Topic: PB Mining -- 5 year mining contracts! - page 154. (Read 378920 times)

This is the appropriate course of action, but please may I suggest a slightly alternative plan. Instead of canceling his contracts and paying the remaining back according to your formula, his bought contracts should be left as is, but all of his weekly earnings won't be paid out to him. Instead, the victims will get compensated according to the amount they lost, and PBMining will reimbruise these victims. OldMan is now in debt with PBMining, and the weekly earnings will be deducted from this debt until all of it is cleared.
I suggest this because if PBMinings adds a contract of the value he should be compensated by wouldn't be fair, since these contracts are supposed to expire in 5 years, so the date wouldn't be correct, and a bit extra would be paid back.
If you compensate him with BTC directly, it would be better for him since he can re-invest this BTC, and do the above.

Seems there are working on it, for more details:

https://twitter.com/cloudflaresys

Returning any hash power to Oldman could be seen as cooperation with a criminal as well; all we do know is that referral credits were made with a very malicious intent.  So far the best option I can see in the long-term is to store his payouts in a separate wallet until we are have a clearer answer on what to do with them, hopefully by someone with an understanding of the laws in his jurisdiction (Indonesia?).  The amount owing to the victims is very small compared to what he had built up.  It appears that his referrals amounted to about 2.6TH/s 751GHs, which is significant amount.

More opinions are welcome.  

edit: It also appears (from what I can see on the admin side) that all of his hash power is from referrals, with no purchases.  I will need help from one of my developers in getting the complete history since I can only see 100 referrals back, but since the end of April that is the case.  He joined in the middle of March.

hello pb-we rarely get this chance to talk - your in a tough spot

well, of course return lost or stolen coin to victims- if this is impossible due to the amount stole devide it up proportionally ---- you can contact law enforcement - but that could in a way be victimizing to you (you like privacy), you should offer him the opportunity to contact law enforcement(but lets face it he wont chose this) - so here it is- you wait till you are sure all victims have been discovered and reimbursed then you take his initial investment lets say 5btc .......... 5btc - btc paid back to victims - btc earned mining = amount old man gets back (or equals the new value of contract just in case returning btc victimizes you more)... but i dont think you should keep btc for yourself that is a slippery slope and without a court award its theft.. if you ever are in a court case your integrity would be damaged or theft proven... thieving from a thief is wrong.. but with tx id it could shut some haters up ( same with contract equivalency-for this choice give him a choice - for btc sent back, no say so needed) you would be protected from any wrong doing... any effort lost is recompensable only if repoted to the legal system...

he is a thief but he is still a human being deserving of inalienable human rights...even after a crime... you may make a choice but it will reflect on all of us.. take a deep breath ... pat yourself on the back for job well done and make the right decision even if it isnt easy .......you can get co-signers to encourage you to do the wrong thing but it will reflect on you

i guess we will see what happens, i am curious to see what kind of person i lease gh from

I have submitted a ticket with Cloudflare in attempt to get a better understanding of what's going on.

Rodeoclown what do you think the appropriate course of action is, exactly?

dude we are so past that- why do u even post please ignore me- its not giving " funds........ back to the victims"... funds that belong to the victims are theirs, nobody is giving them anything-the "funds" are theirs.... it is the funds that belong to "the old man" that are in question- and who can make that decision does not equal who should make that decision... right now pb has control but that doesnt mean he has the right to disseminate punitive damages... if "old man" is thrown out of mining, what people think should happen to his gh does not mean it is what should happen... this  

Yeah, I've been having issues accessing PBMining as well from the Netherlands. Most of the riches are in the wallet now though (YAY for PayDay!), so not much to see. Or actually... already spent today's payment. Oink...

Ok thanks so that was indeed the problem,  London and Amsterdam also : https://www.cloudflare.com/system-status

Lol.... I'm sorry if I annoyed you, I have no idea how my response would have done so. And I thought it was quite obvious, the funds will be given back to the victims, as PBMining said, we need someone that can communicate properly with the victims so that we can compensate them. PBMining is in no way a thief, PBMining is a victim too since they have to sort out this mess.

yes- thanks for stating the obvious- we are past that- what happens to the funds is the issue- who gets them-"but freezing an account should not benefit the person freezing it- the person freezing it could have valid points such as " i have had to do extra work because of your stealing" but the person freezing it should not get to also make a legal ruling and therefore become a theif also- u dont let the accused or the victim rule as a jury or judge"

i can always count on you byt411 to fumble the ball with a kissy ass opinion- "teacher you forgot to asign homework" - just add me to your ignore list-you are so anoying-no response please just buhby

The btc is still there, it hasn't been confiscated by PBMining. The police usually do the same, when you are under suspicion for money laundering for example, your bank accounts get frozen, but if you are proven innocent, they are unfrozen and you can have your money back.
But this guy is obviously guilty, he admitted it.

yes law enforcment- dont sink to his level-good catch thanks for protecting people-sorry u even have to be in this position...

I really support how PBMining is handling this. If you ever unban his account (wich I strongly advise against it) at least take all his refferals away.

i think that if everday somebody posted the meanest thing possible like they were "glad your mother died" it is just words and freedom of speech (freedom to piss people off) should be protected. but stealing is different, stealing should be dealt with by the law-this man should answer to law enforcment- in this case i support pb freezing the account in order to take the case to law enforcment, and (i am very against this type of action no account should ever be frozen for any reason- but stealing)... but freezing an account should not benefit the person freezing it- the person freezing it could have valid points such as " i have had to do extra work because of your stealing" but the person freezing it should not get to also make a legal ruling and therefore become a theif also- u dont let the accused or the victim rule as a jury or judge... i would support random 12 member panel of miners.... to be fare even to accused... or law enforcement should be notified so "old man" can have a face to face with "the man"

He registered with his real name, and I could find his twitter account very easily with a picture of him on it.  I may be violating privacy terms by publishing his name and picture here, but I would readily give it to any law enforcement official if I had the chance.  His name is very easy to find, as he seems to throw it around quite a bit.  Unfortunately the forum where he has found most of his victims is full of non-english speakers, so you can imagine how hard it has been to communicate with them when they come to me with hacked accounts.  

If anybody can communicate in Indonesian, I would appreciate some assistance in opening up a better communication channel between the victims of Oldman's attack.  We need someone fluent in both languages.

It looks like CloudFlare's server in Frankfurt is having some problems, it's probably that.

Germoney

Yes, could be because the Android App worked and balance counted up.

In what country are you? Might be CloudFlare region-based problems.

"the.old.man" in my computer hmm not think so 


Working again some problem with cloudflare said website is offline, dunno maybe problem my internet connection.