Topic: Paper can easily get ruined, fast. - page 2. (Read 493 times)

Natural disaster can affect seed phrase written in a book. But if you can still keep the seed phrase safe just the way you value your certificates,  I think it will be safe. Sometimes what makes us lose our seed phrase is carelessness by not keeping it in a proper place.

One day, a piece of some heavy substance that falls on the head, or an accidental but strong enough blow to the head, completely knocks out all the information about seed phrases and, in general, about one's own name. As a result, relying on one's own strength is such an occupation.
It has already been advised many times how to save your seed phrases. I think you should not invent a bicycle. Special paranoid agents can be advised to use all the methods at once in case of any catastrophe, including an alien attack.

What you thought you have memorized and knew for years can still be forgotten. Haven't that happened to you before? It has happened to me. I was surprised that I forgot my highschool anthem after many years that I finished from the school. That is just one example, there are many. If you check my posts on this thread, the memorization I am talking about should be the fourth backup while not depending on it. The best are offline backups.

Memorizing the seed phrase will be okay if the person is really good in memorization.
For the seed being placed on any devices/documents/websites, I think it will be good to encrypt it rather than just putting the exact same words. Still both of these will not work for everyone, so I think people should stick on how can they properly manage to store their seeds.

Writing your seed phrase on paper is the simplest method of safeguarding your crypto. It’s old school but it beats storing you keys on digital notes. Make different copies of your seed phrase and store in different locations. This might be interesting, Coinsutra.com in their article listed Stonebook Notebook as one of the most secure ways to  store Cryptocurrency Seed Words. There are other options one might try like storing your phrase in crossword puzzles, or like @Iroh memorizing your seeds. The problem with this two options is that it will be difficult upon for the family to figure out the phrase upon the death of the owner. Engraving your seed phrases on metal steel seems excessive to me though it may appeal to certain people. I would strongly recommend the stonebook approach as it is more secure and somewhat durable

But what about natural disasters? It can affect large areas in a way even if the seed phrase is backup in different locations, the whole house and many other houses can be distroyed and everything is lost. It is not good to depend on memory, but there can be sometimes that it can be helpful. Have offline backups on papers in different locations is advisable, that is true, but what can be done if natural disasters like earthquake or flooding occur in a way someone's home is affected, property destroyed and the three seed phrase in different locations all got lost?

Assuming someone is in Pakistan when that flooding began?

Mistake can happen in a way the one seed phrase backup would be lost? At least, have two backups or three. The second or third can even be inside the wall of your house to be the last thing to do if the first seed phrase is lost. Another one can be inside your mattress in a way you can loose the mattress cloth, cut the mattress foam with a blade and insert the seed phrase paper backup, gum the mattress foam back with glue in a way the seed phrase is not affected and sole back the cloth. Another is a paper at your backyard buried under the sand in a very small metallic box. There are many ways you can think to backup seed phrase differently that it would be difficult for anyone to see it. But which may not resist natural disaster.

Cloud backup sites tend to be secure, and therefore in some sense safer than storing them on your own local computer. That said, I would still recommend storing your important documents and sensitive information on a physical device instead of in the cloud. To be extra safe, you can keep multiple copies in different locations. That way, if something happens to your cloud storage provider or the server that holds your data, you won't lose everything. As with any online service, there is always a chance that the company could go out of business or be hacked. It is also worth noting that some online backup services are more secure than others. And, it is also important to note that sensitive data should never be stored in digital format unless it is encrypted.

In the modern age, where people are so connected via the internet, it can sometimes be difficult to control who has access to your information and what they are able to do with it. Unfortunately, as is all too obvious from recent events, this also means that security becomes a key concern. The truth is that hackers are always looking for new ways to get data, and we all have to be cautious about protecting our sensitive information.

You can purchase steel Bitcoin seed storage; or if you want to go for something cheaper, you can simply purchase steel sheets and just go stamp in the words/numbers.

Jameson Lopp has made stress tests on steel seed storages available for purchase: https://jlopp.github.io/metal-bitcoin-storage-reviews/

You can use something like this: https://www.amazon.com/Mnemonic-Metal-Private-Keys-Disassembled/dp/B08CRCBGXY

Maybe you never hear about Stonebook, a paper which have water and tear resistant


the material is different with other paper (pulp), Stonebook is a mixture from stone pulp. so it's strong enough. But still, Nothing is perfect, not so fireproof.

