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Quote from: haidil on August 27, 2021, 02:48:52 PM

Quote from: bitzizzix on August 27, 2021, 02:08:56 PM

I support him, because Manny is a real boxer and his defeat against Ugas yesterday was beyond Manny's expectation because he felt he could beat him and maybe that's what made him curious.
Manny's fight yesterday in my opinion was good and dominant in attack only because he is not young anymore so his hitting and speed is reduced, and besides his range due to Ugas is tall and big which makes it difficult for Manny to get clean strokes because yesterday he trained for months for Errol Spence Jr. .

this is purely my judgment and I think the rematch will turn things around, and he will prepare training for Ugas.

Regarding Manny's defeat, I think the defeat must be accepted by the supporters, where this time Manny wants to try to show it again and ask for a rematch. Is Ugas really above Manny's abilities or has Manny lost his lethal fist?
Please, if Ugas can agree, then when Ugas wins again, all parties really have to admit that Ugas is already above Manny in terms of his agility.

Supporters have accepted it already, in fact, they are suggesting that Manny should retire as he does not need to prove anything since he achieves the legendary status and is the only 8th division world champion, it's actually him who think he is not yet done and one more time, he wants to dance with Ugas.

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Quote from: bitzizzix on August 27, 2021, 02:08:56 PM

I support him, because Manny is a real boxer and his defeat against Ugas yesterday was beyond Manny's expectation because he felt he could beat him and maybe that's what made him curious.
Manny's fight yesterday in my opinion was good and dominant in attack only because he is not young anymore so his hitting and speed is reduced, and besides his range due to Ugas is tall and big which makes it difficult for Manny to get clean strokes because yesterday he trained for months for Errol Spence Jr. .

this is purely my judgment and I think the rematch will turn things around, and he will prepare training for Ugas.

Regarding Manny's defeat, I think the defeat must be accepted by the supporters, where this time Manny wants to try to show it again and ask for a rematch. Is Ugas really above Manny's abilities or has Manny lost his lethal fist?
Please, if Ugas can agree, then when Ugas wins again, all parties really have to admit that Ugas is already above Manny in terms of his agility.

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Quote from: stadus on August 27, 2021, 06:53:32 AM

Please post some updates and speculation regarding the fight so this thread will be more informative.

Dont really believe much about reasoning on why Pacquiao had lost the recent fight and it is just showing that he's really aging and performance do really been mainly affected.

They could really make a rematch but people for sure would expect the same scenario because it wasnt just a adjustment problem or issue because you can really see

on the previous fight that Ugas does really have the advantage when it comes to reach and also with that stamina and does have punching power.

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I support him, because Manny is a real boxer and his defeat against Ugas yesterday was beyond Manny's expectation because he felt he could beat him and maybe that's what made him curious.
Manny's fight yesterday in my opinion was good and dominant in attack only because he is not young anymore so his hitting and speed is reduced, and besides his range due to Ugas is tall and big which makes it difficult for Manny to get clean strokes because yesterday he trained for months for Errol Spence Jr. .

this is purely my judgment and I think the rematch will turn things around, and he will prepare training for Ugas.

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Pacquiao winning this supposed rematch means there should be a 3rd bout. He's aiming to get a seat in the national government, and if he wins that seat, he will be forced to retire from boxing and just focus on his politics. I'm not feeling quite sure about the rematch, though I must agree that he wasn't able to bring his 100% in the fight due to his out-of-sync footwork and movements around the ring. We all saw that, though I don't think there is much for him to prove after that match. Goes to show that even gods bleed and that even the best fighters falter sometimes. Still, 8-division title holder is still 8-division title holder, and it's time to leave the gloves hanging and focus on something else. 2 decades being at the top is, IMO, extremely impressive for a sport like boxing.

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Quote from: Cling18 on August 27, 2021, 10:04:17 AM

Pacquiao should admit that his strength isn't the same as when he was younger. Things are different now that he's getting older. As for me, it's better for him to retire and just focus on his family as well as his plans to run for the presidency. He isn't getting any younger so I guess he should give chance to new boxers to make their own names in the industry.

