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Topic: 🐳 PARADICE.TO 🌴 (Dice,Lottery,JP's,Loyality,Investing,Referrals and MORE!) - page 18. (Read 20252 times)

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Activity: 182
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I just deposited 0.015 and withdrawed 0.02, I don't think there is any problem...

Yes, you have not problem because you are alt acc paradice.io Grin

We started to think that  we should pay you for bumping our thread Smiley

I think you should close this scam site.

How can you even just suddenly come to that conclusion? I don't have any interest in paradice, but I don't think this is the right move. Paradice came out of the scam accusation without doubt against them, the guy MafiaCoins is the one wrong here. He is also giving so much fuss about 8mBTC! That's such a small amount, I don't think paradice would not risk their site for just a small amount. I think it cost more than 8mBTC to even buy hosting!

I'm right.
Does not mean 8mBTC.. What will happen if will my depost 0.5 btc for example? This is fact of scam
hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 528
I just deposited 0.015 and withdrawed 0.02, I don't think there is any problem...

Yes, you have not problem because you are alt acc paradice.io Grin

We started to think that  we should pay you for bumping our thread Smiley

I think you should close this scam site.

How can you even just suddenly come to that conclusion? I don't have any interest in paradice, but I don't think this is the right move. Paradice came out of the scam accusation without doubt against them, the guy MafiaCoins is the one wrong here. He is also giving so much fuss about 8mBTC! That's such a small amount, I don't think paradice would not risk their site for just a small amount. I think it cost more than 8mBTC to even buy hosting!

But why his alt sarul didn't got -ve yet for abusing a someone with multiple accounts on this forum.
I don't think it's good for any starting business for anyone what do you think ?


EDIT : SARUL account on this forum is the ALT of MafiaCoin


Tit for tat Cheesy
hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 506
I just deposited 0.015 and withdrawed 0.02, I don't think there is any problem...

Yes, you have not problem because you are alt acc paradice.io Grin

We started to think that  we should pay you for bumping our thread Smiley

I think you should close this scam site.

How can you even just suddenly come to that conclusion? I don't have any interest in paradice, but I don't think this is the right move. Paradice came out of the scam accusation without doubt against them, the guy MafiaCoins is the one wrong here. He is also giving so much fuss about 8mBTC! That's such a small amount, I don't think paradice would not risk their site for just a small amount. I think it cost more than 8mBTC to even buy hosting!
member
Activity: 69
Merit: 10
I just deposited 0.015 and withdrawed 0.02, I don't think there is any problem...

Yes, you have not problem because you are alt acc paradice.io Grin

We started to think that  we should pay you for bumping our thread Smiley

I think you should close this scam site.
full member
Activity: 160
Merit: 100
I just deposited 0.015 and withdrawed 0.02, I don't think there is any problem...

Yes, you have not problem because you are alt acc paradice.io Grin

We started to think that  we should pay you for bumping our thread Smiley
full member
Activity: 182
Merit: 100
I just deposited 0.015 and withdrawed 0.02, I don't think there is any problem...

Yes, you have not problem because you are alt acc paradice.io Grin
member
Activity: 126
Merit: 10
I just deposited 0.015 and withdrawed 0.02, I don't think there is any problem...
full member
Activity: 182
Merit: 100
I yesterday won 0.07491BTC
I can't withdraw too..

Today I visited site and see my account deleted!!! balance is zero!
SCAM!


Shit! This paradice.io don't pay not only me!

Why do you play here?
I posted about scam here!
full member
Activity: 182
Merit: 100
Coindice - the script that Paradice is built upon - generates the number fairly in the sense that it's randomly chosen and not biased. It's provably fair at the hash level - the player's roll is the same as the roll that the site provides the hash of - but it's not provably fair at the RNG level. The admin could theoretically edit the code so that it generates biased results and players wouldn't know or be able to do anything about it (due to the lack of a client seed). However, it's unlikely that Paradice (or any other site) would do anything like that - such a system implemented without great care could make a site more vulnerable to potential exploits - and I'm pretty sure there's no scam going on here, at least with the rolls. MafiaCoin's 'proof' post makes no sense - at best he just has no idea how it works, at worst he's just trying to cause trouble.

However, while it's unlikely that the site is cheating, personally I'd advise steering clear of paradice unless they implement a true provably fair system with a client seed option and rework their rules. A 'one account per user' rule on a Coindice-based site - where users are likely to accidentally create multiple accounts due to the automatic generation of them - is suspicious and could be used as an excuse to withhold legitimate withdrawals, and the same goes for a horribly vague rule like 'don't faucet farm' rather than having specific limitations on the use of the faucet.

I know how it works sha256-512 and provably fair!

I catch, he change seed. If use big amount, every bet lost and use fake seed.
Do you want try this shit provably system with bets 0.05btc and more?
I placed bets and he give fake seed.. After remove my account!

SHA of seed before bet and after is different!
SCAM
member
Activity: 117
Merit: 100
Coindice - the script that Paradice is built upon - generates the number fairly in the sense that it's randomly chosen and not biased. It's provably fair at the hash level - the player's roll is the same as the roll that the site provides the hash of - but it's not provably fair at the RNG level. The admin could theoretically edit the code so that it generates biased results and players wouldn't know or be able to do anything about it (due to the lack of a client seed). However, it's unlikely that Paradice (or any other site) would do anything like that - such a system implemented without great care could make a site more vulnerable to potential exploits - and I'm pretty sure there's no scam going on here, at least with the rolls. MafiaCoin's 'proof' post makes no sense - at best he just has no idea how it works, at worst he's just trying to cause trouble.

