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Topic: Petition to pass the Bitcoin Alert Keys to Andreas M. Antonopoulos (w/POLL) (Read 2882 times)

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Eh. If he was going to abuse the alert key, don't you think he would have promoted XT with it by now? I think he's still responsible enough to hold onto the key.

XT isn't bad. It's the fire under the community to get a decision out of us.
legendary
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Take fiat money for example, why people blindly trust those pieces of paper even they knows that central banks print those notes faster than printing books? Andreas just revealed part of the reason: We live in an era where fear has overcome reason. It is difficult to understand fiat money's value without taking enough time to dig into the psychology root of each people's unconscious behavior. However, if you fail to understand how the value of a currency is based on, then your decision might destroy a currency like many currency makers did during past several hundred years

I think we can find easy ways to explain monetary theory to people. It's tough to get your head around hihg level explanations, but I've succeeded in finding ways of explaining it to some fairly simple minded people. Using examples (and choosing the example carefully) is often what works.

I quit reading after "hihg" (probably vectoring from there to explaining things to simpletons who possibly get high).  Tongue Tongue Tongue Perhaps, you had Hajj on your mind.  Cry (in the news). FWIW, I love your post, bud.

lol fan of your work Gleb, looking forward to more.
legendary
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I like Andreas a lot as a speaker but I don't think he is qualified enough technically as a stablished coder to held the keys, but by all means I trust him more than Gavin. In fact im not even sure the holder of the keys should be an expert coder but a figure that has good intentions for Bitcoin and Andreas is known for that. I would personally go for Nick Szabo and Andreas as the key holders, Gmaxwell as well, it's a good diversification.
vip
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To be honest, there is really no known good way of communication in a decentralized society, people just won't listen to any one but themselves (No authorities)  Grin

An uncensored forum is the best possible place to collect all the views from different sides

I suggest that Alert Keys be distributed to Trustees of any uncensored forum so that bias posts could be immediately deleted so not to disrupt the status quo.  Roll Eyes
legendary
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Beyond Imagination
To be honest, there is really no known good way of communication in a decentralized society, people just won't listen to any one but themselves (No authorities)  Grin

An uncensored forum is the best possible place to collect all the views from different sides
staff
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Just writing some code
for the un-enlightened amongst us, can someone summarize what an "alert key" would allow the holder to do? and what implications that would have
A holder of the alert key can send alert messages that will appear at the top of Bitcoin Core. All it really does now is to inform people that there is a situation with the Bitcoin network and that they should check Bitcoin.org for more information.

It could be used to cause a panic e.g. someone sends out an alert saying that an upgrade is necessary even though such an upgrade is not necessary. However, other alerts can cancel out previous alerts and one alert message type displays a static "Alert Key Compromised" which cannot be canceled and does not allow any further alerts signed with the alert key.
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for the un-enlightened amongst us, can someone summarize what an "alert key" would allow the holder to do? and what implications that would have
legendary
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The Dude Of DopeCoin
I see nothing wrong with him not having the keys!  Grin
vip
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Devs can also improve their knowledge in other area, but that will also cost a lot of time. If it takes 10 years for a smart person to become an expert in coding, then it might take 20 years for him to become an expert in economy and finance, simply because the society and economy is not really a science, they are much more difficult to learn and understand, everything in those area are highly political and full of illusions

Strongly disagree.

There are 2 academic disciplines that are often cited as being the most employable: Mathematics and Philosophy. These two subjects are said to bestow their adherents with the most flexible (and most abstract) reasoning capabilities. And so the abilities of people well versed in either to take on a wholly new subject matter and understand & learn it are naturally advantaged over those that are untrained.

Computer scientists, especially the accomplished ones working on Core, are missing from the above mentioned truism IMO. You need excellent math to do Computer Science well, but what outsiders often fail to understand is that an accomplished computer scientist also needs language and psychology skills (language for understanding the programming idioms and psychology for designing the user experience).

If anyone can learn the economics, sociology and political theory needed for cryptocurrency design context, it's computer scientists like these people. gmaxwell has already demonstrated a sophisticated grasp of social and political theory; he introduced me, for instance, to the value of keeping your financial information well guarded, or that the 2nd worst thing after being prevented from reading is having your reading monitored and prescribed to you.

Take fiat money for example, why people blindly trust those pieces of paper even they knows that central banks print those notes faster than printing books? Andreas just revealed part of the reason: We live in an era where fear has overcome reason. It is difficult to understand fiat money's value without taking enough time to dig into the psychology root of each people's unconscious behavior. However, if you fail to understand how the value of a currency is based on, then your decision might destroy a currency like many currency makers did during past several hundred years

I think we can find easy ways to explain monetary theory to people. It's tough to get your head around hihg level explanations, but I've succeeded in finding ways of explaining it to some fairly simple minded people. Using examples (and choosing the example carefully) is often what works.

I quit reading after "hihg" (probably vectoring from there to explaining things to simpletons who possibly get high).  Tongue Tongue Tongue Perhaps, you had Hajj on your mind.  Cry (in the news). FWIW, I love your post, bud.
legendary
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Beyond Imagination
Devs can also improve their knowledge in other area, but that will also cost a lot of time. If it takes 10 years for a smart person to become an expert in coding, then it might take 20 years for him to become an expert in economy and finance, simply because the society and economy is not really a science, they are much more difficult to learn and understand, everything in those area are highly political and full of illusions

Strongly disagree.

