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Topic: Pirate v2.0: Unravelling the Bitshares Ponzi - page 8. (Read 12720 times)

legendary
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September 20, 2013, 12:54:15 PM
#13
“If you own BitBTC you can earn dividends on your bitcoins,” said Larimer. “If you have a thousand bitcoins and you convert them to BitBTC, and then you hold it for six months, then you convert the BitBTC plus the dividends you received back to bitcoins, you’ll end up with more bitcoins than you started with.”

^^

simply rather than having to write  a white paper - just tell me who takes the risk and where does the "magic" happen in the above scenario.

When trying to find a scam I suggest that if its too difficult to explain without trying to revert to eco-speak , you are scamming.

so simply , who takes the risk in the above scenario to provide the "interest" - where is the "new" BTC issued from, or transferred from.

if this can't be explained , unfortunately, well, you know....



Often you are completely correct, but that is because people are adopting eco-speak because they don't expect you to understand it.

If you actually understand eco-speak, it makes things crystal clear.
This is simple stuff. e.g. I test undergrads on this all the time and they do just fine.

If you see well-educated people doing this it can only be intentional deception.  

The problem is if something is actually complicated then I will be unable to explain it to you without you immediately thinking it is a scam.
Bitcoin is case in point.
hero member
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‘Try to be nice’
September 20, 2013, 12:49:48 PM
#12
“If you own BitBTC you can earn dividends on your bitcoins,” said Larimer. “If you have a thousand bitcoins and you convert them to BitBTC, and then you hold it for six months, then you convert the BitBTC plus the dividends you received back to bitcoins, you’ll end up with more bitcoins than you started with.”

^^

simply rather than having to write  a white paper - just tell me who takes the risk and where does the "magic" happen in the above scenario.

When trying to find a scam I suggest that if its too difficult to explain without trying to revert to eco-speak , you are scamming.

so simply , who takes the risk in the above scenario to provide the "interest" - where is the "new" BTC issued from, or transferred from, (where is the work?) how does an "investor" asses risk?

if this can't be explained , unfortunately, well, you know....

legendary
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September 20, 2013, 12:49:27 PM
#11
Last time I did that I got a request for slides...
Then that guy is probably still in primary school and reads picture books. Powerpoint slides are to be used in conjunction with an ACTUAL PRESENTATION. You're not going to convince anyone with a poorly structured powerpoint.

Guess why this guy: http://ripplescam.org/ is more convincing than you. Hint: it's because he has a properly structured article that lays out his arguments and then presents evidence for each of them. On the other hand, you present random pieces of economic theory, then come to the conclusion that bitshares is a ponzi.

You don't have to trust me. Just read the wikipedia article linked in the slides and come to your own conclusion.
Oh so you hope to convince people by: "DON'T BELIEVE ME? HERE ARE A BUNCH OF ARTICLES VAGUELY RELATED TO MY CLAIM." Good luck with that.

There really isn't any logical argument in the linked page. I prefer to use logical arguments.

If you don't want to accept consistency with basic economic theory as a criteria for correctness, then there is nothing I can do to convince you.  

If you have never taken economics before or lack aptitude in the area, then I don't really have the time to offer a course.
legendary
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legendary
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September 20, 2013, 12:41:57 PM
#9
Last time I did that I got a request for slides...
Then that guy is probably still in primary school and reads picture books. Powerpoint slides are to be used in conjunction with an ACTUAL PRESENTATION. You're not going to convince anyone with a poorly structured powerpoint.

Guess why this guy: http://ripplescam.org/ is more convincing than you. Hint: it's because he has a properly structured article that lays out his arguments and then presents evidence for each of them. On the other hand, you present random pieces of economic theory, then come to the conclusion that bitshares is a ponzi.

You don't have to trust me. Just read the wikipedia article linked in the slides and come to your own conclusion.
Oh so you hope to convince people by: "DON'T BELIEVE ME? HERE ARE A BUNCH OF ARTICLES VAGUELY RELATED TO MY CLAIM." Good luck with that.
sr. member
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September 20, 2013, 12:39:54 PM
#8
This webpage is not available.

can't download
legendary
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September 20, 2013, 12:39:27 PM
#7
Seeing that there is a corporation and VC funding etc, the only plausible explanation is a long con.
hero member
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‘Try to be nice’
September 20, 2013, 12:33:35 PM
#6
“If you own BitBTC you can earn dividends on your bitcoins,” said Larimer. “If you have a thousand bitcoins and you convert them to BitBTC, and then you hold it for six months, then you convert the BitBTC plus the dividends you received back to bitcoins, you’ll end up with more bitcoins than you started with.”

from  http://www.coindesk.com/bitshares-p2p-trading-platform-to-offer-dividends-on-bitcoins/


Lol - i suppose they have to try ... : |  pfft.


but , i'll be aptly interested to see who will take this up - , i suspect there are always some marks , but it will be interesting to see .

in the same sense , many times we have invested in paper on other assets many times before, this is an investment vehicle , one would have to consider this high risk , but play the game if you can i guess.
legendary
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September 20, 2013, 12:24:02 PM
#5
Last time I did that I got a request for slides...

You don't have to trust me. Just read the wikipedia article linked in the slides and come to your own conclusion.
legendary
Activity: 2058
Merit: 1452
September 20, 2013, 12:20:53 PM
#4
>[...]exchange units of USD via a bitcon client[...]
You lost my attention

Very well, then you are not at risk as a Ponzi victim.
protip: Present your findings as an essay/paper, not a powerpoint pdf. Your slides are very confusing and unconvincing.
legendary
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September 20, 2013, 12:17:18 PM
#3
>[...]exchange units of USD via a bitcon client[...]
You lost my attention

Very well, then you are not at risk as a Ponzi victim.
legendary
Activity: 2058
Merit: 1452
September 20, 2013, 12:15:50 PM
#2
>[...]exchange units of USD via a bitcon client[...]
You lost my attention
legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1003
September 20, 2013, 12:14:11 PM
#1
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“If you own BitBTC you can earn dividends on your bitcoins,” said Larimer. “If you have a thousand bitcoins and you convert them to BitBTC, and then you hold it for six months, then you convert the BitBTC plus the dividends you received back to bitcoins, you’ll end up with more bitcoins than you started with.”
Thanks to digital industry for highlighting Larimer's damning quote.

https://anonfiles.com/file/cb6ea50037eebae4abd05c205350a1f4

This pdf file just uses a logical argument to demonstrate that bitshares is a ponzi.

It is textbook macroeconomics.

Help spread the word to protect the community.


Don't believe them when they claim naivete.  It doesn't add up.
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