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February 19, 2018, 06:04:56 AM
#30
Christianity and Islam are pretty much about the same, and the characters are the same, just presented in different foil
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February 03, 2018, 11:30:24 AM
#29
Nothing is perfect, hence, everything is perfect.
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January 25, 2018, 11:43:22 PM
#28
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legendary
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August 20, 2017, 04:47:38 PM
#27
I have to point out that communism is the opposite of fascism

Sorry to disappoint you, but they are not. They're basically the very same thing with a different name.

Prior to talk of left and right and use meaningless graphics, where the only point is "they're left because they call themselves that way", you need to know and define exactly what those sides are and what they stand for.
On the beginning it was easy, Jacobins and Girondins, Jacobins sit on the left side of the French parliament (hence the name) and Girondins on the right. Jacobins were radical and wanted to eradicate all wealthy persons, Girondins were moderated and seek understanding of the French classes. So on the beginning it just means radical (left) or moderated (right).
No need to say, a couple of centuries later, when communism showed up, there was already nobody on the "left", so they took the empty spot and are marketing it ever since.

So what it means now?
As the communists got to be the "owners of the left" (it should have a TM after it) basically you're "left" if they say so. Nazis were... until 1942, then they suddenly got to "extreme-right", was more of a "copyright violation" than a political sphere movement.
On the political compass left and right are separated by own much the state controls the economy; from "all of it" (extreme-left) to "nothing at all" (extreme-right). On this compass, Fascism, Nazism, Communism are close neighbors, on all of them the state has full control over the economy. On the other axis that goes with your individual freedom, they're also on the Authoritarian side.

So, as you see, you're just reacting to marketing about the very same product. In philosophy when you do the same, you're the same.

As a footnote, a North Korean girl if get pregnant from a foreigner will be forced to abort; they're extremely racist.

EDIT: This is how "antifa" reacts to Hitler's speeches when they don't know the author btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=derHRFGZ4NU
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August 20, 2017, 09:36:55 AM
#26
Religion in the modern world is completely unnecessary. But a little philosophy and good education will not hurt.
Most Religions preach that their members live pious and holy lives loving one another, With regards to Buddhist, they are the most peaceful people in the world and its all attributed not to their personality but their religion, even though some religion like Islam tell their members to kill non Muslims who they term as infidels, not all religions does that. Religion is very much important in this current world.
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August 20, 2017, 09:23:51 AM
#25
Fascism (including all flavors; Nazism, Communism, Islam, and so on); because there're limits for what and how far you can go on stuck your nose into other people's affairs! Making it worse, most of fascists and similar ideologies believe to have an "one-size fits all" response for all humanity issues, making them far more of a problem than a solution.

I have to point out that communism is the opposite of fascism

Fascism is defined as:
Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce, that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

Communism is not characterized by authoritarian nationalism, dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, or government control of industry (public ownership is not the same as government/dictatorial ownership)

Fascism is far right-wing on the political spectrum

Communism is far left-wing on the political spectrum



These ideas are diametrically opposed

You cannot simply lump all the things you don't like into a single category... that's not how philosophy works
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August 20, 2017, 04:36:40 AM
#24
but we still must uphold order and live the virtues that a man should have. Virtues and morals are necessary to keep everyone safe and live peaceful in a society, without these elements instead of enjoying our life to the fullest our lives will be shorten. Thus if there are no second life we must make earth a heaven to live in and to make it possible living the moral and ethical virtues is the key to this.

Exactly, if you make it a ruthless anarchy at first you'll be destroying others' right for their heaven and in the long term you'll be ruining your own heaven as the society around you crumbles to dust.
Society around already so stuck in dirt. But the saddest, that it likes them and they do not want to get out from this dirt. It can be in the future, but not now.
legendary
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May 16, 2017, 07:56:34 PM
#23
Religion in the modern world is completely unnecessary. But a little philosophy and good education will not hurt.

