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Quote from: K8 Crypto on August 04, 2024, 06:34:30 PM

Typically, countries like the United States, China, and Russia (competing as Russian Olympic Committee in recent years due to doping sanctions) tend to be among the top medal winners at Summer Olympics. Other nations that often perform well include Great Britain, Japan, Australia, and Germany. Which countries you think will have the most medals at the Paris Olympics?

As far as the top is concerned, I think there's no question that it will be the United States. I have no doubt about it. So far in this current Olympics, the US is leading with 71 medals all in all. The second, China, is trailing behind with only 45. That's nearly half of what the US got.

The US is still the leading nation in terms of sports. The Olympics, being the largest sporting event in the world, has sufficiently proven that. The US will certainly be the number 1 this time around, just as it was the number 1 in Tokyo in 2020, in Rio in 2016, in London in 2012, and so on.

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Typically, countries like the United States, China, and Russia (competing as Russian Olympic Committee in recent years due to doping sanctions) tend to be among the top medal winners at Summer Olympics. Other nations that often perform well include Great Britain, Japan, Australia, and Germany. Which countries you think will have the most medals at the Paris Olympics?

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Quote from: TopTort777 on May 09, 2023, 03:44:08 AM

According to wiki, Men's teams are restricted to under-23 players (born on or after 1 January 2001) with a maximum of three overage players allowed, while there are no age restrictions on women's teams. So yes, it is going to be U-23 +3 senior teams only Grin

The reasons why Olympic football has age restriction is simple - if they would allow everyone to participate, it will lower the value of FIFA World Cup, and football would steal all attention from other sports. Maybe one of the reasons could be players peak form, just maybe. And I doubt that this is due to play-offs in other tournaments.

I don't know whether it was due to complaints from other sports that football will overshadow them. Primary reason, I guess was due to the concerns from European clubs, regarding the availability of their top players. But I like this setup. It still leaves the loophole of having 3 senior players in the team. So for example, it is possible to have Kylian Mbappé, Paul Pogba and Karim Benzema in the squad along with the younger players. My only issue is with different set of rules for both men's and women's competitions. Should have the same rules applicable for both the competitions.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on May 09, 2023, 03:44:08 AM

According to wiki, Men's teams are restricted to under-23 players (born on or after 1 January 2001) with a maximum of three overage players allowed, while there are no age restrictions on women's teams. So yes, it is going to be U-23 +3 senior teams only Grin

The reasons why Olympic football has age restriction is simple - if they would allow everyone to participate, it will lower the value of FIFA World Cup, and football would steal all attention from other sports. Maybe one of the reasons could be players peak form, just maybe. And I doubt that this is due to play-offs in other tournaments.

yep, i think that is the most appropriate reason why the age limit is set at the Olympics because it will reduce the value ^(spirit) of the world cup if the eleven players are free age.

this seems to be good news for Olympic female athletes....

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World Athletics has voted to ban transgender women from elite female competitions if they have undergone male puberty, in a decision the governing body said had been taken to “protect the future of the female category”.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/mar/23/world-athletics-council-excludes-transgender-women-from-female-events

In line with the news above, i am curious about what action the Minister of Sport France will take, so far she ^{(i don't understand what pronouns are lol)} has supported LGBT with all her might and her efforts have even intervened in France's national team players who are not in line with her wishes....

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🚨🏳️‍🌈 Amélie Oudéa-Castera, ministre des Sports, aimerait que des sanctions soient prises pour ceux qui refuseront à l’avenir de porter les maillots floqués aux couleurs LGBT :

« Je regrette vivement qu'on n'ait pas 100% des joueurs en France qui se retrouvent dans ce message de non discrimination. (…) Je pense qu'il est de la responsabilité des clubs, avec un dialogue avec leurs joueurs, de prendre des sanctions. En France, quand on a une opération qui est cadrée de cette façon, qui embarque tous les clubs sur un sujet basique de non discrimination, il faut être là. Je pense que c'est nécessaire. »

