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Quote from: LoyceV on December 05, 2023, 02:49:17 AM

The money is literally waiting in a Bitcoin address.

it's certainly possible the private key has been lost.

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That's the real tricky part indeed. You'll either have to find the exploit in the source, or find many more victims who claim the same thing.

there doesn't have to be any exploits in the source. if people are dumb enough to create their private keys online using some website then that website could be using legitimate software but just storing a copy for themself. that's all it would take. could never be proven. no exploit in the source. so the only way something could be proven is circumstantially in that alot of people claim the same thing and a judge buys their argument.

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Quote from: larry_vw_1955 on December 05, 2023, 12:48:58 AM

there's always the risk that the defendant is judgement proof.

The money is literally waiting in a Bitcoin address.

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innocent until proven guilty and i would imagine it is not easy to prove.

That's the real tricky part indeed. You'll either have to find the exploit in the source, or find many more victims who claim the same thing.

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Quote from: LoyceV on December 02, 2023, 02:37:34 AM

It's a long shot, but unless you want to go after the scam site owner on your own, it's the only chance to get back the coins.

if they live in the same country as you then you could bring a lawsuit against them i suppose. but lawsuits cost money. unless you are your own lawyer (small claims court?) and even then it would cost you money to file and maybe travel to the defendants jurisdiction. all over 1 bitcoin. and in small claims you can't get more than $5000 or so i heard. so you might have to settle for that. or be eaten alive by some lawyer. plus there's always the risk that the defendant is judgement proof. so you have to do some due diligence unless you just like wasting money.

no one is going to throw anyone in jail here in the usa because someone says someone stole their bitcoin. a court would have to make a determination on that. complaining to police is going to do zero except maybe be a scare tactic. innocent until proven guilty and i would imagine it is not easy to prove.

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Quote from: larry_vw_1955 on December 01, 2023, 06:58:03 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on December 01, 2023, 07:23:37 AM

Have you reported the theft to your local police, as suggested before? If they ever take down the owner of the site, it might be useful to have a paper trail.

does that really do any good?

It's a long shot, but unless you want to go after the scam site owner on your own, it's the only chance to get back the coins.

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Quote from: LoyceV on December 01, 2023, 07:23:37 AM

I don't think it's lost. You used a (known) scam site to create a paper wallet. The site owner most likely has access, but it looks like he's just HODLing your coins. He's probably not in a rush to cash out, which might compromise his own identity (and get him caught).

or he might have just lost the private key.

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Have you reported the theft to your local police, as suggested before? If they ever take down the owner of the site, it might be useful to have a paper trail.

does that really do any good? local police are more concerned with homicides and things like that. and generating revenue for the department through writing tickets. and throwing people in jail. (locals). busting people for drugs stuff like that.

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Quote from: jorro-ts on December 01, 2023, 06:20:20 AM

i just came back to say that my single bitcoin is still on that transferred adress. No one touched it since 2019 and i have a feeling it is lost for humanity

I don't think it's lost. You used a (known) scam site to create a paper wallet. The site owner most likely has access, but it looks like he's just HODLing your coins. He's probably not in a rush to cash out, which might compromise his own identity (and get him caught).

Have you reported the theft to your local police, as suggested before? If they ever take down the owner of the site, it might be useful to have a paper trail.

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Quote from: jorro-ts on December 01, 2023, 06:20:20 AM

hEEEEEEY Everyone! is this forum is still alive actually? i just came back to say that my single bitcoin is still on that transferred adress. No one touched it since 2019 and i have a feeling it is lost for humanity

The forum is very much active, it's just there's no known solution and there is nothing else to add to this thread.
Unfortunately, even the developers cannot help you with recovering the allegedly stolen bitcoins.

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hEEEEEEY Everyone! is this forum is still alive actually? i just came back to say that my single bitcoin is still on that transferred adress. No one touched it since 2019 and i have a feeling it is lost for humanity

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In my opinion it is impossible that somebody stole your BTC if you generate an address offline and then reset the computer before going online again. Or am I missing here something?
The only option I could think of is a fake software that gives you a preset public/private key that the scammer already knows before. But that also doesn't seem likely since there are no reports of more of these incidents on this website.

So maybe you accidentally swept the wallet while try to check for the balance?

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Quote from: jorro-ts on April 18, 2022, 09:07:42 AM

-snip- what if you sweep it?

Others call it "import" but instead of import, "sweep" will automatically send the funds to one of the wallet's address.

Or the other way to read it?:

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Quote from: nc50lc on April 17, 2022, 10:09:02 PM

BTW, Bitcoin is non-custodial and decentralized - your funds is in your control and there's no central authority that manages bitcoins.
So, even the developers can't refund your bitcoins.

i havent touched it since i made a transfer to the adress.
but jokes aside, what if you sweep it?

Everyone who told you that it's not recoverable is a suspect, eh? :-X
With that reply, I think you get that I'm considering a possibility that the actual issue is: you might have sent it accidentally to an unrecoverable address and looking for some sort of Bitcoin "authority" to refund it.
If not, then the second and third posts are still the best answers.

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Quote from: nc50lc on April 17, 2022, 10:09:02 PM

Quote from: jorro-ts on April 17, 2022, 10:12:37 AM

Here after 2 years, and still no activity on frauds adress Cry

Looks like the culprit is a dedicated (stolen) BTC hodler, probably waiting for bitcoin to reach the moon.

