Topic: PICISI (Philanthropic Investment and Charity for Inventions, Startups, an Ideas) - page 4. (Read 4934 times)

This is going nowhere.  You know what you're doing is wrong (and illegal) but you won't change anything because you have a "get of jail free" card in the form of anonymity.  You don't care if most people initially think you're a charity because it helps with donations.  You're trying to see if you can build community support to continue your long con - but I believe this community is smarter than you think.

A good scam buster knows when to step back and let the scammer continue to damage himself.  That is what I'm going to do.  I'm still going to contact your sponsors/supporters (I haven't yet) and link them to the PICSIS website I'm building so you can't fool more gullible people.  This will happen in the next couple days week (I have an important exam on Tuesday I need to study for). (If you have a problem with this, you'll have to step out of the shadows and deal with me legally, like an non-scamming adult.)

But I'm done arguing in circles with you.  WHEN YOU ARE READY to address the community's issues, back your words up and make changes, contact me and I'll help you.  But don't contact me until you are sincere about your desire to do things the proper, trustworthy way.

Vod, you are back to overboard again, the company name will only be a one-word name PICISI, not have a six word name, so dismiss that from your head.
The words that stand for the letters in the name will remain the same. 

You said: "You'll deny you are a charity when asked directly,"  that's because PICISI is not a charity, I put that in writing many time to you yet you maintain the notion.
If you asked me if we are a Philantropic comany, I would also say no to that too; and if you asked me if we are an investment firm I would say no to that too; and if you asked me .... you get the point, PICISI will be a crowdfunding site and that is ONLY what we told people it will be.   People will be able to create campaigns to raise funds for their various inventions, ideas, and things, and charities also go there to raise fund too. 

You can't pick out a single word pharase associated with the name of the company and automatically assume that it MUST be what the business does, especially when faced with a mountain of evidence telling you it will be a crowdfunding site.  You went to 8 different threads how could you continue to maintain that illogical line of reasoning?

You said: "... but if a sponsor donates to you believing you are a charity, you don't correct them."  that's unreasonable.  Tell me how it is that someone would become a sponsor of PICISI thinking that?  Are you telling me they would ignore the fact that it says 'a crowdfunding site'.  Then to say "you don't correct them" that's sheer nonsense, why would I do that?  Tell me how I'm to know who thinks PICISI is what you think and we straighten the out right away.  But I doubt if any PICISI sponsor feels as you do.   Nevertheless, as I mentioned above any sponsor for any reason, or no reason at all, can request a refund and receive that refund forthwith.  Money given to me must be done freely and willingly.   

It's strange to me that a sponsor of PICISI would want a refund and go to you about it so :
did any PICISI sponsor go to you claiming that they want a refund?
did any PICISI sponsor go to you claiming that they believed PICISI was ANYTHING other than a crowdfunding site?
did any PICISI sponsor go to you claiming that they no longer want to be a PICISI sponsor?
did any PICISI sponsor go to you claiming that they had discontent of ANY kind?

because I don't think so

Yes, but all your material/articles are backed by nothing.  You're being deliberately dense here.  All the text in the world will not change the fact you are trying to raise a lot of money using an anonymous account.   You can fool some people, but not seasoned ones like me.  

Wow, its refreshing to see that someone took the time to actually read the material in order to be informed.

Yes, you are correct when you said: "From the looks of the OP of the OP's thread for PICISI and what I have read about in this thread, it appears that the OP is trying to create a competing company to kickstarter/indigato that utilizes crypt currencies..."

No, PICISI will not specialize in charities.


Yes, you are correct: "I don't think the OP is tiring to pass off his company as being a charity,"

About this part: "I do understand why, at first glance why someone may think it is a charity."  when Vod first saw what you see in the title it was followed by: "a crowdfunding site presently under construction" or words to that effect, so that it likely read: 'PICISI (Philanthropic Investment and Charity for Inventions, Startups, an Ideas). So it is highly unlikely that anyone that read anything generated by PICISI would conclude that PICISI is anything other than a crowdfunding site.

Thank you for: "I do not however understand why someone would think as much after reading the OP's responses."

I have a major problem with this: "This is While it is possible that the OP is hoping to run off with a large amount of bitcoin after being trust with large amounts,"
It tells me that that I would like you to know more about PICISI and the whole business plan.  If a business is generating large sums of money who's running where?

