Paying full nodes , impossible at this point ? - page 2.

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A low number of full nodes is not much of an issue for those people that run full nodes because by running a full node, they know that transactions transactions they care about are valid. It is however an issue for those people not running a full node because they have no way verify transactions.

In short, there is no reason to pay full nodes because they already get a benefit from being a full node.

Furthermore, it is possible for full nodes to charge non-full nodes for access to their block chain. That would be a better system than being paid out of the block reward.

Quote from: shorena on March 16, 2016, 03:22:44 PM

The question is how do you distinguish a full node from a fake full node.

You can always determine if a node is a full node by quizzing it about transactions in the block chain.

shorena

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Quote from: ATguy on March 16, 2016, 04:10:47 PM

Quote from: shorena on March 16, 2016, 03:22:44 PM

The question is how do you distinguish a full node from a fake full node. Lets assume that is solved. Do you pay a node thats barely running (e.g. 2 hours a day) and holding 8 connections (no inbound connections) the same as one that is online 24/7 and holds >100 connections?

Ideally would be if every full node get few Satoshi for every relayed transaction it receives, check whether valid and relay to other nodes. But it is not technically possible as far as I know.

Maybe, but what is keeping me from relaying valid, but unlikely to confirm (0 fee) TX that would increase my payment?

Quote from: ATguy on March 16, 2016, 04:10:47 PM

What could work is miner asking nodes about BTC address and for every received unique transaction give voluntarily some small part of the fee when including such transaction to the block, though only the nodes directly connected to miner could expect small BTC amounts.

Quote from: unamis76 on March 16, 2016, 04:08:53 PM

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Suggestion box is open in order to avoid fake nodes

I wish I had a solution, but for now Im fine paying 100 EUR a year to run a full node.

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Quote from: shorena on March 16, 2016, 03:22:44 PM

The question is how do you distinguish a full node from a fake full node. Lets assume that is solved. Do you pay a node thats barely running (e.g. 2 hours a day) and holding 8 connections (no inbound connections) the same as one that is online 24/7 and holds >100 connections?

Ideally would be if every full node get few Satoshi for every relayed transaction it receives, check whether valid and relay to other nodes. But it is not technically possible as far as I know.

What could work is miner asking nodes about BTC address and for every received unique transaction give voluntarily some small part of the fee when including such transaction to the block, though only the nodes directly connected to miner could expect small BTC amounts.

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Quote from: Amph on March 16, 2016, 02:36:57 PM

still they are earning more than what they need to operate with their miners, so if they want to help the decentralization, there should be a rule that a % go to the full nodes

i'm not saying that they have not the rights to claim 100% of the fee and the reward, but they should let's say..."donate" a % to the full noders

I agree, they should, and they would probably be doing so if there were less nodes (and then again, I'm not sure if they would, some miners probably think their nodes are enough Cheesy

). That being said, of course they're earning more than they need to operate the miners... Who would mine if they weren't earning more than they need to pay their bills? Cheesy

Quote from: shorena on March 16, 2016, 03:22:44 PM

The question is how do you distinguish a full node from a fake full node. Lets assume that is solved. Do you pay a node thats barely running (e.g. 2 hours a day) and holding 8 connections (no inbound connections) the same as one that is online 24/7 and holds >100 connections?

Identifying fake nodes would be the hardest part, indeed. The second part is probably not a big issue, I think, bitnodes distributed Bitcoin through their rewards program by examining nodes, giving points to those who were contributing more to the networking and distributing funds using this algorithm, so it's possible to prioritize rewards this way.

Suggestion box is open in order to avoid fake nodes

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The question is how do you distinguish a full node from a fake full node. Lets assume that is solved. Do you pay a node thats barely running (e.g. 2 hours a day) and holding 8 connections (no inbound connections) the same as one that is online 24/7 and holds >100 connections?

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Quote from: unamis76 on March 16, 2016, 02:09:11 PM

Quote from: Amph on March 16, 2016, 02:03:47 PM

Quote from: unamis76 on March 16, 2016, 02:02:43 PM

Quote from: Amph on March 16, 2016, 01:58:51 PM

i would give them only a % of the fee for now which should be enough, not a % of the block reward itself

Miners also collect money from fees... So to them it's pretty much the same as taking it from a block.

yeah but i can argue that it's an overkill, they don't really need all this money, so a % can be given to the full noders

It's not overkill. You're mining for the coins... Who tells you miners do not need their coins? I think it's exactly the opposite.

I don't think most miners and pools would be pleased to see a % of their income to be directed towards full nodes, at least for now.

still they are earning more than what they need to operate with their miners, so if they want to help the decentralization, there should be a rule that a % go to the full nodes

i'm not saying that they have not the rights to claim 100% of the fee and the reward, but they should let's say..."donate" a % to the full noders

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Quote from: Amph on March 16, 2016, 02:03:47 PM

Quote from: unamis76 on March 16, 2016, 02:02:43 PM

Quote from: Amph on March 16, 2016, 01:58:51 PM

i would give them only a % of the fee for now which should be enough, not a % of the block reward itself

Miners also collect money from fees... So to them it's pretty much the same as taking it from a block.

yeah but i can argue that it's an overkill, they don't really need all this money, so a % can be given to the full noders

It's not overkill. You're mining for the coins... Who tells you miners do not need their coins? I think it's exactly the opposite.

I don't think most miners and pools would be pleased to see a % of their income to be directed towards full nodes, at least for now.

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Quote from: unamis76 on March 16, 2016, 02:02:43 PM

Quote from: Amph on March 16, 2016, 01:58:51 PM

i would give them only a % of the fee for now which should be enough, not a % of the block reward itself

Miners also collect money from fees... So to them it's pretty much the same as taking it from a block.

yeah but i can argue that it's an overkill, they don't really need all this money, so a % can be given to the full noders

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Quote from: Amph on March 16, 2016, 01:58:51 PM

i would give them only a % of the fee for now which should be enough, not a % of the block reward itself

Miners also collect money from fees... So to them it's pretty much the same as taking it from a block.

Amph

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i would give them only a % of the fee for now which should be enough, not a % of the block reward itself

unamis76

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It's probably technically possible, but impossible in practice.

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I was wondering if it would be possible (easily) for the Core developers to simply edit the source and make the Full nodes gets % of bitcoin from what the miners are getting on the first place ? something like DASH is doing or Maidsafe network is planning to do . and what do you think about it ?

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