Jokes aside, have you ever tried to "sweep" it to another wallet?
Because that's one way that it could be sent to another address which belongs to the wallet where you perform sweep.

BTW, Bitcoin is non-custodial and decentralized - your funds is in your control and there's no central authority that manages bitcoins.
So, even the developers can't refund your bitcoins.

i havent touched it since i made a transfer to the adress.
but jokes aside, what if you sweep it?

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so in december 2018, he transfers 1 btc to a paper wallet. then 6 months later, it is transferred out to another address.

you have to be careful about how you create bitcoin addresses especially if it involves sums as large as 1 btc. Shocked

you also have to be careful about how you store your private key. either of those could be the reason he list his bitcoin.

the person that stole it might not need the money and maybe have put it on the backburner for a while. not unheard of.

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Quote from: jorro-ts on April 17, 2022, 10:12:37 AM

Here after 2 years, and still no activity on frauds adress :'(

Looks like the culprit is a dedicated (stolen) BTC hodler, probably waiting for bitcoin to reach the moon.

Jokes aside, have you ever tried to "sweep" it to another wallet?
Because that's one way that it could be sent to another address which belongs to the wallet where you perform sweep.

BTW, Bitcoin is non-custodial and decentralized - your funds is in your control and there's no central authority that manages bitcoins.
So, even the developers can't refund your bitcoins.

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Here after 2 years, and still no activity on frauds adress Cry

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Quote from: Chlotide on December 19, 2020, 03:33:03 PM

Quote from: jorro-ts on December 19, 2020, 12:44:16 PM

btc is 24000 and my precious siongle one is still untouched
crying

Which address is yours after all?
1CtmmUkxEbQ8nsa2XFSKy7bo5XmBxYFP5n or 16D87eBeWvMAghsDaJYAo8QKo3GfFpsTe2

If you've read the entire thread, it's 1CtmmUkxEbQ8nsa2XFSKy7bo5XmBxYFP5n
and he's wondering why the owner of 16D87eBeWvMAghsDaJYAo8QKo3GfFpsTe2 never spent it even though BTC reached $24,000 price.

@Chlotide No one can tell what's happening unless that address is written somewhere on an online account or user, because it's only used to receive once.

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Quote from: jorro-ts on December 19, 2020, 12:44:16 PM

btc is 24000 and my precious siongle one is still untouched
crying

Which address is yours after all?
1CtmmUkxEbQ8nsa2XFSKy7bo5XmBxYFP5n or 16D87eBeWvMAghsDaJYAo8QKo3GfFpsTe2

Btw, seems that website was a bad pick.
https://www.coindesk.com/researcher-discovers-serious-vulnerability-in-paper-crypto-wallet-website
Surprised funds still there

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btc is 24000 and my precious siongle one is still untouched
crying

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Perhaps it would be useful to set a time lock to prevent someone from spending your coins before you want. Could the attacker come to know it and get around this obstacle?

If he has the private key, he can simply sign another transaction without locktime and broadcast that one instead.. ?

I don't know of any wallets that lock "adresses" or private keys rather, from spending funds, as that's just not possible, AFAIK.
(Since the attacker could simply export the private key into his own wallet & broadcast.)

What I thought was a way to freeze a specific tx, not the private key, in the OP's case blocking the 1 btc transaction he made from being spent.
I don't know if it's possible or if it ever will be, I'm willing to learn.

If this could ever be done then the Bitcoin project would be over, Censorship resistance is one of Bitcoins main qualities if not the main one.

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Quote from: Chris! on July 13, 2019, 02:34:38 PM

@OP I can teach you how to properly secure your funds. We can do it here or if you'd like you can PM me.

Paper wallets can be the absolute best option for long term storage if you do it right. Hardware wallets, however, constantly have vulnerabilities found out. Don't believe me. Go ahead and Google "hardware wallet vulnerability". You'll notice that the vulnerabilities have come out over many years and fresh ones have just been found out. They're obviously not properly tested, other than of course the general public buying them and reporting vulnerabilities.

Don't blindly trust third parties (hardware wallet manufacturers) because of this mishap. Learn from it, change your method accordingly and sleep easy knowing you'll never have to worry about your funds being stolen again.

I think the problem stems from the bad site the paper wallet was generated on. So, as long as the site is trustworthy or the person just uses the original GitHub code, it should be safe.
I agree with Chris that trusting a third party is risky. Let's say something happened to your hardware wallet, you lost it, dropped it in the Ocean, crushed it with your car, use your imagination. You buy another one and use the same pin? Well, if the hardware wallet company went out of business, you are screwed.
Trusting a third party is against the very soul of decentralization, I don't understand why people keep pushing hardware wallets.

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jorro-ts, it is possible that whoever came into possession of your coins does not know how to cash them safely, or it is someone who has a large amount of coins and is simply waiting for the price to go up. In most cases, things like this don't happen, so it's a little weird that the coins haven't moved yet.

If you haven't already, report that address to all most popular crypto exchanges, so if hacker is not smart and send directly to some exchange, you have at least some chance of getting back your coins. The problem will certainly be to prove that the coins were stolen, signing the message from hacked address doesn't make any sense because the private key is compromised.

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