The currency PICISI creates is for the operation of the business, there are many articles I could share with you that detail how that would take place.

Vod mentioned something like you said, but when I asked him to play it out he didn't, since you are clearly more measured in your approach to PICISI, kindly tell me in what way you believe this would happen?

Guaranteed by what?  Your anonymity?   Your words are backed by nothing, scammer.  

I'll give you an actual guarantee right now - my PICISI domain will be higher ranked in Google than yours is.  

I am the final authority for all info about PICISI, and I will be the final authority once PICISI is a company, nevertheless I don't know everything and I certainly don't read minds.  So my questions are legitimate.  Who has discontent?  No discontent has been expressed to me by ANY PICISI sponsor.

You said: "As long as you continue to collect and hold other people's money, expect to be asked who you are, and why you wish to remain anonymous."
Vod you can have any reason, or no reason at all for asking someone name it doesn't have to be related to collecting money.   Money goes to and from people all of the time some know names some don't that is up to the relevant parties.  If someone doesn't want to give money to another person for any reason at all, they should not give it.  If someone doesn't feel comfortable with someone they are dealing with they should not give any money.  And, if someone gives money to someone else and later feels uncomfortable about what took place they should request a refund. 

As for PICISI, if any sponsor wants a refund the process is very simple, just ask me.  Again, if anyone gave me money and they want it back ask for a refund.
If anyone became a sponsor and no longer wants to be a sponsor just let me know I will remove them from the sponsor list.  I have no problem whatsoever issuing a refund, and I have no problem whatsoever removing a name from the sponsor list.   Oh, btw, I would never issued negative feedback in order to extort anything from anybody.

Sponsorship of PICISI will be a privilege that many will covet, once the site launches sponsorship will be limited and the fee won't be cheap.  If a sponsor doesn't get what they expected then I don't expect them to keep paying. 

Mark this words: THE PICISI SPONSORSHIP POLICY IS 100% SATISFACTION or 100% REFUND GUARANTEED ON REQUEST!!!

If you read about PICISI you will see why people will gladly pay to be a sponsor.

From the looks of the OP of the OP's thread for PICISI and what I have read about in this thread, it appears that the OP is trying to create a competing company to kickstarter/indigato that utilizes crypt currencies.

I cannot speak for kickstarter/indigato however it appears that the OP's company is going to work with charities to accept donations on their behalf (and may even specialize in charities).

I don't think the OP is tiring to pass off his company as being a charity, I do understand why, at first glance why someone may think it is a charity. I do not however understand why someone would think as much after reading the OP's responses.

While it is possible that the OP is hoping to run off with a large amount of bitcoin after being trust with large amounts, the same could be said about most bitcoin related companies so I don't think this is a valid argument to say that the OP is a scammer

Maybe he should change the 'name' of his corporation (is that a corporation?) and remove the word charity bevause I think it is a big misunderstanding and a lot of people are thinking picisi is a charity and invest some money, but it seems that it is not a real charity (or am I wrong?).

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Ps: can I ask you again to say what do you want from this thread (the purpose)? The removal of Vod from the defaultTrust list? Or what?

(cough) bullshit.  Take a look at the two polls you and I authored.  Over 50% of the respondents said they believed your company was a charity, based on it's name alone.  A person who actually cared about being mistaken for a charity would freak out at a number half that and make changes.

You'll deny you are a charity when asked directly, but if a sponsor donates to you believing you are a charity, you don't correct them.  

In any case, you've admitted your scam is going to be a crowd-funding one, which means you'll be holding onto a lot of people's money for future distribution.  You should expect people to question who you are and why you wish to remain anonymous.  

"we", who's this "we" that you represent?

When a company is formed it will be done so under the laws where it is formed.

In your quote you reference in bold text it mentions "Charities" the context is that Charities can go to PICISI to crowdfund charitable campaigns, just like is presently done at many crowdfunding sites including indiegogo.  That does not make the site, or site owner a charity.  I'm sure you knew that. 

Nevertheless, you said 'I collected money under a guise of being a charity' I said that was not true, and I further asked you to support your claim by telling me where that claim originated.  I don't want ANYONE thinking that, much less a sponsor. 