Pacquiao's performance on his recent fight with Yordenis Ugas shows that his strength was not like his old kind of strength compared to his known strength inside in the boxing ring. Also the speed of Pacquiao seems decreased and this might could be because of his age. I think it is also a sign for him to retire from his number 1 career not because he could focus on his new career as a politician but because he aged already and need to take care his health.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on August 27, 2021, 11:08:50 AM

... I don't think Manny want to lose and get punched only to get money, we all know his reputation and histories is more bigger than just money.

The circumstances have changed since he's still just a boxer. We all know he's a high ranking politician and I also read that he's planning to run for the highest position in his country next year. You have to wonder why he's going to fight again of all times. He needs more money for his political campaign for sure.

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According to scorecard about their latest match the decision was 115-113, 116-112 twice for Ugas, which means Ugas was dominating the fights. Although Manny said he have problem about his leg so can't perform 100%, but I don't think it's really that major change for the next match (if the rematch come true) because every player with whatever situation they faced they always force them to fight with his all limit. I don't think Manny want to lose and get punched only to get money, we all know his reputation and histories is more bigger than just money.

Again if there's a rematch, I bet Ugas still win with Majority or Split decision or even draw.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on August 27, 2021, 07:11:54 AM

Quote from: stadus on August 27, 2021, 06:53:32 AM

He wants to fight because he thinks he was not able to give his 100% in that fight, his legs were tight so he was not able to move well like he usually do in his previous fight, and we all witness that, so maybe let's give him a chance.

C'mon man! As you grow older, your legs will be tight most of the time Grin

Cannot give 100% is because he is old, and the percentage will drop along with the increased age. Last fight he gave perhaps 85%, surely next fight will be 80%, and keep decreasing.

Anyway, it's not only about the legs, but his speed is just not there anymore. I doubt this match will be realized. The only good thing about Pacman is that he didn't receive enough damage that lead to injury, he should retire while still healthy.

This is quite reasonable. As one gets older, there must be things that decrease in a person, boxers are the same, the body quickly weakens, vision is not as clear as an eagle, agility is not as fast as a tiger catches a deer, stamina decreases. not fit like when he was younger. Body stability is the most important thing. Age made him unproductive and allowed boxing to be continued by those who were still young at heart as his successors.

Manny has to save his health for next year's election, so he really won't be 100% physically, but mentally there will also be a slight change, it's just that we can't see clearly. The age factor chooses a fairly proven influence.

from me, TOP 2 thumbs up for Ugas so far.

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Let him fight and be knocked down hehe. Ugas will be more confident next time they meet and could unload more punches.

Quote from: bisdak40 on August 27, 2021, 09:41:11 AM

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IMO, Manny is so desperate to add more popularity to his name because of his political ambition.

It's either this or that he doesn't want to end his career in a loss. I think he really needs the money and more fame for his politics that's why he's considering a rematch again. I also brought this up in the thread when they first fought.

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Quote from: Sanitough on August 27, 2021, 08:12:01 AM

I believe it's not about the upcoming election, he is very popular already and a loss does not help him. He already made money and according to the news, he made half a billion pesos in that fight, so IMO, it's enough to fund his campaign and if he fights again, that's another bonus plus a claim to avenge his loss.

Well, this is just my unpopular opinion but from the recent interview on a local news he's that certain he'd maybe want to run for presidency or vice presidency and that's a huge feat, he even made an agenda on that. Well, I might be wrong though.

Quote from: acroman08 on August 27, 2021, 08:53:02 AM

what I think is that he is trying to make money as much as possible before he finally retires. him winning a match against Ugas wouldn't help him get votes(he might get some but it wouldn't really matter) from people but him fighting on a rematch would make him richer.

He already amassed that much Manny and it can be seen on his luxurious lifestyle right now. I think it's about making a win as well before he retires, it may be about the glory that he can still fight even at this age. That might be he's what trying to prove.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on August 27, 2021, 09:51:10 AM

I lose my bet on their fight and though I believe that Manny may have suffered a leg cramp but I'm not anymore confident on betting on him to win the match. However, I might change my mind if Manny will be listed as the underdog and I find it attractive to put money.

In my mind now, I believe he could win or he could lose, it's 50/50 chances for me, and I also believe that the rematch is better than the first fight.

