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Topic: Paying all longs and btc deposits at bitcoinica! (Read 3256 times)

legendary
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Get ready for it...



Ready to sell again.  Hopefully I can get out in the $5.40s and buy more under $5 again.

I got out at $5.10 this time, getting ready to go in at $4.90. then I'll get out $5.05 and go back in at $4.95.
legendary
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Get ready for it...



Ready to sell again.  Hopefully I can get out in the $5.40s and buy more under $5 again.
legendary
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Drunk Posts
Get ready for it...

hero member
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It's back... not quite as strong as last time but still +$0.01 for longs, -$0.19 for shorts:
https://bitcoinica.com/pages/interest

That plus the * on sell means bitcoinica is already leveraged short. But the mini-wall was put up by a market-maker. Unless he removes that mini-wall or somebody sells into it, the bitcoinica shorts are about to take a loss.
I think bitcoinica will soon be forced to buy a BTC - that would hedge against a shortage of coins.
legendary
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rippleFanatic
It's back... not quite as strong as last time but still +$0.01 for longs, -$0.19 for shorts:
https://bitcoinica.com/pages/interest

That plus the * on sell means bitcoinica is already leveraged short. But the mini-wall was put up by a market-maker. Unless he removes that mini-wall or somebody sells into it, the bitcoinica shorts are about to take a loss.
legendary
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It's back... not quite as strong as last time but still +$0.01 for longs, -$0.19 for shorts:
https://bitcoinica.com/pages/interest
legendary
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rippleFanatic
However, there is one account on gox that will be buying in such a situation, and that's Bitcoinica.  For the past three times we've moved up to $5.5, we haven't had a starfish on the sell side, so the short squeezes were a bit too weak... but this time, all conditions seem ripe for a breakout. 

I concur about the role bitcoinica plays. I think the stability is also due to an increasing number of passive market-makers (people with bots playing both sides of the order book) - accounting for the increased depth on the order book that others have mentioned. I bet some of these guys are experienced traders playing with pennies compared to the funds they use on wall street. A passive strategy is good for anyone with lots of skin in the game, because its less risky than outright buying a bunch of coin.

I think what we're seeing on MtGox is active traders on bitcoinica betting against passive market-makers. I wonder which side will come out ahead..  Cool
hero member
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bitcoin hundred-aire
There are many reasons why we're stuck in the 4.8-5.5 range right now.  Chief among them:

(1) Psychological S/R after oscillating for a long time
(2) Sheer number of bids/asks
(3) Moves seem to be manipulated; consequently, profit-taking happens right after we get to $5.5 or $4.8.

For a bullish breakout, we need someone to buy a large volume of coins right when the price gets close to the top end, before any asks can form.  This hasn't happened yet because it is a ridiculously stupid thing to buy at $5.5 due to the 3 factors above.

However, there is one account on gox that will be buying in such a situation, and that's Bitcoinica.  For the past three times we've moved up to $5.5, we haven't had a starfish on the sell side, so the short squeezes were a bit too weak... but this time, all conditions seem ripe for a breakout. 

If everything happens correctly, this is it.
hero member
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Why do you think a short squeeze is coming?  If anything, it's already come and gone.
Because it cost more to short bitcoin right now, and cost less to go long. So if it cost more to short bitcoin then alot people are either short or have a highly leverage position or have no us dollars. The interest rate is there so they can have a equilibrium and have bitcoins and US dollars.

So, the price goes up to $5.40ish, the costs of shorting/going long get flipped around, and the price comes back down to ~$5 after dipping below $5 again.

Depends you need to factor in mtgox sellers, are people willing to sell below 5 again and stay in oversold, short squeeze coming and new trading range.
legendary
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Why do you think a short squeeze is coming?  If anything, it's already come and gone.
Because it cost more to short bitcoin right now, and cost less to go long. So if it cost more to short bitcoin then alot people are either short or have a highly leverage position or have no us dollars. The interest rate is there so they can have a equilibrium and have bitcoins and US dollars.

So, the price goes up to $5.40ish, the costs of shorting/going long get flipped around, and the price comes back down to ~$5 after dipping below $5 again.
hero member
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Why do you think a short squeeze is coming?  If anything, it's already come and gone.
Because it cost more to short bitcoin right now, and cost less to go long. So if it cost more to short bitcoin then alot people are either short or have a highly leverage position or have no us dollars. The interest rate is there so they can have a equilibrium and have bitcoins and US dollars.
legendary
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Short Squeeze here we come... maybe they will cover above 5.50

Why do you think a short squeeze is coming?  If anything, it's already come and gone.
hero member
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Short Squeeze here we come... maybe they will cover above 5.50
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And now its more expensive to be short (-$0.14) than long (-$0.11)!

Like taking candy from a baby.. Cheesy
I am not so optimistic .. (waiting for the moment that would buy again)  Tongue Tongue
legendary
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rippleFanatic
And now its more expensive to be short (-$0.14) than long (-$0.11)!

Like taking candy from a baby.. Cheesy
hero member
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lol, i dont think $.09 covers a shorts losses from a rising price  Grin
but if you close the long position 4.95 (just a guess)...
legendary
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rippleFanatic
lol, i dont think $.09 covers a shorts losses from a rising price  Grin
hero member
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Now Bitcoinica is paying shorts...



What happened?

I think, shorting "wave-lemmings"  Tongue
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TokenUnion-Get Rewarded for Holding Crypto
Now Bitcoinica is paying shorts...



What happened?
hero member
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Now we have a much faster order processing system, and guarantee 100 BTC liquidity for a single order. The associated liquidity can be as high as 1000 BTC. (So sometimes you can place a 1000 BTC market order and trade without slippage or re-quotes!)
If the 100 BTC liquidity is true, http://help.bitcoinica.com/kb/apps/liquidity needs to be updated.
I've noticed. Excellent! Now a large limit order is much faster!
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