Topic: PB Mining -- 5 year mining contracts! - page 153. (Read 378920 times)

The problem is that if they do that, without a court order, they are treading unsafe legal ground. My sentiments echo yours, but let's face it: Laws are mainly made by criminals, and if you aren't one yourself, it's very easy to get crosswise. I think they need to reach an agreement acceptable to all parties, and amend their TOS for future intervention if it ever happens again. Not ideal, by any means, but probably pbmining's best option at this time.

Androhide, just go to the police with this, you have enough proofs that he stole from you. I don't think that just for the criminal to return the stolen BTC it will make things right. If this would be truth than everybody would been stealing and if they get cought then just return the stolen goods. It doesn't work like that. I wouldn't feel good to know that my GH provider is working with criminals. Please just ban him, cancel all his referals and the GH that he bought donate it to a good cause for the time of contract. He comited fraud and now he must suport the consequences. He belongs in prison!

no sir i mean clarification with him in pm kaskus and i contact him in phone to and clearing this case
i contact him on pm in forum kaskus and now i try call him il be show the proof now

I thought you said you already sent it to him?  So did you lie about that?

i will buy and send it now and il be confirm to androhide and pbmining as fast in 3 hours
iil be confirmed in pm as fast . Please wait

Don't lies anymore..
But if you really want to return, i will reconsider it to have a win win solution.
I'm still waiting total +/- 0.13 BTC to return please
1KJcH9sc4JM1g1LRgEnPRGaTVRrctBorQ1

I have been dealing with users all week who have claimed to have their accounts hacked.  They all have the referrer "theoldman".  Anyways, if you are ready to be show some remorse rather than trying to sugar coat your actions, then please continue this conversation through e-mail or PM.

I just talked to the victim which you claimed to have paid back. He says you did not pay him back. Can you please PM me the transaction to show that you did?

I swear no one get hacked of my refferals expect andro3007 he one and only have problem and has ben solved dirrect with me and all has going good , you can check all my refferal all in good way without any issue because just him , only him . And indonesian thread in here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/indonesia-indonesian-160758

Anyways, I believe we are doing the right thing with this situation as far as the temporary hold is concerned.  We still need some communicators so if anybody knows Indonesian (and fluent English) please let me know via PM.  If we don't find anyone through here then we may consider finding a professional translator.

You are the only one in this conversation who mentioned the possibility of stealing.  Nobody recommended that.  One thing I know for sure, is that we are not going to be converting all of his referral contracts to BTC and sending them to him.  That, IMO, would be cooperating with a criminal and that would make us responsible for a much bigger problem.  

Paying out the BTC for his referral contracts sounds like a pat on the back.  He will just continue the abuse of our system if we do that.  The best I can do at this moment is freeze the account until we get a clearer understanding of the damages involved, and help the victims as much as we can.

firstly i purchase contract with pbmining https://blockchain.info/tx/86098ca269d8f31183c9b91652c33cc87ac355590aa64ec8f4bc3f248d6a8045

and I would like to add my power hashes. and I sold all my GHS cex.io and moved completely to pbmining and withdraw from this transaction cex.io

transaction withdraw from cex.io https://blockchain.info/tx/467f4fbedd418432ee491a41b553a96e269b5ecbba4a27abbbfa7fef733365d2

and then I bought the full withdrawal of all btc of my cex.io to moved with pbmining. the price around 0.0056 every 1 GHS
this transaction when buy contract with pbmining

https://blockchain.info/tx/8cff2c1e03322dbf467e7d60d7624aee2f630fa689567346c53d1e36d198a924

and this document of picture when my first contract active with my own money
http://s3.postimg.org/hugb204ir/7cc6e748060119ef6913b0cb5c0f6863.jpg

and when i received my first paidout from pbmining i create full good review and bring all people in my country to moved from cex.io to pbmining
http://s29.postimg.org/twedhexg7/432.png
this thread
http://www.kaskus.co.id/thread/5349d6fdf9ca1750348b4724/cloud-mining-bitcoin-official-kaskus-on-pbmining-review-lengkap
i serve they all about pbmining full contact with me . because im really serious to get refferal of my account include dirrect chat BBM with me
and i get very great impression from people in my country
s30.postimg.org/oyr5l5x4h/gtdx.png

and from april until i still active to share pbmining and tell the best cloud mining
now my refferal still contact with me in bbm and chat about bitcoin investment.

and the beginning of June what the devil in my mind to think hack my refferals.
and i buy keylogger to get account pbmining . but just 1 or 2 people download it and log in .
and just one people the password of pbmining same with their email . the account name is andro3007

and i take payment andro3007 around 0.10 one time . because in the next payment the account name of andro3007 back to him again
and my account full freeze until now.


