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Quote from: YuginKadoya on February 08, 2023, 03:48:30 AM

Well Break Dancing is included maybe they will have a plan for how they can score it and they surely have criteria for judging it just like in most different show that depicts break dancing or other dancing contest I really think they have certain plans for it, well this is a summer Olympics so all said games are based on sports that are likely be on warm weather and another thing Indoor games are also can be included here aswell, but apparently, I like Taekwondo so maybe I will likely watch and if I could make a bet on that,

I used to watch Battle of The Year break dancing event videos and judging criteria was usually crowd reaction. Dancers performed various elements, but the crowd gave much noise when one of the dancer performs windmill. No matter how difficult the elements dancer showed (often they required a lot of strength, strong joints), when opposite dancer performs windmill, the crowd goes crazy. What looks cool, gets higher score. Such scoring system is bad for international challenges of Olympic games level. Such a score system is not objective.

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Quote from: bakasabo on February 07, 2023, 05:58:39 AM

Try to resist turning this topic from sports discussion into politics discussion. Sports and politics comes together, but lets focus more on sports. If we ban every country that was once involved in war as an aggressor, then we will have nobody to compete.

Until seen in this topic, I have never thought that breakdancing will be one of Olympic games sports programs. I find it interesting how the judges are going to select who will get gold medal, as there are different dance styles in breaking. I think breaking wont last in Olympic games, as it will hard to rate performance adequate. In few decades breaking will join discontinued Olympic sports programs list.

Well, if someone is opening up about that topic, it will surely drag down the thread to that, but surely all I want is for all available countries to participate no banning of the said countries, just because you have hate for that said country because their country has decided in waging war, against another country,

But let's end the discussion about it and yeah move on to sports, well certain I think this is too early to discuss but regarding adding sports in the Olympic that summer base is a great idea,

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 07, 2023, 06:27:36 AM

Agreed w.r.t Russian athletes. IOC has already banned Russia from competing the Games and the athletes are only allowed as neutral candidates. Now the suggestion to ban individual athletes is stupid. Because ordinary Russians doesn't have anything to do with the Putin regime. And a vast majority of the Russian and Ukrainian soldiers fighting this war have been recruited through forceful means. Punishing them for the crimes of the regime doesn't make any sense. The most vocal proponents of this Russian athlete ban are those from countries that engage in political interference in other countries - such as the NATO bloc.

And I have similar concerns regarding breakdancing. The scoring is going to be quite controversial, as thee are no fixed rules available. Asian Games have included Esports and some of the other multi-sports events have included motor-sports as one of the disciplines. And at the same time, they are planning to shelve genuine sports such as Wrestling and Boxing. I am not happy with the direction they are taking.

As I have said let's just bring peace not war, and certainly, Russian Civilians don't want that to happen it is all political and a misunderstanding of the two leaders, not the people so please stop hating the people

Well Break Dancing is included maybe they will have a plan for how they can score it and they surely have criteria for judging it just like in most different show that depicts break dancing or other dancing contest I really think they have certain plans for it, well this is a summer Olympics so all said games are based on sports that are likely be on warm weather and another thing Indoor games are also can be included here aswell, but apparently, I like Taekwondo so maybe I will likely watch and if I could make a bet on that,

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Quote from: rdluffy on February 07, 2023, 08:25:32 AM

I know it's strange, but Teahupo'o is situated in Tahiti - French Polynesia, and the distance between Paris and Teahupo's is more than 15.000 km Shocked

French Polynesia (Tahiti, Tuamotu and Marquesas islands) is an "overseas department" of France and therefore the French have the right to schedule some of the events there. But obviously it will give rise to a lot of logistical complexities. France is a colonial power, which still rules over bits and pieces of territories all over the world. And these territories are considered as part of France, and therefore if they don't give hosting rights, then the inhabitants of these regions will accuse the French Olympic authorities of discrimination. At least let us be relieved with the fact that they are not organizing any events in Adelie Land (French Antarctica).

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Quote from: Sirait on February 03, 2023, 03:40:04 PM

I still can't stop thinking about transwomen who enter the women's category at the Olympics, they are basically men, how can men be ordered to compete with women when we know that the Olympics are competitions that rely on physical strength and transwomen's physical strength is on par with men. transgender people should have their own category like those with disabilities.

I think this categorization of men and women should be abolished to make room for another factor that would be much fairer...

Today technology allows us to safely and accurately measure a biomarker based on a person's testosterone levels, so instead of dividing athletes into male and female, why not divide by testosterone level?

