Topic: Philosophy - page 2. (Read 1438 times)

These two specific things caught my eye as well. There is a religion listed with controversial political movements. Also, while epicurean philosophies tend toward enjoyment, which I agree is necessary for the limited time a human has on this earth, I think the fact that humans are so temporary doesn't indicate hedonism as a winning strategy. Yes, we fade quickly, but you can make an impact, a global impact, a lasting impact, if you try hard enough. You can become immortal, at least, the idea if you, if you are willing to make a big enough change to your environment, despite the cost/effort. That's the beauty of us. Unlimited potential, tempered with the shitty mortal coil.

I don't agree with you, because I think that virtues and morals are something that you learn from your parents. Life teach us to enjoy it to the fullest, but that doesn't change the fact that something are bad. Buddhism teaches people to enjoy life and many other things. And i don't see chaos in buddhistic countries.

Exactly, if you make it a ruthless anarchy at first you'll be destroying others' right for their heaven and in the long term you'll be ruining your own heaven as the society around you crumbles to dust.

That kind of thinking will cause world chaos and disorder in a society where we live in. Let us say that school of thought was right but even though we must enjoy our lives to the fullest since there are no more second trip in this life but we still must uphold order and live the virtues that a man should have. Virtues and morals are necessary to keep everyone safe and live peaceful in a society, without these elements instead of enjoying our life to the fullest our lives will be shorten. Thus if there are no second life we must make earth a heaven to live in and to make it possible living the moral and ethical virtues is the key to this.

This is an interesting topic you have made. People around me tells me that I am a philosopher and that i need to be shorter when I'm speaking. That could be right, but i don't agree, because i don't see myself as a philosopher. If I would need to pick from what you said I think I would go with Epicureanism. Simply it is most reasonable, and I totally agree with it.

I look at religions as philosophies, because at the very end that's what they are, and most are imposed philosophies, the more the religion imposes itself into society the more they are a fascist thing. Islam excels on this point.
For Hinduism and Shintoism I strongly oppose their social structure, because I'm egalitarian I don't like any ideology that supports the concept of born rights and untouchables.

As for the depressive sentence, Epicurean demands that we accept our fate and reality as it is, may look depressing but is indeed releasing yourself from false hopes that can be used as a chain to restrain your mind.
Just look at Muslims, I pity them, they live a shitty life and make life shitty to their peers in hope of going to a paradise that, if you think about it, is worse than Hell; all you've is sex and praise everyday an "immortal Gaddafi" with severe self-esteem problems.

@Mometaskers;

Stoicism requires one to be a better a person than I think I'm. So it leaves me on the burden of fearing to fail at end. For that I'm an admirer, but not good enough to be an actually follower.

I'm Core, but damn you start it off on a depressing tone. "We'll all be forgotten...buried in the sands of time"

Interesting that you put Islam in the Fascism category. Where do other Religions not mentioned go - Judaism, Buddhist, Hindu - ?

Some of those you listed would probably be labeled as ideologies by other people.

Me personally I think I'm more Epicurean. I believe there's a very small chance that deities and an afterlife exist. I think Epicureanism is a good starting point for a considerate society. Just as you are a visitor here on Earth trying to make as much of the experience as possible before leaving and never returning, so are everyone else. If people would also follow Epicurus' personal approach on things, life would also probably more simple and uncomplicated. Afterall, he and his friends bought a small plot outside Athens and lived simply.

Stoicism does have some good points to it as well though.

Geez, I only have a basic understanding of these and most books I tried to read only end up confusing me. Would have been great if Philosophy is a subject through out primary and secondary school, just like maths.

I've always been seeing hedonism as a great part of a human life. We're animals by nature, we do not require to do all of this we do, it's all just to make our life more easier and comfortable. So, just by that strive towards the technology to make our life more easier leads to the hedonism. We're constantly doing things that involve great work so we can enjoy our lives a little bit more. But in the end, nothing of that actually matters and everything we worked so hard for will be taken away from us in the end, leaving us with nothing more than what we started with, nothing.

Let's elevate the dialog and speak about our ideologies and what philosophic branches we fancy or otherwise?
Here's my main philosophy views and why:

Core:

Epicureanism; because nothing really matters, no matter how important or how serious you think you are, life is just a short journey, eventually we all be forgotten, bury deep in the sands of time. So enjoy your ride, make as much of the World a Paradise it can be; there's no second tickets and most likely no afterlife (at least none of the known afterlife theories makes any sense at all).

Rationalism: because all subjects must be discussed upon reason and information.

Simple things of life

Christianity (New Testament strict - Marcionism); whereas OT is abhorrent and violent, NT removed of its "mystical stuff" can be a good philosophic source.

Opposing

Fascism (including all flavors; Nazism, Communism, Islam, and so on); because there're limits for what and how far you can go on stuck your nose into other people's affairs! Making it worse, most of fascists and similar ideologies believe to have an "one-size fits all" response for all humanity issues, making them far more of a problem than a solution.

Sophism: As the major enemy of Rationalism, Sophism intents that "pretend to be right" by using twisted or broken logic (fallacies) is more important than anything else.

Hypocrisy: Pretty much the same as above but on the realm of "appearing to do good" is more important than actually do any good at all.

Supremacist branches (Nazism, Islam, KKK, BLM and so on); because I believe it to be more fair if everyone has the same rights regardless of skin color, religion, ethnicity or whatever insane reason or excuse used to it.