[PicoStocks] 100TH/s bitcoin mine [100th] - page 36.

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Quote from: SebastianJu on September 22, 2013, 03:02:53 PM

Quote from: Vycid on September 22, 2013, 02:58:46 PM

Quote from: SebastianJu on September 22, 2013, 10:12:05 AM

Hm... Asicminer shares normally are priced that high that one could make 25% over a year. This share here now has 100% div in a year. I see a difference to asicminer but still i dont like the shareprice actually. If they had 200TH now already it would be 400% per year. I hope they get it done and that this security is found by more investors. Since they seem to mine already. Thats more than other securities can say.

AM is selling blades at ~4 BTC/10GH.

This security represents 100TH, i.e., 10,000 blades worth of hashpower. That would cost 40,000 BTC to buy.

Market cap: 120526.04077839 BTC

This is provably overvalued. You are getting a 3x better deal by buying ASICMiner blades, and you are likely to lose money on those too.

200TH, right... but the rest you said is the problem one has when you only create a mining ipo instead an ipo that owns its on asic and will grow the mine over time... *sigh* learning money i guess...

Does this also help you understand why you should NEVER use useless metrics like "APR" in evaluating a company's value (unless it's a bank)? This applies to ASICMiner.

APR varies wildly with the rapidly shifting margins. Current APR suggests noting about future APR.

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Quote from: Vycid on September 22, 2013, 02:58:46 PM

Quote from: SebastianJu on September 22, 2013, 10:12:05 AM

Hm... Asicminer shares normally are priced that high that one could make 25% over a year. This share here now has 100% div in a year. I see a difference to asicminer but still i dont like the shareprice actually. If they had 200TH now already it would be 400% per year. I hope they get it done and that this security is found by more investors. Since they seem to mine already. Thats more than other securities can say.

AM is selling blades at ~4 BTC/10GH.

This security represents 100TH, i.e., 10,000 blades worth of hashpower. That would cost 40,000 BTC to buy.

Market cap: 120526.04077839 BTC

This is provably overvalued. You are getting a 3x better deal by buying ASICMiner blades, and you are likely to lose money on those too.

200TH, right... but the rest you said is the problem one has when you only create a mining ipo instead an ipo that owns its on asic and will grow the mine over time... *sigh* learning money i guess...

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Quote from: Vycid on September 22, 2013, 02:58:46 PM

Quote from: SebastianJu on September 22, 2013, 10:12:05 AM

Hm... Asicminer shares normally are priced that high that one could make 25% over a year. This share here now has 100% div in a year. I see a difference to asicminer but still i dont like the shareprice actually. If they had 200TH now already it would be 400% per year. I hope they get it done and that this security is found by more investors. Since they seem to mine already. Thats more than other securities can say.

AM is selling blades at ~4 BTC/10GH.

This security represents ~~100TH~~ 200TH, i.e., ~~10,000~~ 20,000 blades worth of hashpower. That would cost ~~40,000~~ 80,000 BTC to buy.

Market cap: 120526.04077839 BTC

This is provably overvalued. You are getting a 3x 1.5x better deal by buying ASICMiner blades without accounting for electricity charges, and you are likely to lose money on those too.

FTFY

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Quote from: bulltrap on September 22, 2013, 03:00:43 PM

Quote from: Vycid on September 22, 2013, 02:58:46 PM

Quote from: SebastianJu on September 22, 2013, 10:12:05 AM

Hm... Asicminer shares normally are priced that high that one could make 25% over a year. This share here now has 100% div in a year. I see a difference to asicminer but still i dont like the shareprice actually. If they had 200TH now already it would be 400% per year. I hope they get it done and that this security is found by more investors. Since they seem to mine already. Thats more than other securities can say.

AM is selling blades at ~4 BTC/10GH.

This security represents 100TH, i.e., 10,000 blades worth of hashpower. That would cost 40,000 BTC to buy.

Market cap: 120526.04077839 BTC

This is provably overvalued. You are getting a 3x better deal by buying ASICMiner blades, and you are likely to lose money on those too.

This security is going to be 200TH not 100

Still overvalued by the same math. The blades are just 1.5x cheaper. And we haven't discussed whether those are a good deal, just that they're a better one.

