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Topic: Paying all longs and btc deposits at bitcoinica! - page 2. (Read 3258 times)

legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1077
I just pulled out of Bitcoinica after using it for months.  The algorithm that determines the spread is rigged, I have no other way to explain it.  The interest rates are nice, but if you look at the history they often fall to 0% throughout the day for no reason.  But the spread is horrendous.  The price on goxlive, btccharts, clark moody can be swinging wildly up and down on my screen, and yet the Bitcoinica spread will stay dead flat for hours.  I'm used to watching real forex spreads react immediately to the market up and down all day.  That's ignoring the fact that the spread is super massive, which limits you to swing trading only.  If you overlayed a candlestick chart of Gox on top of the Bitcoinica "Daily Quote" chart you would end up with a huge "WHAT THE FUCK!?" look on your face.  I guess what that does is even make swing trading impossible.  During any big rally or dip the spread takes so long to react it's impossible to actually make a profit.  I suppose if we were back in the days where the price moved $5 at a time you could make money, but not in this current market.

Bitcoinica pricing algorithm is very accurate. However we are not interested in the trading prices. We only concern about the liquidity. Sometimes 50 BTC can move Mt. Gox prices by a few cents, they won't be able to move Bitcoinica prices.

I personally think that Bitcoinica prices are good for offline trading, because it's not the price that was traded by others seconds ago, it is the price that you can trade at, immediately.

Now we have a much faster order processing system, and guarantee 100 BTC liquidity for a single order. The associated liquidity can be as high as 1000 BTC. (So sometimes you can place a 1000 BTC market order and trade without slippage or re-quotes!)
If the 100 BTC liquidity is true, http://help.bitcoinica.com/kb/apps/liquidity needs to be updated.
vip
Activity: 490
Merit: 502
I just pulled out of Bitcoinica after using it for months.  The algorithm that determines the spread is rigged, I have no other way to explain it.  The interest rates are nice, but if you look at the history they often fall to 0% throughout the day for no reason.  But the spread is horrendous.  The price on goxlive, btccharts, clark moody can be swinging wildly up and down on my screen, and yet the Bitcoinica spread will stay dead flat for hours.  I'm used to watching real forex spreads react immediately to the market up and down all day.  That's ignoring the fact that the spread is super massive, which limits you to swing trading only.  If you overlayed a candlestick chart of Gox on top of the Bitcoinica "Daily Quote" chart you would end up with a huge "WHAT THE FUCK!?" look on your face.  I guess what that does is even make swing trading impossible.  During any big rally or dip the spread takes so long to react it's impossible to actually make a profit.  I suppose if we were back in the days where the price moved $5 at a time you could make money, but not in this current market.

Bitcoinica pricing algorithm is very accurate. However we are not interested in the trading prices. We only concern about the liquidity. Sometimes 50 BTC can move Mt. Gox prices by a few cents, they won't be able to move Bitcoinica prices.

I personally think that Bitcoinica prices are good for offline trading, because it's not the price that was traded by others seconds ago, it is the price that you can trade at, immediately.

Now we have a much faster order processing system, and guarantee 100 BTC liquidity for a single order. The associated liquidity can be as high as 1000 BTC. (So sometimes you can place a 1000 BTC market order and trade without slippage or re-quotes!)
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1002
I just pulled out of Bitcoinica after using it for months.  The algorithm that determines the spread is rigged, I have no other way to explain it.  The interest rates are nice, but if you look at the history they often fall to 0% throughout the day for no reason.  But the spread is horrendous.  The price on goxlive, btccharts, clark moody can be swinging wildly up and down on my screen, and yet the Bitcoinica spread will stay dead flat for hours.  I'm used to watching real forex spreads react immediately to the market up and down all day.  That's ignoring the fact that the spread is super massive, which limits you to swing trading only.  If you overlayed a candlestick chart of Gox on top of the Bitcoinica "Daily Quote" chart you would end up with a huge "WHAT THE FUCK!?" look on your face.  I guess what that does is even make swing trading impossible.  During any big rally or dip the spread takes so long to react it's impossible to actually make a profit.  I suppose if we were back in the days where the price moved $5 at a time you could make money, but not in this current market.

