

And with that, the rematch will still make money, but it will not be the same as the last fight or at our imagination that they could have fought when both are still in their prime. And I will still go with what others might have think if this fight is going to happen or they both push for it. This will be exhibition match and only after fo r the money because they know that fans are willing to pay for them to be in the ring again.
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October 11, 2023, 02:09:02 PM
#53
When I saw this thread I thought: I'll wait a few more days to see if there will be any confirmation from a credible source as to whether this news is real or has any chance of becoming true in the future, but after a few days have passed without me seeing anything confirmation from some reliable source, so I conclude that it is just a rumor that will not happen, but also looking at the ages of these two fighters, I see that these fighters would hardly have the same performance as in the past, the guys are already on their way to old age , their lifestyle is no longer for fights and therefore the most they could do would be an exhibition moon, something that could even attract people to watch

but it wouldn't be a serious fight, also all fighters like to end their careers with victories, that's why in their case fighters Mayweather wouldn't accept a fight in which he would lose and have his reputation tarnished by defeat, so this fight won't go to happen. In any case, there are many fighters who will provide good fights and who are still young and can therefore continue to bring joy and excitement to boxing. There is no need to go looking for old fighters who were good fighters in the past, I think you need to know how to forget the past ( the retired fighters) and focus on the fighters of the present
I agree, we enjoyed the performances of both of them for a very long time and we watched them fight each other when they were in a better physical condition than the one they are now, so I do not really see the point of this fight other than to make a lot of money for them and for the fans to relish on the nostalgia of watching those two to fight each other again, but for the fans of boxing, those that want to watch good fights between the best boxers around the world, there will be nothing to watch if this fight took place.
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October 09, 2023, 03:30:53 PM
#52
There's a rumors spreading that Pacquiao vs Mayweather 2 rematch will set to happen on May 2024 https://asianmma.com/manny-pacquiao-rumoured-to-be-rematching-floyd-mayweather-in-2024/

Pacquaio is always ready to fight Mayweather is so evasive for past couple of years. Do you think that this match up would really happen?

If this deal will be set and there's official contract that this fight would happen on speculated date for sure many boxing fans will get hype for seeing this two legendary will set another big match in boxing history.

I want this fight to happen and hope no other elements will stop this or Mayweather will agree to this deal so that we can see if Pacquaio could get a revenge or Mayweather can seal the long time discussion about who is the best boxer between him and Pacquaio.
There were no words that would really be confirming for such fight even though this one is really just that an exhibition on which the results wont really be that much of a concern considering that both boxers had already retired. It is really just that whatever decisions that they would be taking whether pushing a exhibition fight (not official one) then for sure tons of people would really be still that love and really pay for this fight to see
considering that it would really be a rematch but to know that their arent on their prime anymore then this is a fight that we might not really be that expecting compared into those days where they are really that still active or havent retired.

Do Mayweather have the guts on accepting it out? This man or fighter having a title that having no defeat. If he would really be taking up the decision on taking up such fight then it wont really be
putting up the risks in regarding his stats if ever he losses this one but pretty much sure that Mayweather wont really be allowing for that loss to tarnish out his stats.
Even if its really that an exhibition then he wont really be liking with having that called "defeat" or "loss" on this one.Therefore, unlikely for this one to push on.
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October 09, 2023, 03:00:17 PM
#51
There's a rumors spreading that Pacquiao vs Mayweather 2 rematch will set to happen on May 2024 https://asianmma.com/manny-pacquiao-rumoured-to-be-rematching-floyd-mayweather-in-2024/

Pacquaio is always ready to fight Mayweather is so evasive for past couple of years. Do you think that this match up would really happen?

If this deal will be set and there's official contract that this fight would happen on speculated date for sure many boxing fans will get hype for seeing this two legendary will set another big match in boxing history.

I want this fight to happen and hope no other elements will stop this or Mayweather will agree to this deal so that we can see if Pacquaio could get a revenge or Mayweather can seal the long time discussion about who is the best boxer between him and Pacquaio.

Only Pacquiao fans ever believed Manny was better.  Mayweather never really ever got hit hard in his entire career.  Probably one of the best defensive boxers ever.  Look I don't like the man personally but when he stepped in the ring, the other side never had a shot.  And honestly at this point in theor careers it wouldn't matter anyway its more an exhibition anyway.  Both are old.
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October 09, 2023, 02:56:47 PM
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It is only a rumor so nothing is set on stone yet.  It is normal to have this kind of rumor especially these boxer had engaged in exhibition fights.  Assuming it is true, I don't think there is anything interesting in this fight anymore.  They are both retired boxer, their fight does not mean anything or have weight on the boxing council, whoever wins, it does not prove anything on their side all I can see is that this fight if ever happen only target its viewers' pocket.  The fight is for money not for legacy reason why I am not interested in this rumor at all.

Nevertheless it will still generate great revenue just like their first fight. I thinking that it could generate higher gross revenues if this fight is going to happen in the future as fans of both of them are still wanting to see them in the ring. But if this is a exhibition match then even if Manny won the record of Floyd will still be 50-0 and it won't blemish his records.

It will indeed generate great revenue since two legendary boxing it out once again.
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October 09, 2023, 01:39:04 PM
#49
Any other fighter yes the fight can happen for the right cash prize but for a determined Pacquaio hell  No!!!
I know how bad we all would love to see a rematch but against Pacquaio , his thinking twice and this would be team money teams worst wish  especially that Mayweather has that unbeaten run going and wouldn't want to lose it when his career is closely coming to an end and definitely wants to retire a champion!!!

This match up is currently just a rumor, right? But in any case, It think that this match is still exciting even though they are both in their 40s. I am just thinking of whether they are still on their shape to fight. About the money, I do think that this fight will be able to generate great revenue just like what they had from their last match.
Yes, so far this is just a rumour that has been circulating for some time now and we don't know if this is going to be happen or not. Really depends on Floyd as we all know that after fighting Manny, he didn't give him the rematch and then instead retire after a couple of fights if I'm not mistaken. But if he consider this fight, then I think it's for the money of course and it could be as just a exhibition match.

Nevertheless it will still generate great revenue just like their first fight. I thinking that it could generate higher gross revenues if this fight is going to happen in the future as fans of both of them are still wanting to see them in the ring. But if this is a exhibition match then even if Manny won the record of Floyd will still be 50-0 and it won't blemish his records.
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October 09, 2023, 12:20:55 PM
#48
When I saw this thread I thought: I'll wait a few more days to see if there will be any confirmation from a credible source as to whether this news is real or has any chance of becoming true in the future, but after a few days have passed without me seeing anything confirmation from some reliable source, so I conclude that it is just a rumor that will not happen, but also looking at the ages of these two fighters, I see that these fighters would hardly have the same performance as in the past, the guys are already on their way to old age , their lifestyle is no longer for fights and therefore the most they could do would be an exhibition moon, something that could even attract people to watch

but it wouldn't be a serious fight, also all fighters like to end their careers with victories, that's why in their case fighters Mayweather wouldn't accept a fight in which he would lose and have his reputation tarnished by defeat, so this fight won't go to happen. In any case, there are many fighters who will provide good fights and who are still young and can therefore continue to bring joy and excitement to boxing. There is no need to go looking for old fighters who were good fighters in the past, I think you need to know how to forget the past ( the retired fighters) and focus on the fighters of the present
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