I admit I did something very stupid and should not be like that. I still have many dreams and plans in my bitcoin will not touch / try to find out about hacking again and actually I still need to pay the bills to the bank each month.
honestly it makes me so confused. and frustated. I swear to god.never do this again this case really makes me sad and feel bad right now


Edit : and i makes 2,6Ths active in my refferal and i believe many contract out there in my theead active without join my refferal , and no one have case or get hacked expect andro3007 because him one and only i can log in with he email

i second... total common sense here.. pay attention...  stealing doesnt justify stealing

omg pb...well there it is, this is who has our btc...we are fucked.... the laws in indonesia, are you kidding, theydo not apply to u unless you are in indonesia... not returning the difference makes you a criminal.... you and byt411 belong together...really? his referrals are a moot point, he never paid for referrals (really!!! this is insane i wish i never saw this) referall reward??? really?no pb referals are gone,just gone do what u want with them- who cares---his contract btc is his minus what he stole- since it seems the new contract concept in the form of the amount that is left over after victims are paid back is complicated just send the thief back what is his after everybody is paid back from the original purchase amount- holding somebodies btc till you think you know what another countries laws are is fucked- it doesnt even make sense-

see the word initial

"so here it is- you wait till you are sure all victims have been discovered and reimbursed then you take his initial investment lets say 5btc .......... 5btc - btc paid back to victims - btc earned mining = amount old man gets back

lets be clear about 1 thing ... u keep that dudes money your a thief now,,, doing the right thing is the exact opposite as cooperating with a thief...

I think it was a bit of a mistake for PBMinning to air this out in the open. Sure, old.man started it.

If as old.man stated he personally paid for some of the hash, I think that is more of an issue. If 100% of his hash is from referals, I would just cancel them all, and ban him. Of course, there is no way to know if he will do this again.

Choosing to be a thief, getting a key logger, putting it into a program, tricking people into d/l-ing and installing it, then stealing peoples bit coins from the info gleened from the key loggers is not an "accident". It is willfull and took forethought and planning. You can't get off with a "my bad".

That said, I trust PBMining to do the right thing. I would suggest they review their ToS wrt issues like this. I think cloudhashing has something in their ToS where your contract is terminated and you get no further payouts if they detect fraud.

The way I see it:

• 1) Return the victim amounts to the victims and make sure their PB accounts are fine and their contacts are being fulfilled - they have done nothing wrong and paid for their contacts, they should be getting the service they contracted. You'll have to get these amounts from the perpetrator's balance - if he has stolen from them, this constitutes the returning of the stolen values.
  
• 2) Revisit your terms of agreement and contract and make sure there's something there that allows you to void it. If so, proceed accordingly. As long as the situation taken place constitutes a violation of the contract and, therefore, it is voided, you can do whatever is set forth under the contract clauses/terms of service for void.
  
  

If 1) and 2) are done, it's the end of the issue, no matter how much discussion it may still induce in this thread or elsewhere.

However, should there not be any provisioning for such situations in the terms/contact, you have the problem of jurisdiction - either your local laws' general provision for the situation apply or the perpetrator's do.

Either way, you can't be sure without proper juridic and law enforcement support, and even then, since you are not running a business that requires KYC procedures (assuming everything else is accordingly to the laws you're abiding) , it might be impossible to determine the perpetrator's identity ... and a complaint against John Doe will only become a nightmare from wich you will never get out from

In such case, after 1) is done and verified, you'll have to reactivate the perpetrator's account and provide him with the service he contracted, including all the payments withhold until then, or else, you'll be the one voiding the contract by not fulfilling it accordingly.

This, I know, really sucks and will probably get a lot of us wondering about PB, besides giving you a hell of a headache for sure :/ - but it's the only way for you to proceed, in such a setting.

Anyway, afterwards, you must draw a new terms of service/contract for any future contracts, that include the necessary clauses to handle these type of situations - all new contracts will be protected from this ever happening again.

For the present and running contracts, however, you'll have to communicate the new terms and allow for contract owners to either accept the new terms or reject them.

• In the first stance, their contracts go on as usual and the new terms apply, because they have willingly accepted the changes - it constitutes a revision of the terms accepted by both parties, so no issues derive from it.
  
• Should they not accept the new terms, you can terminate the contract, but only if the original terms of service provided a way to do so. If it doesn't, you're screwed, as you're obliged to keep fulfilling those contracts under the original terms, until they expire.
  

The way you go about this will be of the utmost importance for all of us, and, on my part, Ill be wiling to accept new revised terms to avoid any future theft like this one - but only if I think you're handling of these matters and your integrity are worthy of such, as up until now.

I'm sure each and every contract owner will also show you how they feel and are willing to act and support you - some will do it here, publicly, others will do it privately, but you'll get the feedback you need.
You should, however, use the website to convey the situation, as not every contract owner comes here

Best of luck and lots of calm and reflected thinking for this. It is a defining moment.

you are the dumbest person i have ever met please ignore my posts.. i can ignore all of your posts that dont involve me.. i said to subtract what is owed already and you act like you came up with a new idea...its the same idea, if u assume all people are as dumb as you then you will always be making these retarted clarifications... i was nice about it the first time..so please add me to your ignore list byt411... u are a crazy person