Religion - all of them - is just a convenient and irrational way to impose philosophic views. By impose conducts to society on this way instead of have to go through a hard and long rational discussion, which I believe was a hard to do with caveman, with little to no logical thinking abilities whatsoever, the philosopher takes a simply "because God(s) want". Making of it a discussion dead end.
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May 09, 2017, 05:55:22 AM
#22
Religion in the modern world is completely unnecessary. But a little philosophy and good education will not hurt.
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May 09, 2017, 05:19:14 AM
#21
I don't agree with you, because I think that virtues and morals are something that you learn from your parents. Life teach us to enjoy it to the fullest, but that doesn't change the fact that something are bad. Buddhism teaches people to enjoy life and many other things. And i don't see chaos in buddhistic countries.
And if the parent's don't teach us anything, what should we do? Be immoral all our lives because we never had a proper example, or maybe work and shape ourselves into decent human beings? I wasn't taught much by my parents, so I can relate.
I understand what you want to say, and in that case it is a lot harder for a person. Most of things about life is learned from parents, but even after when we grow up, we are still learning. The whole life is learning, but the real question is what you want to do. Your situation is as it is, and there is no solution for changing past, but what you chose to do now as an adult is your choice and your alone. People can change if they want, and that is truth.
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May 08, 2017, 09:03:02 PM
#20
Mutual respect for religious norms
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May 08, 2017, 08:53:02 PM
#19
I don't agree with you, because I think that virtues and morals are something that you learn from your parents. Life teach us to enjoy it to the fullest, but that doesn't change the fact that something are bad. Buddhism teaches people to enjoy life and many other things. And i don't see chaos in buddhistic countries.
And if the parent's don't teach us anything, what should we do? Be immoral all our lives because we never had a proper example, or maybe work and shape ourselves into decent human beings? I wasn't taught much by my parents, so I can relate.


The ideology makes each Muslim the police of the other Muslims, by "punishing" the "wrongdoer" and the bystander if he does nothing. And by wrongdoer we're talking about someone not going by their religion rules, not exactly a broad definition of this word.
Judaism is mainly a by-example religion, Islam is mainly a by-command. By-example means the story is told on "we did this and that", by-command is by direct orders of "you must do this and that". But by referring Marcionism, I'm already excluding Judaism, which is, in Christianity, the Old Testament.
They have too many rules in their lives. Don't do this, don't do that everywhere they look. Wear this, don't wear that, eat this, don't eat that, pray, eat, sleep, beat your wife, rape a child, build a bomb, kill the infidel... Did that escalate too quickly? Grin
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May 08, 2017, 11:56:16 AM
#18
Let's elevate the dialog and speak about our ideologies and what philosophic branches we fancy or otherwise?
Here's my main philosophy views and why:

Core:


Epicureanism; because nothing really matters, no matter how important or how serious you think you are, life is just a short journey, eventually we all be forgotten, bury deep in the sands of time. So enjoy your ride, make as much of the World a Paradise it can be; there's no second tickets and most likely no afterlife (at least none of the known afterlife theories makes any sense at all).

Rationalism: because all subjects must be discussed upon reason and information.

Simple things of life

Christianity (New Testament strict - Marcionism); whereas OT is abhorrent and violent, NT removed of its "mystical stuff" can be a good philosophic source.

Opposing

Fascism (including all flavors; Nazism, Communism, Islam, and so on); because there're limits for what and how far you can go on stuck your nose into other people's affairs! Making it worse, most of fascists and similar ideologies believe to have an "one-size fits all" response for all humanity issues, making them far more of a problem than a solution.

Sophism: As the major enemy of Rationalism, Sophism intents that "pretend to be right" by using twisted or broken logic (fallacies) is more important than anything else.

Hypocrisy: Pretty much the same as above but on the realm of "appearing to do good" is more important than actually do any good at all.

Supremacist branches (Nazism, Islam, KKK, BLM and so on); because I believe it to be more fair if everyone has the same rights regardless of skin color, religion, ethnicity or whatever insane reason or excuse used to it.
This is an interesting topic you have made. People around me tells me that I am a philosopher and that i need to be shorter when I'm speaking. That could be right, but i don't agree, because i don't see myself as a philosopher. If I would need to pick from what you said I think I would go with Epicureanism. Simply it is most reasonable, and I totally agree with it.
legendary
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May 08, 2017, 06:20:05 AM
#17
After years of learning philosophy I've made conclusion that nothing is that constant like sophistry, and now it's only thing which I believe.

Just a bit of hypocrisy and a nice smile and you'll be the perfect politician around.
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April 20, 2017, 06:01:52 AM
#16
After years of learning philosophy I've made conclusion that nothing is that constant like sophistry, and now it's only thing which I believe.
legendary
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March 28, 2017, 04:41:56 AM
#15
Just look at Muslims, I pity them, they live a shitty life and make life shitty to their peers in hope of going to a paradise that, if you think about it, is worse than Hell; all you've is sex and praise everyday an "immortal Gaddafi" with severe self-esteem problems.

Ok, you need to explain this to me. Can you?

In what way do Muslims live a shitty life and/or make life shitty to their peers? Give me some real examples. Where in their good book are these tenets preached?

I think you're applying a broad stroke based on the action of just a few.