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Quote from: Vycid on September 22, 2013, 02:58:46 PM

Quote from: SebastianJu on September 22, 2013, 10:12:05 AM

Hm... Asicminer shares normally are priced that high that one could make 25% over a year. This share here now has 100% div in a year. I see a difference to asicminer but still i dont like the shareprice actually. If they had 200TH now already it would be 400% per year. I hope they get it done and that this security is found by more investors. Since they seem to mine already. Thats more than other securities can say.

AM is selling blades at ~4 BTC/10GH.

This security represents 100TH, i.e., 10,000 blades worth of hashpower. That would cost 40,000 BTC to buy.

Market cap: 120526.04077839 BTC

This is provably overvalued. You are getting a 3x better deal by buying ASICMiner blades, and you are likely to lose money on those too.

This security is going to be 200TH not 100

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Quote from: SebastianJu on September 22, 2013, 10:12:05 AM

Hm... Asicminer shares normally are priced that high that one could make 25% over a year. This share here now has 100% div in a year. I see a difference to asicminer but still i dont like the shareprice actually. If they had 200TH now already it would be 400% per year. I hope they get it done and that this security is found by more investors. Since they seem to mine already. Thats more than other securities can say.

AM is selling blades at ~4 BTC/10GH.

This security represents 100TH, i.e., 10,000 blades worth of hashpower. That would cost 40,000 BTC to buy.

Market cap: 120526.04077839 BTC

This is provably overvalued. You are getting a 3x better deal by buying ASICMiner blades, and you are likely to lose money on those too.

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Quote from: gebir on September 22, 2013, 01:09:06 PM

100th : Reports https://picostocks.com/docs/index/19

Yay, solomining partially commenced

Thank you guys.

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100th : Reports https://picostocks.com/docs/index/19

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I hope they get it done and that this security is found by more investors.

Yes, but that picostocks.com platform is so confusing, I still can't find my way around!

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Hm... Asicminer shares normally are priced that high that one could make 25% over a year. This share here now has 100% div in a year. I see a difference to asicminer but still i dont like the shareprice actually. If they had 200TH now already it would be 400% per year. I hope they get it done and that this security is found by more investors. Since they seem to mine already. Thats more than other securities can say.

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Quote from: Isokivi on September 22, 2013, 12:39:52 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on September 22, 2013, 12:32:44 AM

Quote from: Isokivi on September 21, 2013, 11:29:20 PM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on September 21, 2013, 05:27:11 PM

This word, "theft" does not mean what you think it means.

You would prefer 100TH gambles with our money on a high variance pool instead?

Perhaps we could compromise by using a lower fee pool, but that lower fee would be more than cancelled out by the lower reliability.

Yes I would prefer even the "gamble" of solo mining to the massive single point of failure that has been built around ~~eluthrias~~ DeepBit integrity and physical safety. Tbh with the network as it currently stands ~~eluthria~~ DeepBit should not be in the same elevator with himself.

The lower fee would not be canceled by the "lower reliability" variance does even out over time.

2011 called, wants its FUD back.

Antifragile. Look it up.

So your saying that eluthria being compromised so that the guilds hashrate could be exploted to launch double spends would not affect the exchange, adoption and userates of bitcoin.
Btw will you be doing something similiarry stoopid with the Ice drill ? I'd like to know now so I can dump my shares before you also start chucking turd at the fan.

You still need to google 'antifragile + bitcoin.'

I just got several thousand more IceDrill shares at the very low price of 0.001! I'm very happy about it, thanks for reminding me. Grin

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How will Buzzdave comply with the Anti-Money-Laundering statutes, since he does not require any verification of who is investing her?

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on September 22, 2013, 12:32:44 AM

Quote from: Isokivi on September 21, 2013, 11:29:20 PM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on September 21, 2013, 05:27:11 PM

This word, "theft" does not mean what you think it means.

You would prefer 100TH gambles with our money on a high variance pool instead?

Perhaps we could compromise by using a lower fee pool, but that lower fee would be more than cancelled out by the lower reliability.

Yes I would prefer even the "gamble" of solo mining to the massive single point of failure that has been built around ~~eluthrias~~ DeepBit integrity and physical safety. Tbh with the network as it currently stands ~~eluthria~~ DeepBit should not be in the same elevator with himself.

The lower fee would not be canceled by the "lower reliability" variance does even out over time.

2011 called, wants its FUD back.

