Topic: [PAUSE/CLOSE] BetterCallRaul.it No KYC Crypto Exchange Signature Campaign (Read 7531 times)

Thanks Royse777. Payment received. More feathers to your hat.

@Rose777 so sorry for another lose as finally this whole stuff happens to be scam at last and it happened that you paid us from your own pocket, thank you for keeping your words, It heart paining incuring unexpected loses like this and I believe you won't experience this kind of lose again managing campaigns in the future as you must have learnt some lessons from this BetterCallRaul.it recent scam event.
It was nice working with you and hope to work with you again in the future.

Payment confirmed.

Finally, everything is handled smoothly we are don't expect all situations with you @Royse777, We are sorry for what happened to you, we will have to be more careful when handling this type of project in the future.

Also finally thanks received the payment.


Good Luck,
Cheers.

Royse I am Sorry for another great lost. Really what BetterCallRaul did is very bad. I know it is painful but take heart have a thick skin. I also appreciate those who exempted themselves from the spreadsheet if Raul Team didn't refill the escrow and you stand for your words. Wow! More trust giving to you from minds. You are heros of the season.

Thanks Royse, payment received. You've always been amazing.

Done. 

Good morning everyone (Although I am preparing to sleep in half an hour, it's past midnight)!

Self-excluded from the payment. It was not needed but I do appreciate the support when bad time hits hard.

User bbigtart is not going to receive any payment as it's proven that he was using AI in some posts. You are ban from any of my campaign until 31st December 2023
Saira10 is going to receive the reward because of the AI posting found on bbigtart.

Sorry for any delay, the payments are sent (Week#7 and incomplete week#8):
Please confirm you received the payments. If I missed anyone who wanted to exclude from receiving payment then you are free to send it back to the following address.

As per my knowledge, all due and mess that happened for Raul team in this campaign, are cleared now. If anyone have any complain then please post it on this thread, I will look at it try to resolve.

It was great time working with you all in this campaign. I am sure we will work together or already working together in some other campaigns.

Cheers,

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Please support the flag on BetterCallRaul and leave negative feedback on their feedback page to spread the awareness so that no one else step into same type of trap and learn from the experience we had.

Hey Royse77, One of your users Bettercallraut accepted a member using AITool to make a post which is prohibited in the signature campaign. he has a pending reward also check this thread and if I am right, do action Thanks

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62312182

This is a good attribute to a find in a good manager. I must commend Royse777 managerial resolve in making payment from his own pocket and from the previous occurrence and this he wants to do. It is rare to see such act from a manger when it happens that such fault was not theirs to start with. I really give a Weldon kudos to this manager for his act of kindness. He has shown himself worthy of his position as a manager and i pray that more genuine  projects continue to come his way.

It's sad to hear you happened to pay over $6.2k from your pocket for the Bitlucy scam last year, and this year again unfortunate to encounter another campaign scam that is about to cost you another unplanned $1.5k from your pocket. So on this note, I will like to encourage you "Royse777" for never running away from your responsibilities in challenging times like this, because it is in a period like this we get to know who a good campaign manager is, and you have proven yourself once (i.e during Bitlucy scam) and here about to prove yourself worthy of the job of a campaign manager once again. So I just pray your contact person responds on time before the 10 days elapse.

I just created thread in Scam Accusation for Bettercallraut discussion. I think it will be much better to keep aware other community members for their scam behavior and new manager should follow safety step for running any compaign.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5453875.new#new

Campaigns that have been running for a while usually  get some trust and benefit  of the doubt that they will come through....
 
And having been part of the Royse campaigns,  I have noticed his experience does come into play mostly...if he believes  the project will replenish the wallet without official word from the other side.. "mostly" he pays campaign participants out of his pocket to avoid any panic or distrust of project but if this goes on for one too many times campaign usually is paused until further notice to avoid hurting the companies  reputation & his to some extent...

Unlucky agreed.

Am pretty sure most of these projects aren't fully invested to always keep an eye on whats happening here on the forum as they put their trust in the Campaign Manager to allow them to work on other pressing  things of their project, besides when sig campaigns are launched usually funds are escrowed to avoid uncertainty but when a project is running  for over a month I think they deserve the breathing room, some trust to deliver on their liabilities  after participants do their part and not to be pressured to keep a conducive environment among project, sig participants and CM.

I guess the liability  issue is a special case.

This situation is very dissappointing that such should happen to manager Royse777. He trusted the team and project but all they could do is to pay back with wickedness.

From the investigation conducted, it seems the mixer pulled the tricks themselves making us to see that the government are involved in it but in the real sense they lied wanting to cover up their deeds. This is beyond possibility infact there is nothing like possibility in this act. They schemed the whole process to divert attention to the government but they forget that there is always a way to find out the truth of what happened.