And you didn't mention Judaism.

The ideology makes each Muslim the police of the other Muslims, by "punishing" the "wrongdoer" and the bystander if he does nothing. And by wrongdoer we're talking about someone not going by their religion rules, not exactly a broad definition of this word.
Judaism is mainly a by-example religion, Islam is mainly a by-command. By-example means the story is told on "we did this and that", by-command is by direct orders of "you must do this and that". But by referring Marcionism, I'm already excluding Judaism, which is, in Christianity, the Old Testament.
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March 28, 2017, 12:08:31 AM
#14
Just look at Muslims, I pity them, they live a shitty life and make life shitty to their peers in hope of going to a paradise that, if you think about it, is worse than Hell; all you've is sex and praise everyday an "immortal Gaddafi" with severe self-esteem problems.

Ok, you need to explain this to me. Can you?

In what way do Muslims live a shitty life and/or make life shitty to their peers? Give me some real examples. Where in their good book are these tenets preached?

I think you're applying a broad stroke based on the action of just a few.

And you didn't mention Judaism.
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March 27, 2017, 09:36:40 PM
#13
I'm Core, but damn you start it off on a depressing tone. "We'll all be forgotten...buried in the sands of time"

Interesting that you put Islam in the Fascism category. Where do other Religions not mentioned go - Judaism, Buddhist, Hindu - ?

I look at religions as philosophies, because at the very end that's what they are, and most are imposed philosophies, the more the religion imposes itself into society the more they are a fascist thing. Islam excels on this point.
For Hinduism and Shintoism I strongly oppose their social structure, because I'm egalitarian I don't like any ideology that supports the concept of born rights and untouchables.

As for the depressive sentence, Epicurean demands that we accept our fate and reality as it is, may look depressing but is indeed releasing yourself from false hopes that can be used as a chain to restrain your mind.
Just look at Muslims, I pity them, they live a shitty life and make life shitty to their peers in hope of going to a paradise that, if you think about it, is worse than Hell; all you've is sex and praise everyday an "immortal Gaddafi" with severe self-esteem problems.

@Mometaskers;

Stoicism requires one to be a better a person than I think I'm. So it leaves me on the burden of fearing to fail at end. For that I'm an admirer, but not good enough to be an actually follower.

True. Stoicism encourages people to endure through suffering and reversals with peace and dignity. I forgot his name but I remember there was a philosopher who used to be a slave. He sort of said that he accepted his lot because there's really nothing he can do about it (at least from their historical perspective). I would have probably killed people or killed my self if I was in his situation. Resignation sometimes require more courage than fighting.
legendary
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March 27, 2017, 07:03:53 PM
#12
You're talking about the figurative death; you're only truly dead once nobody remembers you anymore.
Well, the only way to achieve that "reserved to a pretty few" status is by entering History, but there's a catch, those who will write History hadn't born yet, so you can't control or bribe their judgment or what they will say about you - if anything.

I like to study History, one of this days I was studying my town's History and reading the newspaper about the death a notorious man by 1934. The speeches went around "this town will never forget you". A few days later I went seek for his grave, wasn't easy, had to go by the towns archive to find where it was, but once found it, his grave was a wreck, the cemetery staff was even using it to store junk, like an old traffic cone, broken brooms and other rusty tools.
Looks like the "the town will never forget you" didn't stand for even 100 years.

It doesn't mean you mustn't do your best to make this a better place, this place is as good as it is now due to the effort of those behind you and your descendants may inherit it even better if we work it right.
legendary
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March 27, 2017, 06:35:43 PM
#11
I'm Core, but damn you start it off on a depressing tone. "We'll all be forgotten...buried in the sands of time"

Interesting that you put Islam in the Fascism category. Where do other Religions not mentioned go - Judaism, Buddhist, Hindu - ?

These two specific things caught my eye as well. There is a religion listed with controversial political movements. Also, while epicurean philosophies tend toward enjoyment, which I agree is necessary for the limited time a human has on this earth, I think the fact that humans are so temporary doesn't indicate hedonism as a winning strategy. Yes, we fade quickly, but you can make an impact, a global impact, a lasting impact, if you try hard enough. You can become immortal, at least, the idea if you, if you are willing to make a big enough change to your environment, despite the cost/effort. That's the beauty of us. Unlimited potential, tempered with the shitty mortal coil.

some people say death is the reason why life is precious Smiley


btw. i dont believe we will forgotten except in the case we humans will go extinct - and even in that case depending on how far our technologies and sciences are evolving we could still make an everlasting mark in this universe.
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