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Quote from: SquirrelJulietGarden on August 31, 2020, 06:23:24 AM

Quote from: jademaxsuy on August 31, 2020, 05:58:24 AM

Just for an example the Daniel_stev user was a quality poster but was ban for plagiarism. I do not know if he just copy or paste content intentionally or it was just a mistake that he forgets to mention or posts the reference below.

Intentionally he did it!

His ban appeal
Reports:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55069861
For beginners what is technical analysis

Quote from: daneal stev on August 21, 2020, 01:53:41 PM

Translated from source:
https://academy.binance.com/ar/economics/what-is-technical-analysis

It is translated by Google.

What?

Quote from: Magd solieman on August 23, 2020, 04:41:18 PM

I made a lot of effort in writing this topic
In fact, technical analysis for me lacks some concepts for this reason I have benefited from your participation, but although many say that your topic is already translated on one of the sites, I benefited from it because I have not read the similar article before and I hope that next time you pay attention to the translation and be more careful when Choose your subjects

Report on Magd solieman
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55062191

It means that plagiarism is not only for newbie but to high rank users too. Ban for plagiarism has no exemption in rank. But OP focuses that much on newbie which usually does plagiarism because of thoughts that no one is checking on them because they are still newbie. Besides they too forgot to read all the forum rules and regulations. Not only the forum rules and regulations are important to read but other pinned post too. The problem is that newbie has no patience in reading posts and they thought of it as alright to be here and they are good to go.

As days pass since newbie could have hard time participating in the discussion they tend to do a quick google search and for them not to encode it manually copy and pasting is much more easier. Now, if the copy paste post will be reported surely it will resulted to ban especially if reference were not being mention.

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Plagiarism is not new on our forum most of the members are making plagiarize because some of the reasons like

Tired reading the full articles
Look as a professional
Get merit
Does not have a proper citation
No source of references

Those are the common factors you can see also there is a lot of members caught them immediately and report into our reputation board.

As early as possible it's better if we keep aware the newbies about the things could possibly happen to their accounts.

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Quote from: jademaxsuy on August 31, 2020, 05:58:24 AM

Just for an example the Daniel_stev user was a quality poster but was ban for plagiarism. I do not know if he just copy or paste content intentionally or it was just a mistake that he forgets to mention or posts the reference below.

Intentionally he did it!

His ban appeal
Reports:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55069861
For beginners what is technical analysis

Quote from: daneal stev on August 21, 2020, 01:53:41 PM

Translated from source:
https://academy.binance.com/ar/economics/what-is-technical-analysis

It is translated by Google.

What?

Quote from: Magd solieman on August 23, 2020, 04:41:18 PM

I made a lot of effort in writing this topic
In fact, technical analysis for me lacks some concepts for this reason I have benefited from your participation, but although many say that your topic is already translated on one of the sites, I benefited from it because I have not read the similar article before and I hope that next time you pay attention to the translation and be more careful when Choose your subjects

Report on Magd solieman
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55062191

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Quote from: DdmrDdmr on August 31, 2020, 04:13:43 AM

What is considered as plagiarism on the forum is not new, and has been going on for ages on the forum. In fact, the rule was roughly introduced around 2016:

Quote from: DdmrDdmr on May 22, 2019, 05:09:22 AM

<…> I had the curiosity at some point last year as to how far back in people’s history did the rules apply (see A couple of quick questions related to forum rules). The answer was that there is no delimited timeframe for rules to apply.

If I recall correctly, my curiosity was aroused when I checked the forum rules to see when rule 33 had been written:

- It was present at round November 2016 (rule number 33): https://web.archive.org/web/20161121133329/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0
- But not in May 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160506061123/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0

Of course, these rules are basically a privately applied based guideline, and obviously can apply to whatever timeframe the Forum wishes <…>.

The probable main reasons for plagiarism boil down to:

-   Creating a post to increase Activity (perhaps more before than nowadays).
-   Creating a post to create a false sense of being knowledgeable.
-   Creating a post to try to earn Merits.
-   Some may be trying to honestly help, by bringing content from elsewhere, but are not aware/forget that they should always reference the source.
-   To make up for a lack of command in a given language.