I have to agree with most of that.
hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 500
I just pulled out of Bitcoinica after using it for months.  The algorithm that determines the spread is rigged, I have no other way to explain it.  The interest rates are nice, but if you look at the history they often fall to 0% throughout the day for no reason.  But the spread is horrendous.  The price on goxlive, btccharts, clark moody can be swinging wildly up and down on my screen, and yet the Bitcoinica spread will stay dead flat for hours.  I'm used to watching real forex spreads react immediately to the market up and down all day.  That's ignoring the fact that the spread is super massive, which limits you to swing trading only.  If you overlayed a candlestick chart of Gox on top of the Bitcoinica "Daily Quote" chart you would end up with a huge "WHAT THE FUCK!?" look on your face.  I guess what that does is even make swing trading impossible.  During any big rally or dip the spread takes so long to react it's impossible to actually make a profit.  I suppose if we were back in the days where the price moved $5 at a time you could make money, but not in this current market.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1002
Madness is still going on:



Great, now both sides are highly leveraged... no matter where we go from here it's going to get messy real quick.
donator
Activity: 848
Merit: 1005
Madness is still going on:

sr. member
Activity: 321
Merit: 250
Bitbuy.nl!
Starfish on sell!
What does this starfish really mean? No shorts possible? Does this mean that bitcoinica has no bitcoins in reserve?

yeah it means bitcoinica is out of coins to hedge, and there are more people selling than buying internally. Although I thought they stopped this. Perhaps a lot of customers converted their coins to USD internally also.

It presents an interesting problem and opportunity to those so inclined.

They thought of a solution in the way of paying/charging people interest on their deposits/positions and it worked really well for USD liquidity since the interest rates were huge. Since BTC interest rates weren't that attractive until last night it seems people were not interested in storing their BTC in Bitcoinica, but I guess more people will do so now since the APY interest rate for your BTC deposit is currently 6.31%. I think this is a temporary problem.
hero member
Activity: 994
Merit: 1000
Starfish on sell!
What does this starfish really mean? No shorts possible? Does this mean that bitcoinica has no bitcoins in reserve?

yeah it means bitcoinica is out of coins to hedge, and there are more people selling than buying internally. Although I thought they stopped this. Perhaps a lot of customers converted their coins to USD internally also.

It presents an interesting problem and opportunity to those so inclined.
legendary
Activity: 2100
Merit: 1000
Starfish on sell!



What does this starfish really mean? No shorts possible? Does this mean that bitcoinica has no bitcoins in reserve?

Exactly as you say. This means only longs can be convered.

thanks. does does not sound like it is a liquid platform
sr. member
Activity: 321
Merit: 250
Bitbuy.nl!
Starfish on sell!



What does this starfish really mean? No shorts possible? Does this mean that bitcoinica has no bitcoins in reserve?

Exactly as you say. This means only longs can be convered.
hero member
Activity: 609
Merit: 501
peace
I wonder how to understand the interest rates.
If i deposit BTC at Bitcoinica, i get 1.69% a Day ?
That would be a damm good savings Account.

I believe it is 1,68 pip per day.
The APY is 6.33%

1.0633^(1/365) = 1.000168187

So per day, you get right now = 0.0168%
legendary
Activity: 2100
Merit: 1000
Starfish on sell!



What does this starfish really mean? No shorts possible? Does this mean that bitcoinica has no bitcoins in reserve?
sr. member
Activity: 327
Merit: 250
we are legion
I wonder how to understand the interest rates.
If i deposit BTC at Bitcoinica, i get 1.69% a Day ?
That would be a damm good savings Account.
sr. member
Activity: 321
Merit: 250
Bitbuy.nl!
Starfish on sell!

legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1002
http://charts.bitcoinica.com/interest_rates

Did somebody leverage themselves a nice sub-5 dip?
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