🚨🏳️‍🌈 Amélie Oudéa-Castera, Minister of Sports, would like sanctions to be taken for those who refuse to wear flocked jerseys in LGBT colors in the future:

“I deeply regret that we do not have 100% of the players in France who find themselves in this message of non-discrimination. (…) I think it is the responsibility of the clubs, with a dialogue with their players, to take sanctions. In France, when you have an operation that is framed in this way, which involves all the clubs on a basic subject of non-discrimination, you have to be there. I think it is necessary. »

[1] https://twitter.com/lnstantFoot/status/1657862434156077056

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According to wiki, Men's teams are restricted to under-23 players (born on or after 1 January 2001) with a maximum of three overage players allowed, while there are no age restrictions on women's teams. So yes, it is going to be U-23 +3 senior teams only Grin

The reasons why Olympic football has age restriction is simple - if they would allow everyone to participate, it will lower the value of FIFA World Cup, and football would steal all attention from other sports. Maybe one of the reasons could be players peak form, just maybe. And I doubt that this is due to play-offs in other tournaments.

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Quote from: Tumanggor on April 17, 2023, 11:50:14 AM

based on an interview with journalists, mbappe stated his readiness to join the France U-23 national team at the 2024 Olympics later (he is already 24 years old), but he is still waiting for approval from various parties (because he said his schedule was very tight on that date), as the host, France football is expected to be able to win a gold medal

At the last Tokyo Olympics 2020, Brazil won a gold medal and this time France has big ambitions at their home

Someone please correct me in case I am wrong. Football in summer Olympics is not a U-23 competition. The rule states that players need to be under 23 years of age, but exemption can be given to two players in the XI. Kylian Mbappé will be 25 years old when the next edition of the Olympics get going in Paris, but he can still represent France as a result of this loophole. But it is always good to see players prioritizing winning an Olympic medal for their country, over the club commitments. Still I am not sure whether those orcs at Paris Saint-Germain will be happy about his decision.

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based on an interview with journalists, mbappe stated his readiness to join the France U-23 national team at the 2024 Olympics later (he is already 24 years old), but he is still waiting for approval from various parties (because he said his schedule was very tight on that date), as the host, France football is expected to be able to win a gold medal

At the last Tokyo Olympics 2020, Brazil won a gold medal and this time France has big ambitions at their home

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I saw some news about the tickets

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Tony Estanguet and his team had set the bar a notch lower, with a target of 3 million tickets sold. The three-time Olympic canoe champion can keep smiling. “It is already the largest ever sale for a sport event in France, he explained. The objective has been reached. We have sold tickets in all sports, and this until the last sales slot.”

Source: https://www.francsjeux.com/2023/03/10/paris-2024-ticketing-is-a-new-record-in-france/90750

The first phase of ticket sales has already been completed and have broken records. It seems that they are very excited about the Olympics in Paris.
UK, USA, Germany and Netherlands are the countries that have bought the most tickets besides France.
The sports that have sold the most tickets so far are soccer, athletics, rugby, basketball and volleyball.

Very good to see that they are selling well, and will probably sell out all tickets, because France is a well-located country, close to many other countries in Europe, and with good infrastructure.

Is anyone here thinking of attending any of the events?
I can't wait for the Olympics to start so I can place my bets, I will bet on soccer, skateboarding and surfing.

many prospective Olympic spectators think ticket prices are quite expensive.

[1] https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1134427/paris-2024-ticket-price-survey
[2] https://selangorjournal.my/2023/03/over-80-pct-of-french-say-tickets-for-paris-2024-olympics-too-expensive-survey/

but the committee doesn't care about that;

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The prices for tickets for the matches and the opening ceremony for the 2024 Paris Olympics have been widely protested by French citizens because they are considered too expensive. However, the committee actually didn't care because according to the Chairperson of the Paris Olympic Committee, Tony Estanguet, the price was reasonable considering that the event was a sports party that might happen once in a lifetime.

So far, it has been reported that the organizers have managed to sell 3.25 million tickets over the past month, or about a third of the total, but the announcement was overshadowed by criticism of prices.

me too, can't wait to be able to bet. football, volleyball is my favorite sports.