It is very painful to be having such experience for the second time making Royse777 to pay again from his pocket which is not right.

 I'll suggest that project team should always sign up an mou to managers to making such that campaign managers have direct access to them and should be in constant communication and updating the managers with information before hand as to know the development and their status about the campaign and signature payment so that if there by any chance that there would be an issue, the manager could be able to detect it enough to pause the campaign immediately to forestall any occurrences in the nearest future.

You don't need to pay me if they don't refill the escrow. Don't worry about it.

I stand with Rose777:

Both of you guys made a very valid point, managers are not obligated to pay for weeks of work if the team pull an exit scam such as this present situation, where a manager can be held responsible when the funds are in his possession and something happens, unlike like in this case Rose announced the wallet refills before time and taking the words of his contacts to run the second week.

Hhampuz is known for one thing and that is timelessness once a team didn't respond to refill the escrow wallet, he will place the campaign on pause, because he has learned from his previous mistakes and other managers should also learn from that.

I believe Rose777 will come out stronger and he already asked for 7-10 to make the payments, now is left for the campaign participants to understand with the manager, whether or not they could forfeit payments or not, regardless is their money they earned it but shit happens and there is need to move on.

So, do you two think that in the future, to run a campaign without having received the funds from the company is a case of force majeure? I don't think so.

In this particular case, I understand. It is a relatively common practice, when a campaign has been running for a while and you have not received the funds for the week, to continue it because you trust that the company will send you the funds.

I think that the manager of this campaign has been unlucky and has been caught in the middle of this situation, and I also understand the people who out of solidarity say that they don't need to be paid.

But in the future, if the campaign managers are going to put a disclaimer that removes them from responsibility I don't think they should continue a campaign as long as they have not received the funds.

Agreed!
I guess this Is something all campaign manager's need to put into their terms of service not to be obligated to foot the service charge to their campaign participants, unless the error Is on their side...  like storing funds on an exchange which gets hacked or forgetting their key to wallet..whatever it maybe.

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Photoshop,  domain still active... whatever is happening with BetterCallRaul hope they didn't wait to build their reputation with the community,  then waited for any big mix that came through to recoup all funds invested plus interest  then pull the plug on the crypto community  but the benefit of doubt will be given here till everything is stitched together or official word from Royse777 is received.

I will add for making a reference link that metadata from the stub image shows that the file was modified to add BetterCallRaul additional logo and text. It took 30 minutes and was done on 18th of May. So it was not made spontaneously.

And also, there would be a notification on the Department of Justice website, and news outlets would've been covering it in a frenzy just like Chipmixer.

It leads me to think that the two services are totally unrelated and that BetterCallRaul just did an exit scam copying the template from chipmixer.com

Also, I have noticed evidence of slight photoshopping of the service name text (where it says "chipmixer and bettercallraul").





In exhibit B, we have the notice by Raul with a stronger white font than the one used in Chipmixer. This font does not match up with the rest of the notice. That must mean some clever swindler must have carefully erased the previous text (this is every easy to do if you've seen my Background Eraser service) and then wrote his own text on top of it. Apparently they did not have the same font installed on their computer as the one used in the notice.

You cannot see the difference even in this size. You must download the images and open them at 100% zoom to see the difference. They are both in 720p size.

Meanwhile in Exhibit A we see the BetterCallRaul logo plastered on top of the notice, on the left and the right. The only problem is, the swindlers pasted the logo on top of part of the chipmixer logo. You will never see any law enforcement organization make this simple mistake. OOPS!  


Other suspicious evidence:

- The exact same warrant as Chipmixer was printed on Bettercallraul site, normally a seized website gets a different notice.
- The warrant mentioned on Bettercallraul.it seizure image does not contain any information about bettercallraul, only about Chipmixer.
- The exact same law enforcement stickers printed at the bottom of both sites although theoretically this cannot be possible unless Bettercallraul servers were hosted in the same area as CM's was
- There are no FBI Wanted signs for Raul or any other staff (although I suspect that if this scandal blows up there very well might be). We saw how quickly DBI identified Minh Whatshisname as the CM operator and indicted him.

Once again: I strongly suspect that BetterCallRaul pulled off an exit scam and they just fed ridiculous excuses to Royse and their person-in-contact.

Both websites have been saved to archive.org and archive.ph (aka archive.today) to preserve the evidence.

If we take into account the fact that the service pays the manager 100-200 dollars a week, then there may be users who refuse to receive payment due to force majeure.

Having to pay out of pocket because of issues like this is every manager's worse nightmare but then it is a necessary evil just to maintain their reputation and keep the users happy. I knew Royse did that during the time with bitlucy and even Hampuz in one of the campaigns he managed some time ago. I hope he doesn't have to go it again. This is not how it should be.

Let's remain positive and hope for the best.

Cheers.