The difficult thing is when one gets ban by plagiarizing a good article or compilation of article but did forget to write down the references. I think modz do not have any consideration whether you are a quality poster (earned some merits) they still ban them. The mods are strictly does not allowed plagiarized content here.

Just for an example the Daniel_stev user was a quality poster but was ban for plagiarism. I do not know if he just copy or paste content intentionally or it was just a mistake that he forgets to mention or posts the reference below.

So, in oder not to get ban simply acknowledge the owner of the article by posting the reference either being qouted or mention or other ways are by posting sources below the post.

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What is considered as plagiarism on the forum is not new, and has been going on for ages on the forum. In fact, the rule was roughly introduced around 2016:

Quote from: DdmrDdmr on May 22, 2019, 05:09:22 AM

<…> I had the curiosity at some point last year as to how far back in people’s history did the rules apply (see A couple of quick questions related to forum rules). The answer was that there is no delimited timeframe for rules to apply.

If I recall correctly, my curiosity was aroused when I checked the forum rules to see when rule 33 had been written:

- It was present at round November 2016 (rule number 33): https://web.archive.org/web/20161121133329/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0
- But not in May 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160506061123/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0

Of course, these rules are basically a privately applied based guideline, and obviously can apply to whatever timeframe the Forum wishes <…>.

The probable main reasons for plagiarism boil down to:

-   Creating a post to increase Activity (perhaps more before than nowadays).
-   Creating a post to create a false sense of being knowledgeable.
-   Creating a post to try to earn Merits.
-   Some may be trying to honestly help, by bringing content from elsewhere, but are not aware/forget that they should always reference the source.
-   To make up for a lack of command in a given language.

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Plagiarism is a crime, no matter your reason is, if you plagiarize something then you may go to jail especially if it happens in a big event. There are many reasons why people do plagiarize.
1. They just want to complete the task or requirements easily so they tend to plagiarize any content.
2. They don't even know what to do or to write so they end up doing plagiarism.
3. They think that they cannot be caught for doing it, there are some people who copy other's content and providing different source links so it may look like they paraphrase it.

There are many ways for us to avoid plagiarism, always keep in mind that whenever you get an idea from other sources, you should provide the link, don't also copy the whole content because it will still be plagiarism if you provide only the link and copy it. You still need to paraphrase it.

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Quote from: skarais on August 31, 2020, 03:25:41 AM

Plagiarism cases are very easy to find on accounts among beginners because they don't know the risk of using plagiarism that will cause the account to be permanently blocked. To avoid increasing plagiarism in all thread boards, apply each board to have a plagiarism prohibition regulation thread and provide lessons such as tips on avoiding plagiarism

It is easy to find. People who plagiarise often write too short posts and if they write a long post, you can put that post under your radar. They are lazy with short posts so if you do long posts, I am sure they will try to do it lazily too (by plagiarism).

The next step is to use google or ay search engine: bing, duckduckgo, or some plagiarism detection tools to investigate that post is a plagiarism or not.
https://www.grammarly.com/plagiarism-checker
https://smallseotools.com/plagiarism-checker/
https://www.positeo.com/check-duplicate-content/
https://www.seoreviewtools.com/duplicate-content-checker/
https://www.quetext.com/
https://copyleaks.com/compare

I found one case yesterday with help from Google

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Plagiarism cases are very easy to find on accounts among beginners because they don't know the risk of using plagiarism that will cause the account to be permanently blocked. To avoid increasing plagiarism in all thread boards, apply each board to have a plagiarism prohibition regulation thread and provide lessons such as tips on avoiding plagiarism

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Quote from: Subbir on June 30, 2020, 09:10:28 AM

Theft isn't a replacement topic within the forum it's been around for an extended time a way better thanks to stealing There are many of us within the forum who aren't ready to make quality posts. they modify the sort of posts through piracy However the moderator can ban if he wants. If we expect something maybe a scam report it to the moderator and he will only be ready to delete it Therefore before posting you've got to write down the syllabus well then write it generally.