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I saw some news about the tickets

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Tony Estanguet and his team had set the bar a notch lower, with a target of 3 million tickets sold. The three-time Olympic canoe champion can keep smiling. “It is already the largest ever sale for a sport event in France, he explained. The objective has been reached. We have sold tickets in all sports, and this until the last sales slot.”

Source: https://www.francsjeux.com/2023/03/10/paris-2024-ticketing-is-a-new-record-in-france/90750

The first phase of ticket sales has already been completed and have broken records. It seems that they are very excited about the Olympics in Paris.
UK, USA, Germany and Netherlands are the countries that have bought the most tickets besides France.
The sports that have sold the most tickets so far are soccer, athletics, rugby, basketball and volleyball.

Very good to see that they are selling well, and will probably sell out all tickets, because France is a well-located country, close to many other countries in Europe, and with good infrastructure.

Is anyone here thinking of attending any of the events?
I can't wait for the Olympics to start so I can place my bets, I will bet on soccer, skateboarding and surfing.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 23, 2023, 06:27:58 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on February 17, 2023, 06:15:52 AM

Ok, I will paraphrase. Lets take 100 meter dash as an example. What would you better watch ? A race between Justin Gatlin (on of biggest Usain Bolt rivals) and Usain Bolt (that performs under Canadian flag) for gold medal, or a race between Justin Gatlin and some sprinter from Finland (sorry Finland, that is just an example, I have never seen you on 100m dash finals) ? Will that kill the spirit of the game?

I am not talking about whole delegation all of a sudden changes their nationalities, that will be just stupid, but individuals. When I watch sport, I like to watch sports, but not to get involved into politics. I have plenty of it around. Sport is already harmed enough with racisms, doping, cheating. That is more than enough to turn sport into crap.

What this has to do with the change of nationalities? Usain Bolt was born in Jamaica and he has always remained as a Jamaican citizen. On the other hand, Justin Gatlin was born in Brooklyn, New York and he has always represented the United States. If these two are the best, then they will compete against each other. That said, if Usain Bolt decides to take up the citizenship of Qatar and decides to represent the Qatari team in the next Olympics, then for me it will kill the spirit of the game. It will be a loss for Jamaica and gain for Qatar.

I've got your point. But for me, it does not really matter much which country fighter represent, if he gives his best, if he tried to show maximum of his skills. I value fair competition more than the spirit of the game. I prefer to see in finals best vs best, instead of best vs "the one who managed to get to finals since others were banned/skipped/etc". I think that is the spirit of Olympic games, two find out who is best in the world, but now who is best among allowed to compete.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on February 17, 2023, 06:15:52 AM

Ok, I will paraphrase. Lets take 100 meter dash as an example. What would you better watch ? A race between Justin Gatlin (on of biggest Usain Bolt rivals) and Usain Bolt (that performs under Canadian flag) for gold medal, or a race between Justin Gatlin and some sprinter from Finland (sorry Finland, that is just an example, I have never seen you on 100m dash finals) ? Will that kill the spirit of the game?

I am not talking about whole delegation all of a sudden changes their nationalities, that will be just stupid, but individuals. When I watch sport, I like to watch sports, but not to get involved into politics. I have plenty of it around. Sport is already harmed enough with racisms, doping, cheating. That is more than enough to turn sport into crap.

What this has to do with the change of nationalities? Usain Bolt was born in Jamaica and he has always remained as a Jamaican citizen. On the other hand, Justin Gatlin was born in Brooklyn, New York and he has always represented the United States. If these two are the best, then they will compete against each other. That said, if Usain Bolt decides to take up the citizenship of Qatar and decides to represent the Qatari team in the next Olympics, then for me it will kill the spirit of the game. It will be a loss for Jamaica and gain for Qatar.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 17, 2023, 04:49:28 AM

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On one hand I agree that it kills the spirit, but on the other, it allows to compete against best. The medal would worth zero, if for example most of the countries are banned, and you get a gold medal in ice hockey playing against Arab and African countries. Even though gold medal is always a gold medal.