You, as the final authority in your "company", should know the answer to every one of those questions - how would I?

As long as you continue to collect and hold other people's money, expect to be asked who you are, and why you wish to remain anonymous.

You can let me know when you are serious about resolving the scammy issues with your fake company.  I'll be here.

Vod, PICISI is not a charity.   

Your use of the word "guise" implies that someone was deceived, I want to know which one of our sponsors feels in anyway deceived,
which one of our sponsors believes as you believe, which sponsor gave money and wants it back, which sponsor no longer wants to be a sponsor,
which PICISI sponsor came to me with any discontent whatsoever?

You've already gone to many of my sponsors needlessly spreading FUD, I don't know why, but I do know what you said is the reason and
I have clarified all of your misconceptions, even the one that you are stubbornly maintaining. 

You know PICISI is going to be a crowdfunding site, so who told you otherwise?

That money?  The money you collected under the guise of being a charity?  

Are you also now claiming that none of the ideas you are pushing will have you holding on to other people's money?


I'm sorry - we need to talk to the person that has the ultimate authority in your "company".  The person we can legally sue when your company scams us.  Who is that again?   

"... hold you legally accountable to their funds."

Who's money is being held, and for what purpose?

Mr. Amitenejah, why don't you just go public with who you are as Vod and TECSHARE recommend? People might consider working with you if you do. I did a couple of searches to see if your previous business ventures (board game, book promotion, etc.) are registered with the Secretary of State in Florida and have not found any record of such.

You should, at the very least, register your company with the Florida SoS so that people have a viable method to contact you and hold you legally accountable to their funds. Thanks!

Here is another PICISI sponsor that Vod specifically went to with his smear campaign: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11372497

Here is his comment:




There you have more evidence of Vod misunderstand of what PICISI is.   

When he says: "Turns the Armis is running a scam" is that supposed to mean 'as it turns out that ... scam' because that would imply some investigation took place and some finding was arrived at by some authority.  So the question is: "who what authority made any determination about PICISI?"

Vod also said: "... and not the charity (no charity license!) he claims."  yet "he" (Armis) made not claim that PICISI was a charity, to the contrary Armis very specifically and emphatically indicated that PICISI is not a charity, never planned to be a charity, and has no intention to be a charity.  So where did Vod get this misinformation, and why is he claiming that I made the claim. 

Vod continued: "... But he wants to reassure you that all the public identities of his board of directors (no corporation license!) ..."  What "board of directors", again where did he get that from, not from me.    He continued: "... will be disclosed to the stakeholders (no corporation license!) ..."  aaaaha, perhaps that's the basis for Vod's confusion, apparently he read "stakeholders" as "stockholder" because he referenced "no corporation license".  If he looked up the word "stakeholder" he should understand that it applys to many things even a family.  The context that it was used in was the job description of the duties of the Executive Director of PICISI.  And that was in the context of my invitation and request for people to join me in being an administrator for PICISI. 

Vod concluded that with: "... once he collects a large sum of non-reversible currency."  what currency is he talking about?  how is it that "he" (Armis) comes to receive these funds?  He irresponsibly leaves this open to imply wrongdoing.   However, PICISI is actually designed to properly earn large sums of money, and earn it from people that will be happy to give us that large sum of money because we will have performed as expected.


Vod asks the false question: "Do all his sponsors know he is running a scam?  Esp Hobonickels - I know thy are pro-charity and anti-greed."   There is no scam, and Vod is the only one running around screaming and crying about a non existent scam. 

I told him, if you are so confident it's a scam bet your Vod membership in Bitcointalk.org, if I prove that PICISI is not what you painted as then you resign.  He ignores that, because he actually isn't sure about his assertion at all.  Its a specious claim that only serves to stir up unnecessary fear and doubt.  All because he refuses to read the available information about PICISI BEFORE making a judgement. 

Vod damaged my username's character with is negative feedback, his rush to judgement was wrong, but now he should know better however he is now using that negative feedback to extort information from me for his own misguided purposes.  Such behavior should not be condoned.

Yawn.  You're still refusing to stand behind your (wall of) words - why should anyone else care?  