This measurement would allow us to include intersex athletes, such as South African middle distance runner Caster Semenya, who have naturally high testosterone levels (she is female and not trans, but in 2018 she was banned from competing in the Olympics after the IAAF ruled that women with elevated testosterone levels should take drugs to lower them, and only then be able to compete in the women's category, so did Namibian track and field stars Christine Mboma and Beatrice Masilingi at the Tokyo Olympics.

This is fair? Obviously not.

The world is evolving and this segmentation of men and women also needs to change.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on February 07, 2023, 05:23:07 PM

If you already mentioned new sports added to Olympic programme, it's worth to mention that they dropped out karate and baseball/softball.
About Russia and Belarus, don't to go into politics here, but my opinion that they shouldn't be allowed. It's not just war, but also doping issues of Russia, don't forget that in previous Olympics they had to participate as neutral athletes without a flag.

I agree with you, I hope that news related to Russian-Ukrainian politics will not appear again in the future so that the topic is not deviated and polluted.

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Finally Olympic games will be at good time for Europeans to watch. For the first time since 2012 London, we won't have to watch Olympics at night or early morning.
If you already mentioned new sports added to Olympic programme, it's worth to mention that they dropped out karate and baseball/softball.
About Russia and Belarus, don't to go into politics here, but my opinion that they shouldn't be allowed. It's not just war, but also doping issues of Russia, don't forget that in previous Olympics they had to participate as neutral athletes without a flag.

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Quote from: macson on February 03, 2023, 11:04:15 AM

besides that, there are 4 sports that are added to it, these sports: surfing, sport climbing, breaking, and skateboarding.

As far as I know, some of the types of sports that are proposed are familiar, as friends here said, happened at the Tokyo Olympics, these sports have already been contested.
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As said by:@Thomas Bach.

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“The four sports that Paris has proposed are all totally in line with Olympic Agenda 2020 because they contribute to making the programme more gender balanced and more urban, and offer the opportunity to connect with the younger generation,” said IOC President Thomas Bach in a released statement. “The proposed sports are in line with these principles and enhance Paris 2024’s overall dynamic Games concept, which focuses on inclusivity, inspiring a new audience and hosting socially responsible Games.”

Source: Sport Climbing and Surfing Make the Paris 2024 Summer Olympics.

As I know the purpose of adding these sports has been conveyed by the IOC, as quoted below.

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By provisionally adding these sports to the 2024 lineup, the Olympic Programme Commission will “continue its analysis and observation” of the competitions, including “joint official observations at the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020 with Paris 2024 and the Olympic Programme Commission,” according to the IOC.

So, it seems that the addition of several other sports at the upcoming Paris 2024 Olympics is not a rare phenomenon, except: there are other things that we can talk about here, maybe they are more interesting to discuss.
Such as: The qualifying team, the best team, the team winning the most silver, gold, bronze medals, maybe that's new development information, which is worth publishing, that's my opinion and it's useful for gamblers.

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I'm more interested in Olympics because now they have Surf and Skateboarding Cool

I also like football, BMX and mountain bike, and of course Athletics.

Nobody is talking about gambling yet, but in Surf, SK8 and football I have good knowledge and I'll bet in these 3 categories

Interesting fact: in 2024 the surf competition will take place in Teahupo'o, one of the best waves in the world and one of the most dangerous Shocked

Different than Olympics in Tokyo
I know it's strange, but Teahupo'o is situated in Tahiti - French Polynesia, and the distance between Paris and Teahupo's is more than 15.000 km Shocked

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Quote from: bakasabo on February 07, 2023, 05:58:39 AM

Try to resist turning this topic from sports discussion into politics discussion. Sports and politics comes together, but lets focus more on sports. If we ban every country that was once involved in war as an aggressor, then we will have nobody to compete.

Until seen in this topic, I have never thought that breakdancing will be one of Olympic games sports programs. I find it interesting how the judges are going to select who will get gold medal, as there are different dance styles in breaking. I think breaking wont last in Olympic games, as it will hard to rate performance adequate. In few decades breaking will join discontinued Olympic sports programs list.

Agreed w.r.t Russian athletes. IOC has already banned Russia from competing the Games and the athletes are only allowed as neutral candidates. Now the suggestion to ban individual athletes is stupid. Because ordinary Russians doesn't have anything to do with the Putin regime. And a vast majority of the Russian and Ukrainian soldiers fighting this war have been recruited through forceful means. Punishing them for the crimes of the regime doesn't make any sense. The most vocal proponents of this Russian athlete ban are those from countries that engage in political interference in other countries - such as the NATO bloc.

And I have similar concerns regarding breakdancing. The scoring is going to be quite controversial, as thee are no fixed rules available. Asian Games have included Esports and some of the other multi-sports events have included motor-sports as one of the disciplines. And at the same time, they are planning to shelve genuine sports such as Wrestling and Boxing. I am not happy with the direction they are taking.