Other example - dont remember the name, but it was woman that participated for 3 countries and won gold medals in gymnastics. First for Soviet Union, second for Uzbekistan, third for Germany (she was force to moved there to get proper medicine for her child).

I find it ok if a person represents other country. It is about sport after all, not about the flag. Take a look on football teams. All of them are multinational. Take biggest Olympic teams (like USA for example) and dig into athletes roots. A lot of athletes ancestors are foreigners.

Competing against the best may benefit that particular individual. But it will kill the spirit of the games, if the athletes change nationality very frequently, and that too for materialistic benefits. I partially agree with you on football. A number of countries, such as Qatar and United Arab Emirates rely heavily on naturalized players. But I wouldn't say that about the United States. Although most of the players are of migrant origin, they are born and brought up in the US itself. Maybe FIFA should introduce maximum number of naturalized players in the XI, such as 2 or 3. But introducing threshold for players of migrant origin (who are born in that country itself) would be discriminatory.

Ok, I will paraphrase. Lets take 100 meter dash as an example. What would you better watch ? A race between Justin Gatlin (on of biggest Usain Bolt rivals) and Usain Bolt (that performs under Canadian flag) for gold medal, or a race between Justin Gatlin and some sprinter from Finland (sorry Finland, that is just an example, I have never seen you on 100m dash finals) ? Will that kill the spirit of the game?

I am not talking about whole delegation all of a sudden changes their nationalities, that will be just stupid, but individuals. When I watch sport, I like to watch sports, but not to get involved into politics. I have plenty of it around. Sport is already harmed enough with racisms, doping, cheating. That is more than enough to turn sport into crap.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 16, 2023, 12:00:50 PM

Quote from: TopTort777 on February 16, 2023, 07:08:07 AM

Athletes can change their passports and represent other country. Some athletes do this, because they dont fit in athletes quota of their country, or they simply emigrate. It has become common to see, for example, Sergey and Tatiana in ice skating, that represent Canada. Or Russian boxer Artur Beterbiev now fights under Canadian flag.

Some athletes actually might change nationality on purpose to participate in Paris 2024 Olympic games. Their goal is not only to represent their motherland, but to become an Olympic champion. Sometimes it does not matter which flag you have on a jacket, when you have a gold medal on you neck. From business point of view - you wont earn much when you retired. Athletes open their sport schools. And "TopTort777 boxing school" sounds worse than "Olympic champion's TopTort777 boxing school" Grin

In my childhood we have boxing schools in every schools basement. But "Olympic" gives more prestige, it automatically ads 100% to monthly subscription price.

Changing nationality just to get in to the Olympics doesn't sound legit for me. I know that some of the Arab nations do this, by giving out passports to athletes from Africa and Latin America. But it kills the spirit of the game. Such practices give an unfair advantage to richer countries, who can attract players with funds and facilities. And this in turn harms the prospects of poorer nations, who lose their opportunity to earn medals (and funds). Now in case of Russian and Belarussian athletes, they are changing nationality not for money, but just for the opportunity to participate in Olympics.

we have to ask ourselves why even today we still see countries in extreme poverty to the point where they pay well their country's athletes when we can all easily go to google and do research on how much money the leaders of the governments of poor countries have and how much money they have the relatives of the leaders of poor countries, we will see clearly that they are very rich people who even manage to compete with many rich people in rich countries, something simply shocking

in my opinion athletes have to think about their future too, if some country offers them good living conditions if they change nationality then they should do that. in poor countries governments 90% of the money that athletes earn in international competitions, I don't see how this cannot be considered slavery, that's why many athletes prefer to change nationality, not to mention that there is a lot of corruption in poor countries, it arrives at level at which the athlete has to pay to be called to represent the country in international competition

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Quote from: TopTort777 on February 17, 2023, 03:13:08 AM

On one hand I agree that it kills the spirit, but on the other, it allows to compete against best. The medal would worth zero, if for example most of the countries are banned, and you get a gold medal in ice hockey playing against Arab and African countries. Even though gold medal is always a gold medal.