You are on point, while then plagiarised is because of lack of research and understanding,may people has been stealing peoples work in other to be firm in forum and also earn merit. So therefore it's advisable to create a topic by your self without involving in plagiarism or spamming.

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Plagiarism isn't new I guess, many newbies who are into this won't achieve anything on this forum and the chance of getting ban is high too, it's better to be yourself and learn from others too, there is always first time for everything, just adjust yourself as you go

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Quote from: Lordhermes on July 02, 2020, 01:54:53 AM

Quote from: yazher on July 01, 2020, 08:58:33 AM

Some veterans members have fallen victim to this kind of action when the banning spree has happened the last year. most of them have been banned because of plagiarism on some of their posts way back from their very first year in this community. Many of those users are now gone last year, you can see almost every day in META section asking everyone why are they got banned and when other users check the possible reason, it comes to the conclusion that the reason no other than plagiarism and that's an automatic permanent banned without some warnings. some others got some second chance but for those who had contributed to the forum. the others are permanently gone.

Plagiarism kills the fun part of the forum, it's seems hard for users to brainstorm a quality post no matter how poor jt may seem to be, but as long as we understand what the poster is actually saying is big important, gradually such plagiarist will win the habit of copy/paste other people's structured post. Permaban on plagiarism post is good for the betterment of the forum.

Plagiarism is not just illegal in this forum that it is really against the law because you are stealing ideas of other people. We all know it is difficult to make a quality post of our own, so we could be recognized and be praised by other people. But stealing other people's ideas or plagiarized should not be done because we can still try to construct our thoughts and opinions in a creative way of our own.

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Quote from: yazher on July 01, 2020, 08:58:33 AM

Some veterans members have fallen victim to this kind of action when the banning spree has happened the last year. most of them have been banned because of plagiarism on some of their posts way back from their very first year in this community. Many of those users are now gone last year, you can see almost every day in META section asking everyone why are they got banned and when other users check the possible reason, it comes to the conclusion that the reason no other than plagiarism and that's an automatic permanent banned without some warnings. some others got some second chance but for those who had contributed to the forum. the others are permanently gone.

Plagiarism kills the fun part of the forum, it's seems hard for users to brainstorm a quality post no matter how poor jt may seem to be, but as long as we understand what the poster is actually saying is big important, gradually such plagiarist will win the habit of copy/paste other people's structured post. Permaban on plagiarism post is good for the betterment of the forum.

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Some veterans members have fallen victim to this kind of action when the banning spree has happened the last year. most of them have been banned because of plagiarism on some of their posts way back from their very first year in this community. Many of those users are now gone last year, you can see almost every day in META section asking everyone why are they got banned and when other users check the possible reason, it comes to the conclusion that the reason no other than plagiarism and that's an automatic permanent banned without some warnings. some others got some second chance but for those who had contributed to the forum. the others are permanently gone.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on July 01, 2020, 04:50:10 AM

Now, despite the general rejection of plagiarism, I still see cases among beginners. This clearly shows that newcomers write a lot of plagiarism on the forum in order to increase activity or participate in subscription companies. What can be said to such people? The only thing is that sooner or later their account will be blocked. Then in Meta begin the tearful requests for forgiveness.

Here's a recent example of such a hasty newbie who copied text for his post.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54714064

The plagiarism of those people who have only reports on Bounty companies in their message history is especially noticeable.

I can understand why some people break rules with plagiarism. In some countries, people are familiar with cracked softwares, and plagiarisms are not detected well. Local laws are not strict on plagiarisms, in universities, colleges and I am sure such people don't feel any problem (from their sides) when copying and pasting for their posts on the forum, and don't care to leave source link.

Worse, they don't read the forum rules.

Anyhow, don't cry because of your laziness and rule violations because of that. Read rules and don't break them.