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Try to resist turning this topic from sports discussion into politics discussion. Sports and politics comes together, but lets focus more on sports. If we ban every country that was once involved in war as an aggressor, then we will have nobody to compete.

Until seen in this topic, I have never thought that breakdancing will be one of Olympic games sports programs. I find it interesting how the judges are going to select who will get gold medal, as there are different dance styles in breaking. I think breaking wont last in Olympic games, as it will hard to rate performance adequate. In few decades breaking will join discontinued Olympic sports programs list.

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Quote from: acroman08 on February 03, 2023, 03:20:48 PM

wait, isn't surfing, sport climbing and skateboarding have been part of the Olympics? I mean I saw them during the 2020 Tokyo Olympics, and the only new sport I see that has been added is breaking.

anyway, I wonder if they are going to allow another trans woman to participate in the women's category.

Well, it was until it was added again, I don't really know the exact details about this but there are no sports regarding Surfing, Sport Climbing, Skateboarding, and even Breaking that was 1st time I am hearing, were not included in the recent Beijing 2022 Olympics, Right now Alpine Skiing was not in there aswell maybe because of a certain area that sports availability, so certain aspect that have Skiing was not included aswell like Nordic Combine, and it was in the summertime so no Ice Hockey, all form of skating or skiing so all sports in the 2022 Olympic was a winter type of sports, but all these sports will be available in the 2024 Gangwon Olympics, like I have said it may vary depending on the place, or the weather,

Quote from: swogerino on February 07, 2023, 03:15:03 AM

No athlete from Russia or Belarus should be part of the Olympic games,the only games Russia knows to play are murdering innocent civilian and raping women beside doing every new day a new war crime and breaking International Law so based on this it would be a big hypocrisy for the committee who is responsible for organizing such games that are a representation of the free world to make any Russian or Belarus athlete to take part in this competition.

If they normally will not let them then from the betting perspective it increases the chances of those who want to bet here to win something.

Problems with Russia and Ukraine are all political, they will not include all Russian people or it really doesn't involve the society, tend not to include everyone with it because political things are not the same with personal agenda, but I sure don't approve of war at all, it is between two parties, so could be a provocation involve for the other to start a war, well that is their issue, and I really don't know the full details,

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Quote from: swogerino on February 07, 2023, 03:15:03 AM

No athlete from Russia or Belarus should be part of the Olympic games,the only games Russia knows to play are murdering innocent civilian and raping women beside doing every new day a new war crime and breaking International Law so based on this it would be a big hypocrisy for the committee who is responsible for organizing such games that are a representation of the free world to make any Russian or Belarus athlete to take part in this competition.

If they normally will not let them then from the betting perspective it increases the chances of those who want to bet here to win something.

So I guess all the NATO countries should be banned since they were involved in the invasions of Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan, where millions of people died? I don't approve of what Russia is doing in Ukraine. But NATO bloc doesn't have the moral rights do take a high ground here, after all the invasions they did on third world nations.

Quote from: Pierre 2 on February 07, 2023, 02:31:00 AM

Breaking becoming part of Olympics sound nice to me. I mean its a dance that involve both aesthetics and athletism. They did right with it. I guess nothing special other than this. I actually like Olympics in France cause its easy for me to watch in Türkiye. About betting part, I feel sure that Russia won't be in Olympics except some neutral athletes. So USA will very likely become leader of medal table at the end of it.

I don't know. This sounds like a bad idea for me. Since when breakdancing is considered as a sport? It is an artform. If we includes breakdancing, then what prevents the inclusion of other dance forms such as belly dance, ballet, samba and flamenco?

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Quote from: Pierre 2 on February 07, 2023, 02:31:00 AM

Breaking becoming part of Olympics sound nice to me. I mean its a dance that involve both aesthetics and athletism. They did right with it. I guess nothing special other than this. I actually like Olympics in France cause its easy for me to watch in Türkiye. About betting part, I feel sure that Russia won't be in Olympics except some neutral athletes. So USA will very likely become leader of medal table at the end of it.

No athlete from Russia or Belarus should be part of the Olympic games,the only games Russia knows to play are murdering innocent civilian and raping women beside doing every new day a new war crime and breaking International Law so based on this it would be a big hypocrisy for the committee who is responsible for organizing such games that are a representation of the free world to make any Russian or Belarus athlete to take part in this competition.

If they normally will not let them then from the betting perspective it increases the chances of those who want to bet here to win something.

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Breaking becoming part of Olympics sound nice to me. I mean its a dance that involve both aesthetics and athletism. They did right with it. I guess nothing special other than this. I actually like Olympics in France cause its easy for me to watch in Türkiye. About betting part, I feel sure that Russia won't be in Olympics except some neutral athletes. So USA will very likely become leader of medal table at the end of it.