Here is a response Vod issued in the thread of the exact same sponsor he just told you that he didn't contact:



[here was my response]


Vod issued negative feedback to me based on his ignorance of PICISI, then went about to tell everyone he could (including PICISI sponsors) more falsehoods about PICISI.  It's obvious that Vod didn't read much about PICISI before rushing to judgement.   It's a shame that he brings the falsehoods to PICISI sponsor threads and annoying that I feel compelled to address his reckless accusations in a responsible way.

Vod mentioned "Charity" "license" "corporation" "board of directors" "stakeholders" and "collection of large sums of ... currency"  
I will prove that he jumped to the wrong conclusion then irresponsibly acted on his misunderstanding.

As you know PICISI is a business plan taking shape, and Armis is the designer and creator of PICISI.  A critical part of that plan is formation of the org, creation of the site, and creation of currency.  

Vod didn't read the plan, he refuses to read the articles about the plan, and doesn't even want to read the threads about the plan, yet he wants people to believe that he knows more about it than the person that created it.   Had he done any of that homework he would see there was never any plan for PICISI to be a charity, that it was always the plan for PICISI to be a business specifically a crowdfunding business.

The site prerequisites imply that no site presently exists, the site prerequisites also imply that once those goals are met something will begin.  When you look at the prerequisites as a whole it should be evident that those make up the basis for the business, and without them there is no business.

You don't need a license to market a plan, you don't need a license for someone to give you money to start a business, nor do you need a license to put the pieces together for the creation of that business.  A license is necessary to operate as a business, not to form one.

Vod mentioned a 'corporation' and 'board of directors', where did he get that from, not from me.  Clearly it originated in his head and now he is spreading the notion to others.   Given that Vod wrote this: "stakeholders (no corporation license!)" its clear to me that Vod confused "stakeholders" with "stockholders".  And that is probably why he wrongly went down that wrong corporate path.  Again he allowed his preconceived notions to prejudice his judgement.  

and lastly,

Vod mentioned 'collection of large sums of money', he really needs to explain that because PICISI does plan on making large sums of money, over and over again, and I have no intention of running away from our success.  


As you can see Vod jumped to the wrong conclusion then irresponsibly acted on his misunderstanding of facts when he issued negative feedback to me.


Vod said: "Just asking Armis to stand behind his words, instead of hiding in the shadows.  Not a smear campaign at all." well if that was actually the cased he would have limited his line of inquiry to PICISI thread not spill it over to PICISI sponsor threads.   Furthermore, if it was not a smear campaign he would not have posted the abundance of negativity in all of those different threads -- about 8 different threads; if that is not a smear campaign what is it?

Vod says: "He's pulling a long con by taking fraudulent donations and being anonymous.  You won't be able to go after him civilly or criminally when he steals your coins."
Yet he doesn't understand what PICISI is, refuses to read about it and refuses to believe the person that created it.   Also, he makes this prediction without any wager I tell him if he's so clairvoyant why doesn't he bet his Vod membership in Bitcointalk.org and if I win Vod resigns from BCT.   You see, I know he's wrong but he has nothing to lose with his irresponsible behavior.  My username is damaged by the negative feedback he issued and PICISI is damaged by his false accusations that he is recklessly spreading.

He claims there's some "long con" but doesn't play it out, he doesn't explain how it supposedly would happen.  He talks about anonymity but has no idea about my intentions or how PICISI will be run.  He tells you that you won't be able to get your coins, yet doesn't tell us what coins he is talking about.  He irresponsibly plants seeds of doubt then fertilizes it with words of fear so you will think and act negatively towards me and PICISI.  Here's what he doesn't do, he doesn't speak with specifics, he doesn't hash out any example as to how what he predicts supposedly would occur.  

Remember he made many assumptions that you know are false, he assumed you don't know what you are doing (he issued 3 warnings: 1) negative feedback, 2) his first warning post, and 3) his second warning post), he assumed you paid me a lot money, he assumed whatever you paid is not refundable (why else would you need to "go after" someone), the proof of all of those assertions is in what I know that you know, that Vod doesn't know because Vod doesn't want to read the available information about PICISI.  

Even when I spoon feed him with PICISI articles so that he could be properly educated about PICISI Vod told me he didn't want to hear it.  If he doesn't want to read, and doesn't want to listen how would he expect to know about PICISI?  If he doesn't know about PICISI he's unqualified to speak about PICISI.