Other example - dont remember the name, but it was woman that participated for 3 countries and won gold medals in gymnastics. First for Soviet Union, second for Uzbekistan, third for Germany (she was force to moved there to get proper medicine for her child).

I find it ok if a person represents other country. It is about sport after all, not about the flag. Take a look on football teams. All of them are multinational. Take biggest Olympic teams (like USA for example) and dig into athletes roots. A lot of athletes ancestors are foreigners.

Competing against the best may benefit that particular individual. But it will kill the spirit of the games, if the athletes change nationality very frequently, and that too for materialistic benefits. I partially agree with you on football. A number of countries, such as Qatar and United Arab Emirates rely heavily on naturalized players. But I wouldn't say that about the United States. Although most of the players are of migrant origin, they are born and brought up in the US itself. Maybe FIFA should introduce maximum number of naturalized players in the XI, such as 2 or 3. But introducing threshold for players of migrant origin (who are born in that country itself) would be discriminatory.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 16, 2023, 12:00:50 PM

Quote from: TopTort777 on February 16, 2023, 07:08:07 AM

Athletes can change their passports and represent other country. Some athletes do this, because they dont fit in athletes quota of their country, or they simply emigrate. It has become common to see, for example, Sergey and Tatiana in ice skating, that represent Canada. Or Russian boxer Artur Beterbiev now fights under Canadian flag.

Some athletes actually might change nationality on purpose to participate in Paris 2024 Olympic games. Their goal is not only to represent their motherland, but to become an Olympic champion. Sometimes it does not matter which flag you have on a jacket, when you have a gold medal on you neck. From business point of view - you wont earn much when you retired. Athletes open their sport schools. And "TopTort777 boxing school" sounds worse than "Olympic champion's TopTort777 boxing school" Grin

In my childhood we have boxing schools in every schools basement. But "Olympic" gives more prestige, it automatically ads 100% to monthly subscription price.

Changing nationality just to get in to the Olympics doesn't sound legit for me. I know that some of the Arab nations do this, by giving out passports to athletes from Africa and Latin America. But it kills the spirit of the game. Such practices give an unfair advantage to richer countries, who can attract players with funds and facilities. And this in turn harms the prospects of poorer nations, who lose their opportunity to earn medals (and funds). Now in case of Russian and Belarussian athletes, they are changing nationality not for money, but just for the opportunity to participate in Olympics.

On one hand I agree that it kills the spirit, but on the other, it allows to compete against best. The medal would worth zero, if for example most of the countries are banned, and you get a gold medal in ice hockey playing against Arab and African countries. Even though gold medal is always a gold medal.

Other example - dont remember the name, but it was woman that participated for 3 countries and won gold medals in gymnastics. First for Soviet Union, second for Uzbekistan, third for Germany (she was force to moved there to get proper medicine for her child).

I find it ok if a person represents other country. It is about sport after all, not about the flag. Take a look on football teams. All of them are multinational. Take biggest Olympic teams (like USA for example) and dig into athletes roots. A lot of athletes ancestors are foreigners.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 15, 2023, 08:45:47 PM

The president of the International Olympic Committee (IOC), Thomas Bach has further clarified the situation related to athletes from Russia and Belarus. Previously Volodymyr Zelenskiy had asked the IOC to impose a blanket ban on athletes from these two countries. But according to Bach, no such action will be taken, as the governments can't decide on which teams should compete and which ones should not participate. Obviously the statement from Bach has attracted fierce criticism from Zelenskiy. Russian and Belarussian athletes will now compete under neutral flag.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/feb/12/olympics-head-rejects-zelenskiy-call-to-ban-russian-athletes-from-paris-games