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Quote from: macson on February 04, 2023, 09:24:37 AM

other news; Ukraine is ready to lobby all authorities so that Olympic athletes from Russia and Belarus are not allowed to compete in the 2024 Paris Summer Olympics.

As usual, it gets messy when politics is mixed with sports.

IOC hasn't taken a decision on Russian and Belarussian participation for the 2024 event yet. All they have said till now is that they are examining a "pathway" so that the athletes can compete (probably under the ROC flag, similar to what they did for the 2020 Tokyo Games). Stanislav Pozdnyakov (head of Russian Olympic Committee) is lobbying for full participation, while Ukrainians are threatening to boycott the games if Russians are allowed under any flag. The argument from Ukraine is that out of the 71 medals won by athletes representing ROC in Tokyo, a total of 45 went to those who are members of the Central Sport Club of the Army (ЦCКA).

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Quote from: acroman08 on February 03, 2023, 03:20:48 PM

wait, isn't surfing, sport climbing and skateboarding have been part of the Olympics? I mean I saw them during the 2020 Tokyo Olympics, and the only new sport I see that has been added is breaking.

Sport climbing, surfing and skateboarding have indeed been contested at the Tokyo Olympics a few years ago but at the Paris Summer Olympics it was the first time ^{(Paris hosted the Summer Olympics for the third time)}

Quote from: acroman08 on February 03, 2023, 03:20:48 PM

anyway, I wonder if they are going to allow another trans woman to participate in the women's category.

The transgender uproar at the Olympics occurred during the Tokyo Olympics which had passed, at that time Laurel Hubbard ^{(a weightlifter)} became the first transgender athlete to be recognized by the IOC. some protested but in fact it was continued in the women's category and vice versa.

Reportedly, the flame torch that opened the Paris Summer Olympics will be welcomed for the first time in the city of Marseille from Greece.

[1] https://onu.delegfrance.org/marseille-will-welcome-the-olympic-flame-as-it-begins-its-journey-through

other news; Ukraine is ready to lobby all authorities so that Olympic athletes from Russia and Belarus are not allowed to compete in the 2024 Paris Summer Olympics.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/2023/02/03/ukraine-ban-russia-belarus-olympics/

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Quote from: acroman08 on February 03, 2023, 03:20:48 PM

wait, isn't surfing, sport climbing and skateboarding have been part of the Olympics? I mean I saw them during the 2020 Tokyo Olympics, and the only new sport I see that has been added is breaking.

anyway, I wonder if they are going to allow another trans woman to participate in the women's category.

you are right, in this paragraph, the three sports made their debut at the Tokyo 2020 Olympics and only "breaking" did its first at the Olympics as an optional sport, maybe OP skip this paragraph lol.

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When Paris was bidding for the games in August 2017, the Paris Organising Committee announced that it would hold talks with the IOC and professional esports organisations about the possibility of introducing competitive events in 2024.[30][31] In July 2018, the IOC confirmed it would not consider esports for the 2024 Olympics.[32] On 21 February 2019, the Paris Organising Committee announced they would propose the inclusion of breakdancing (breaking), as well as skateboarding, sport climbing, and surfing—three sports which debuted at the then-upcoming 2020 Summer Olympics as optional sports.[33][34][32] All four sports were approved during the 134th IOC Session in Lausanne, Switzerland on 24 June 2019.[34][32][35]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Summer_Olympics

I still can't stop thinking about transwomen who enter the women's category at the Olympics, they are basically men, how can men be ordered to compete with women when we know that the Olympics are competitions that rely on physical strength and transwomen's physical strength is on par with men. transgender people should have their own category like those with disabilities.

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wait, isn't surfing, sport climbing and skateboarding have been part of the Olympics? I mean I saw them during the 2020 Tokyo Olympics, and the only new sport I see that has been added is breaking.

anyway, I wonder if they are going to allow another trans woman to participate in the women's category.

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The Summer Olympic Games (French: Jeux olympiques d'été), also known as the Games of the Olympiad, and often referred to as the Summer Olympics, is a major international multi-sport event normally held once every four years. The inaugural Games took place in 1896 in Athens, Greece, and the most recent edition was held in 2021 in Tokyo, Japan.

event schedule: Jul 26, 2024 - Sun, Aug 11, 2024

Reportedly, the qualification for the Paris 2024 Olympics in the Asia zone will take place on April 3 -11 2023. besides that, there are 4 sports that are added to it, these sports: surfing, sport climbing, breaking, and skateboarding.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Summer_Olympics
[2] https://olympics.com/en/olympic-games/paris-2024

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