And, human error is one of the biggest mistakes in the world. It's useless if you keep mnemonic seeds in the safest storage in the world if still careless.

And that is why storage like this one was developed:

https://cryptosteel.com/

Or better yet, I would suggest you read this thread by @OcTradism, Store your bitcoin seed / private key safely (Water, Fire, Shock-proof).

Or just used your imagination on how and where to put your seed and it is also not easily be readable by ordinary people.

And I would agree that paper is really not good to put your back up seed, recently I have this accident that I spill water on one of my books that has the seed in it. Fortunately I have a lot of places that I put my seed so I was able to recover those easy.

Scrub it or carve it on steel, could be stainless steel they are easier to carve something on.

If your house will get crushed by big flood, you might lose even a seed stamped on on steel sheets, because it would be carried by water. Worst case, someone else will find it take all your coins. Similarly, if your house burns down, you might be able unable to find a steel plate, because there will be too much debris. Again, worst case - you won't be the first person to discover your seed. So in some way the ease of destruction is a feature. Or if your house is about to be raided by armed people - you can eat or burn a piece of paper, but you can't do anything to a steel plate.

 
This might be a good idea and I have seen many people recommend it which means many people do it. But I have this feeling that something that is saved more than one place is no longer safe.
You could forget one of the places you saved it or saving it more than one place will increase the chances of it being exposed.

Besides, a secret shared to one or two persons is no longer a secret.
I'll recommend that you find one secure location or means and save it, your mind will always be there and you will not lose it.
People from the Christian background will know this statement "Where ever your wealth is, there will your mind be"

This your method looks very risky and if we store our private keys in this form then we might lost it if our gadgets like phones or computer get hacked. We know that hacking of wallets is one of the ways many investors had lost there funds because of carelessness or lack of adequate info on how to protect there wallets from hackers.

I have seen so many ways we can protect our private keys from getting destroyed either by water or fire in that eventually occurs. There are tools and gadgets that are water resistant we can store or write our keys on that could make it safer from natural disasters or hackers.

Dod you ever came across a video where this guy make a back up of his wallet on a metal if you want to know how would you keep your seed phrase safe from disaster such as fire, floods but if there's not much disaster then using paper to write it won't be a problem and it's much better if you laminate the paper to make it much durable compared to paper only to write your wallet information. I have done the same thing where I wrote it on a piece of paper then laminated the paper.

Yea, paper can destroy and happen anything. If you have just one copy then you would lose your funds. Your device and paper that you wrote seed destroyed for any reason mean everything is gone. I don't think we memorize seed phrases anyway. The best practice is to keep it in safe places and not only a single copy. All the important seeds should have multiple copies, so all shouldn't be destroyed at once.

I must admit, committing the seed phase to memory isn’t really ideal as one can always mix them up.
Personally, I prefer not to write and store  passwords and important notes on paper

There are different ways you can secure your seed phrase. this are some of the ways you can also keep your seed phrase in very secure and safe place. Click and see more https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/securing-your-seed-phrase-with-washers-5389446, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-best-to-secure-your-private-keys-andor-seed-phrase-5211880, and this for basically on paper wallet https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/paper-wallet-a-poor-practice-and-risky-5383839


Laminating paper wallet can not guarantee its safety. Laminating it might keep it longer than usual. Even the laminating paper washed out. I have laminated a National ID card because the original one has not came out, but after some months I discovered that the write on the ID card were fade and when I asked someone told me that the heat that is inside the paper did. That is when I came to understand that laminating is not the best option of a document safety. Since there is no best to secure paper wallet, you just have to duplicate it and keep it in different place like rooms and houses.

Many own land properties, school certificate, car ownership, and many other things in our names that the proof are on a piece of paper or pages of papers. They can still get demolished by lots of factor regardless we still try our own personal best to keep them safe. Why is writing down your seed phase on a sheet of paper sounds like it's never been done before.

Well what I personally do I not writing them on just a piece of paper alone, I have several places I have written it down in different locations I can assess and no one else can decipher. Multiple options can help reduce the risk your fear.