However, while it's unlikely that the site is cheating, personally I'd advise steering clear of paradice unless they implement a true provably fair system with a client seed option and rework their rules. A 'one account per user' rule on a Coindice-based site - where users are likely to accidentally create multiple accounts due to the automatic generation of them - is suspicious and could be used as an excuse to withhold legitimate withdrawals, and the same goes for a horribly vague rule like 'don't faucet farm' rather than having specific limitations on the use of the faucet.
legendary
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Merit: 1723
The way this site processes their provably fair system is a little different however

Using http://www.xorbin.com/tools/sha256-hash-calculator

Last Bet:

Server Seed sha256:

5fd2ddf0535d8d60cb3d6f19f9a7eec8cf8211fa2ea75e902a730b5c1f7c6a91

Server Seed:

cM641efQW5kDjWdBjR3Dv933GO-57.99193000000000353111317963339388


The sha256 is given BEFORE you roll. So you know that the winning number was going to be 57.99

This is no different then Primedice or other website out there. EVERY CASINO KNOWS THE RESULTS BEFORE THE ROLL TAKES PLACE... only the gambler doesn't know the roll until after the roll is done.

I don't see anything wrong here.


legendary
Activity: 3066
Merit: 1312
Seems that we need rhavar or NLNico who are the master of provably fair system to check the provably fair system of paradice. Once there is a review of someone who are expert on it then we will know the fact. Hoping one of them come to this thread and give a review.
full member
Activity: 140
Merit: 100
I yesterday won 0.07491BTC
I can't withdraw too..

Today I visited site and see my account deleted!!! balance is zero!
SCAM!
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1008
Quote from: MafiaCoin link=topic=1844659.msg18750825#msg18

because he is cheater!!!
SCAM
He stole my deposit 0.0033[btc
You're lying! I just yesterday brought out 0,0038 btc and I have not had any problems. I watch it because once a week taking out the money. You order competitors?

Nahh, that is not the main problem here. Not just because you get your 0.0038 withdraw safely, does not make it provably fair system. And why should they scam your 0.0038 if there is more to scam. I do not know yet if this site is scam or not. Mafiacoin already told that it is not provably fair, need to check it forst before we can jump to the conclusion
legendary
Activity: 1442
Merit: 1025
I read all your long messages, what thing is clear, no one should gamble if they can't afford to lose.

I really don't understand the use of faucet, maybe for fun sometimes.

If you go to a real casino who  will give you free money every 5 minutes to try their slots?

Let's be serious
Yeah faucets are also standalone websites as well. They give people “free Money” (even tough its less than a cent probably) and in return they make money off ads. Well in casinos you attract people with that free money and hope that they will spend it on gambling. Plus if you get them hooked enough you get their money.
full member
Activity: 182
Merit: 100

You're lying! I just yesterday brought out 0,0038 btc and I have not had any problems. I watch it because once a week taking out the money. You order competitors?

see it
my deposit: https://blockchain.info/tx/5cc2130282a4584c80bb45bfbb56feeb5e7075f0410a3582adf7b49c9d8e0faa

after withdraw.. he post about doublespend.. this is shit!
balance added after 1 confirmation.

sr. member
Activity: 630
Merit: 272
"Unlike standard gaming sites which promise true randomness and third party review, we offer true fairness. Using simple cryptography we can 100percent prove not just promise that each roll is completely random and honest. Because at the end of the day, why trust people when you can trust numbers?"

What are you actually saying??   So I can trust you and your "Simple Cryptography" that isnt explained(must be too complicated) but you said also "why trust people"   weird..we cant trust numbers we cant see..read on
Also there is no way to actually verify past bets....IS there?
Theres no CLIENT SEED
Your "Server seed" changes every roll...so once it rolls again, i cant go back to verify anything but the current roll result
THAT IS NOT PROVABLY FAIR....
In your chat you made numerous references to Primedice...and "Unlike Primedice" this and that....Most likely the biggest, most used btc gaming site there is....Edward is like the Godfather..LOL
Youre ui looks ok, but the rest is SERIOUSLY flawed, and appears to be run by children...not by Pro's for sure...and not by anyone with credibility..sorry...off to a rough start guys...Get Gooder

because he is cheater!!!
SCAM
He stole my deposit 0.0033BTC
You're lying! I just yesterday brought out 0,0038 btc and I have not had any problems. I watch it because once a week taking out the money. You order competitors?
full member
Activity: 182
Merit: 100
I thought that mafia coin and his Alt " Sarul " Got permabanned already for spamming the forum and making false accusations.
Lauda also didn't take any strict action against his alt and on mafiacoin.


Are you stupid? This is not my account!
I don't spam, post fact only!
Paradice.io use fake seed and change it.. Stole money from players.
Need close this shit site.

Not only i said about.. Few case of scam.
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hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 528
I thought that mafia coin and his Alt " Sarul " Got permabanned already for spamming the forum and making false accusations.
Lauda also didn't take any strict action against his alt and on mafiacoin.
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