There are 2 academic disciplines that are often cited as being the most employable: Mathematics and Philosophy. These two subjects are said to bestow their adherents with the most flexible (and most abstract) reasoning capabilities. And so the abilities of people well versed in either to take on a wholly new subject matter and understand & learn it are naturally advantaged over those that are untrained.

Take fiat money for example, why people blindly trust those pieces of paper even they knows that central banks print those notes faster than printing books? Andreas just revealed part of the reason: We live in an era where fear has overcome reason. It is difficult to understand fiat money's value without taking enough time to dig into the psychology root of each people's unconscious behavior. However, if you fail to understand how the value of a currency is based on, then your decision might destroy a currency like many currency makers did during past several hundred years

I think we can find easy ways to explain monetary theory to people. It's tough to get your head around hihg level explanations, but I've succeeded in finding ways of explaining it to some fairly simple minded people. Using examples (and choosing the example carefully) is often what works.

If you can use a mathematical formula to calculate the finance market, then you are already the world richest by trading options or foreign currencies, because you will calculate out the exact price of tomorrow and always double your money in a couple of hours Grin

The difficulty with economy and finance is not that you don't have enough skill, but you don't have enough information. All the information you can collect are misleading, purposely


legendary
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Devs can also improve their knowledge in other area, but that will also cost a lot of time. If it takes 10 years for a smart person to become an expert in coding, then it might take 20 years for him to become an expert in economy and finance, simply because the society and economy is not really a science, they are much more difficult to learn and understand, everything in those area are highly political and full of illusions

Strongly disagree.

There are 2 academic disciplines that are often cited as being the most employable: Mathematics and Philosophy. These two subjects are said to bestow their adherents with the most flexible (and most abstract) reasoning capabilities. And so the abilities of people well versed in either to take on a wholly new subject matter and understand & learn it are naturally advantaged over those that are untrained.

Computer scientists, especially the accomplished ones working on Core, are missing from the above mentioned truism IMO. You need excellent math to do Computer Science well, but what outsiders often fail to understand is that an accomplished computer scientist also needs language and psychology skills (language for understanding the programming idioms and psychology for designing the user experience).

If anyone can learn the economics, sociology and political theory needed for cryptocurrency design context, it's computer scientists like these people. gmaxwell has already demonstrated a sophisticated grasp of social and political theory; he introduced me, for instance, to the value of keeping your financial information well guarded, or that the 2nd worst thing after being prevented from reading is having your reading monitored and prescribed to you.

Take fiat money for example, why people blindly trust those pieces of paper even they knows that central banks print those notes faster than printing books? Andreas just revealed part of the reason: We live in an era where fear has overcome reason. It is difficult to understand fiat money's value without taking enough time to dig into the psychology root of each people's unconscious behavior. However, if you fail to understand how the value of a currency is based on, then your decision might destroy a currency like many currency makers did during past several hundred years

I think we can find easy ways to explain monetary theory to people. It's tough to get your head around hihg level explanations, but I've succeeded in finding ways of explaining it to some fairly simple minded people. Using examples (and choosing the example carefully) is often what works.
legendary
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People that don't want to see alerts can easily run a version of Bitcoin Core with that feature disabled. If everyone does that then alert keys mean nothing.
legendary
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Ok, If you allow Andreas to have those keys... we will all sing this ---> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sLR0vgpeWI  He will shake things a bit, and those engineers will

not know where to hide. He is a brilliant speaker, and a passionate Bitcoiner... and I like him to bits... but if I am honest with myself... I would say he will be to much for those

guys at MIT. If I had a key, I would lend it to him, just to give life to the boring party.  Grin
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Why not multisig alert keys, so that two or more holders have to agree on a message?
hero member
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What got you asking this Gleb?
sr. member
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Loose lips sink sigs!
Andreas for President! (after McAfee)

That's fine the President (for any country) doesn't have access to the Bitcoin Alert Keys...
legendary
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Andreas for President! (after McAfee)
sr. member
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Loose lips sink sigs!
The bitcoin alert key should be taken from Gavin for his attempt to go his own way without, he's abused the privilege. Let it be a lesson that significant changes need to be socialized and shopped and come with significant support from the community (not just the developers). The community can leave bitcoin for another option just as eagerly as we all want to stay...it would be troublesome but it could happen.

Satoshi and Theymos are the only two who've shown genuine interest for the community...this it the test that needs to be passed.
tss
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Please vote if you desire or not for Andreas M. Antonopoulos to have the Bitcoin Alert Keys currently being held by Satoshi, Gavin Andresen, and theymos.

EDIT: This is provin' to be interesting and unexpected. Please continue the convo, guys, and thanks for the inputs.

while we're at it lets make Mark karpeles and Ross ulbricht become Bitcoin jail pen pals because it just makes so much sense you know?

next up on jail house news.  ulbricht shanks karpeles over a coffee stash.
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