It's been a year since the war has happened and they can't settle into neutral grounds. They should give the athletes a chance to compete at the highest level of the sport. I am in agreement with Bach's decision to support athletes from Belarus and Russia to compete under neutral flag. During the Olympics, they don't represent any country or anyone, just themselves wanting to showcase the world what they have in the highest level of the sport they are participating in. I think it's time for Zelenskiy to realize that Ukraine's enemy aren't the entirety of Russia and Belarus, only its leaders who are using its people as pawns on the chessboard in order to gain whatever the hell they want.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on February 16, 2023, 07:08:07 AM

Athletes can change their passports and represent other country. Some athletes do this, because they dont fit in athletes quota of their country, or they simply emigrate. It has become common to see, for example, Sergey and Tatiana in ice skating, that represent Canada. Or Russian boxer Artur Beterbiev now fights under Canadian flag.

Some athletes actually might change nationality on purpose to participate in Paris 2024 Olympic games. Their goal is not only to represent their motherland, but to become an Olympic champion. Sometimes it does not matter which flag you have on a jacket, when you have a gold medal on you neck. From business point of view - you wont earn much when you retired. Athletes open their sport schools. And "TopTort777 boxing school" sounds worse than "Olympic champion's TopTort777 boxing school" Grin

In my childhood we have boxing schools in every schools basement. But "Olympic" gives more prestige, it automatically ads 100% to monthly subscription price.

Changing nationality just to get in to the Olympics doesn't sound legit for me. I know that some of the Arab nations do this, by giving out passports to athletes from Africa and Latin America. But it kills the spirit of the game. Such practices give an unfair advantage to richer countries, who can attract players with funds and facilities. And this in turn harms the prospects of poorer nations, who lose their opportunity to earn medals (and funds). Now in case of Russian and Belarussian athletes, they are changing nationality not for money, but just for the opportunity to participate in Olympics.

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Athletes can change their passports and represent other country. Some athletes do this, because they dont fit in athletes quota of their country, or they simply emigrate. It has become common to see, for example, Sergey and Tatiana in ice skating, that represent Canada. Or Russian boxer Artur Beterbiev now fights under Canadian flag.

Some athletes actually might change nationality on purpose to participate in Paris 2024 Olympic games. Their goal is not only to represent their motherland, but to become an Olympic champion. Sometimes it does not matter which flag you have on a jacket, when you have a gold medal on you neck. From business point of view - you wont earn much when you retired. Athletes open their sport schools. And "TopTort777 boxing school" sounds worse than "Olympic champion's TopTort777 boxing school" Grin

In my childhood we have boxing schools in every schools basement. But "Olympic" gives more prestige, it automatically ads 100% to monthly subscription price.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 15, 2023, 08:45:47 PM

The president of the International Olympic Committee (IOC), Thomas Bach has further clarified the situation related to athletes from Russia and Belarus. Previously Volodymyr Zelenskiy had asked the IOC to impose a blanket ban on athletes from these two countries. But according to Bach, no such action will be taken, as the governments can't decide on which teams should compete and which ones should not participate. Obviously the statement from Bach has attracted fierce criticism from Zelenskiy. Russian and Belarussian athletes will now compete under neutral flag.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/feb/12/olympics-head-rejects-zelenskiy-call-to-ban-russian-athletes-from-paris-games

The steps taken by the IOC will be the same as those taken by organizers of other major sporting events, for example, tennis, last year only at the Wimbledon Grand Slam where Russian and Belarusian tennis players were banned from playing but we know that Russia has many tennis athletes who they defend other countries and are champions the women of wimbledon are athletes born in russia only she defended Kazakhstan.

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The president of the International Olympic Committee (IOC), Thomas Bach has further clarified the situation related to athletes from Russia and Belarus. Previously Volodymyr Zelenskiy had asked the IOC to impose a blanket ban on athletes from these two countries. But according to Bach, no such action will be taken, as the governments can't decide on which teams should compete and which ones should not participate. Obviously the statement from Bach has attracted fierce criticism from Zelenskiy. Russian and Belarussian athletes will now compete under neutral flag.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/feb/12/olympics-head-rejects-zelenskiy-call-to-ban-russian-athletes-from-paris-games

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