Antifragile. Look it up.

So your saying that eluthria being compromised so that the guilds hashrate could be exploted to launch double spends would not affect the exchange, adoption and userates of bitcoin.
Btw will you be doing something similiarry stoopid with the Ice drill ? I'd like to know now so I can dump my shares before you also start chucking turd at the fan.

iCEBREAKER

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Quote from: Isokivi on September 21, 2013, 11:29:20 PM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on September 21, 2013, 05:27:11 PM

This word, "theft" does not mean what you think it means.

You would prefer 100TH gambles with our money on a high variance pool instead?

Perhaps we could compromise by using a lower fee pool, but that lower fee would be more than cancelled out by the lower reliability.

Yes I would prefer even the "gamble" of solo mining to the massive single point of failure that has been built around ~~eluthrias~~ DeepBit integrity and physical safety. Tbh with the network as it currently stands ~~eluthria~~ DeepBit should not be in the same elevator with himself.

The lower fee would not be canceled by the "lower reliability" variance does even out over time.

2011 called, wants its FUD back.

Antifragile. Look it up.

Isokivi

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on September 21, 2013, 05:27:11 PM

This word, "theft" does not mean what you think it means.

You would prefer 100TH gambles with our money on a high variance pool instead?

Perhaps we could compromise by using a lower fee pool, but that lower fee would be more than cancelled out by the lower reliability.

Yes I would prefer even the "gamble" of solo mining to the massive single point of failure that has been built around eluthrias integrity and physical safety. Tbh with the network as it currently stands eluthria should not be in the same elevator with himself.

The lower fee would not be canceled by the "lower reliability" variance does even out over time.

goxed

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on a sidenote, https://ghash.io bitfury pool reaches 200TH

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Quote from: kaerf on September 21, 2013, 05:34:57 PM

Dave, Tytus, Jared, can you provide an estimate on when you expect to reach 100TH/s and 200TH/s? We are getting into the later part of September now and I think most of us expected the first 100TH to be online by this time. Also, raw dividend rates do not match hash rate..the highest 24hr average I've seen is ~55TH/s. Is the mine experiencing ongoing hardware/network problems?

Are hosting/maintenance fees being deducted from each dividend payment? I see there is about a 2% difference between dividend payouts and raw mining income. Can we get some clarification/updates on how fees are being taken out?

thanks

No one will answer your question ,cause they are all gone .september is almost over,we still at 50TH.

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Dave, Tytus, Jared, can you provide an estimate on when you expect to reach 100TH/s and 200TH/s? We are getting into the later part of September now and I think most of us expected the first 100TH to be online by this time. Also, raw dividend rates do not match hash rate..the highest 24hr average I've seen is ~55TH/s. Is the mine experiencing ongoing hardware/network problems?

Are hosting/maintenance fees being deducted from each dividend payment? I see there is about a 2% difference between dividend payouts and raw mining income. Can we get some clarification/updates on how fees are being taken out?

thanks

iCEBREAKER

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Quote from: Isokivi on September 21, 2013, 01:57:32 PM

Id like to once again protest the choise of mining venue:

As a shareholder: btcguilds 4% fee is theft, from my pocket.
As a bitcoin entrepeneur: your participating in growing my risk regarding double spends.
As a miner: Your undermining the whole concept of a decentralised currency.
As a bitcoin holder/believer/saver: You are participating in putting a large portion of my savings at a constant risk.

Just cut the explanations, solomine or swap pool, please!

I'd sell or destroy my shares if it'd take the eqvalent hashrate off btcguild.

This word, "theft" does not mean what you think it means.

You would prefer 100TH gambles with our money on a high variance pool instead?

Perhaps we could compromise by using a lower fee pool, but that lower fee would be more than cancelled out by the lower reliability.

gebir

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Quote from: buzzdave on September 13, 2013, 11:50:03 PM

Not hardware, but optimizing will continue (swapping out bad cards, tweaking rigs, etc.) We want to run every rig at 400G, which would give us 65TH even now. More hardware deploys next week - I expect we'll surpass the original 100TH goal.

Current stats are low due to a little issue at the pool, resolved, no shares were missed.

Dave, when 100TH / s? BTCGuild shows ~ 48TH / s (less than a week ago).
Tytus, can you write what happens? I do not like speculation.

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