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Now, despite the general rejection of plagiarism, I still see cases among beginners. This clearly shows that newcomers write a lot of plagiarism on the forum in order to increase activity or participate in subscription companies. What can be said to such people? The only thing is that sooner or later their account will be blocked. Then in Meta begin the tearful requests for forgiveness.

Here's a recent example of such a hasty newbie who copied text for his post.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54714064

The plagiarism of those people who have only reports on Bounty companies in their message history is especially noticeable.

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Quote from: AakZaki on July 01, 2020, 12:39:34 AM

Ready or not ready to make quality posts still have to pay attention to the goals and intentions of the threads discussed. Sometimes beginners only post spam words in response to other people's posts and even carry out acts of plagiarism such as copying other people's comments with a few modifications.

this is what causes beginners to not develop. They remain beginners because they do not try to learn how to interact and exchange ideas in this forum.

LOL, but it really happened in the forum. There are many cases of account that are banned due to copying post on other website or other user post when they are beginners. Many user complain that they never do it when they dont remember it after a few years. But in reality, they do it without being aware of the side effect of their account when they are beginners or low ranking.

Plagiarism can never be accepted in forum, therefore a beginner must know this correctly and its time they avoid it and never do it. One good way to do this is to learn and get used to posting quality thing based on your own ideas and thought. One word of wisdom, there is no need to be an expert in all fields but enough to know the rules are thing that must be upheld. The bitcoin forum does not require all users to be able to know everything about bitcoin in detail like an expert, but it is good enough if we are interested to know it.

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Quote from: Subbir on June 30, 2020, 09:10:28 AM

Theft isn't a replacement topic within the forum it's been around for an extended time a way better thanks to stealing There are many of us within the forum who aren't ready to make quality posts. they modify the sort of posts through piracy However the moderator can ban if he wants. ~snip~

Ready or not ready to make quality posts still have to pay attention to the goals and intentions of the threads discussed. Sometimes beginners only post spam words in response to other people's posts and even carry out acts of plagiarism such as copying other people's comments with a few modifications.

this is what causes beginners to not develop. They remain beginners because they do not try to learn how to interact and exchange ideas in this forum.

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Plagiarism has been an old problem in the forum since a long time ago, looks like is hard for some people to make their own posts or bring their own ideas. And to fight this war is in our hands to report that kind of posts, it doesn't take much time and is a big help for the forum.

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Quote from: famososMuertos on June 30, 2020, 06:31:40 PM

Although according to a user who provides accurate statistics that plagiarism occurs in novice users, it is good to clarify that it is not a situation that occurs only in novices.

Newbie, it can only mean that you are new to the forum, due to an enrollment date and an immediate rank you receive, but in reality it may even be another advanced user who comes with another account to Trolear with for example duplicate content.

I think that the true newbie if we could draw his blood and determine that he does not know the forum and has never been in another, the newbie it comes to do things well!

Copying is not something exclusive to a forum or is something you have to read in the rules to find out and say, "ahh!" copying is wrong. They teach it to you at elementary school.

So, this is not the school, if you copy yourself, you steal content, it has its consequences, think about it, must we say it how many times?

What more can I say? Newbie or not, there's no excuse in this plagiarism thing. Because if you always practice not to copy from someone else's post or work, you will always write in your own words. So even if you are a newbie, you will not experience this plagiarism issue. As long as you are writing from your own thoughts and if it happens that you got it from somewhere else, you need to put some sort of reference or disclaimer. I totally agree that this issue is not only for newbies.

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Although according to a user who provides accurate statistics that plagiarism occurs in novice users, it is good to clarify that it is not a situation that occurs only in novices.

Newbie, it can only mean that you are new to the forum, due to an enrollment date and an immediate rank you receive, but in reality it may even be another advanced user who comes with another account to Trolear with for example duplicate content.

I think that the true newbie if we could draw his blood and determine that he does not know the forum and has never been in another, the newbie it comes to do things well!

Copying is not something exclusive to a forum or is something you have to read in the rules to find out and say, "ahh!" copying is wrong. They teach it to you at elementary school.

So, this is not the school, if you copy yourself, you steal content, it has its consequences, think about it, must we say it how many times?

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