You won't be able to win back your previous loss if you will not bet again, lol. Anyway, what matters is what you feel, don't force yourself in betting a fight that you are not 100% confident in, it will haunt you when you lose. Manny Pacquiao is an old man but a legend, and as long as he can accept punishment from his opponent, he would still go for a fight since he makes millions of dollars in every fight, but if he loses in a rematch, there's no reason for him to fight again.

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Pacquiao should admit that his strength isn't the same as when he was younger. Things are different now that he's getting older. As for me, it's better for him to retire and just focus on his family as well as his plans to run for the presidency. He isn't getting any younger so I guess he should give chance to new boxers to make their own names in the industry.

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I lose my bet on their fight and though I believe that Manny may have suffered a leg cramp but I'm not anymore confident on betting on him to win the match. However, I might change my mind if Manny will be listed as the underdog and I find it attractive to put money.

In my mind now, I believe he could win or he could lose, it's 50/50 chances for me, and I also believe that the rematch is better than the first fight.

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Okay, let's not going to crucify Manny for not retiring in this time of his career. Let's give him another shot at this. After all he himself knew how much is left in his tank.
Let's give another chance for the Pacman to show his 100% from his body conditioning down to familiarizing his opponent.
This as well will justify Ugas win against a less than 100% Pacquiao, as he (Pacquiao) said his legs were tight and cannot move. Well, we can't deny that Manny lost his footwork during the fight.

So, I support Manny and Ugas to have a rematch. They gave us an unexpected good fight anyway. The 2nd time might be much better.

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Damn, what the hell Manny is thinking. Seems like he is fooling his fans this time. Father time has already caught up with him, very evident on that Ugas fight, he can't avoid those slow punches that Ugas threw. His excuse why he had a hard time moving is he have cramps but Ugas was also not a hundred percent that time so if a rematch would take place then the result would still be the same.

IMO, Manny is so desperate to add more popularity to his name because of his political ambition. He knows that his political career is on the downhill since the time he took a swipe at the sitting President. He may think that boxing could save his ass but he is so damn wrong.

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I, love Pacquiao's way of hitting I'm also a Pacquiao fan, maybe almost all the ring matches I don't miss even though I fall asleep while watching.

Pacquiao and Ugas, are far away like the Stars and Moons, why not, Pacquiao's age is currently 42 years old while Ugas is 35 years old, Is this a balanced opponent of course you have to ask one from the Philippines and the other a Cuban boxer even though he's now in America, he's a defector.

From body posture must also be questioned but this seems to be a top opponent to overthrow one of their careers.

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Even though Manny is in our pride I guess its too much fight for him because at the first place he is one of the senators in the Philippines and it's his responsibility to serve the country the Pacquiao era is already done they already got a new champion even Ugas to give his respect to the legendary fighter, but I guess there's a chance because we know that there's a lot of money involve if we are talking about an international fight and it's a legendary boxer.

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on August 27, 2021, 08:03:48 AM

Well, I think and this is just my opinion, Manny just want to make his name becomes popular just because the election campaign was about to start that timeframe.

what I think is that he is trying to make money as much as possible before he finally retires. him winning a match against Ugas wouldn't help him get votes(he might get some but it wouldn't really matter) from people but him fighting on a rematch would make him richer.

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Quote from: Jating on August 27, 2021, 08:22:11 AM

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Well, I think and this is just my opinion, Manny just want to make his name becomes popular just because the election campaign was about to start that timeframe. I think he should have made his decision already on the retiring process, he just need to realize that his body isn't the same as his prime.

I believe it's not about the upcoming election, he is very popular already and a loss does not help him. He already made money and according to the news, he made half a billion pesos in that fight, so IMO, it's enough to fund his campaign and if he fights again, that's another bonus plus a claim to avenge his loss.

I agree, it doesn't mean a thing about the election though. I mean he is already popular and I don't see him coming back and by chance winning will also increase his chance of winning the presidential race. One reason I can think of is that he wanted to avenge his loss simply as that because he knows he can perform better if not for the leg cramps he he suffer (excuse???). So let's see if this is true that he wanted to have a rematch and Ugas wanted to give it to him.

A rematch is a chance for him to prove how far can he still go, I'm sure if he loses in the rematch and he does not have any excuse, then it will already convince him that he is really to retire in boxing and let the young champions rule the division. The good thing is, we don't need to wait longer, accordingly, he will fight next year in January, so most probably after weeks of rest, he will start training again for the rematch.

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