Topic: Plagiarism Vs Scam (Read 376 times)
Plagiarism is a first hand crime commenting by users in the forum. And plagiarism is a very bad crime because you are posting someone hard effort work here in the forum without making reference of the author of the work and in the other hand, Scam is always reported by another user (s) which needs good evidences to nail the user's crime to the wall. And since it is not a first hand crime a negative feedback would be given to the accuser and also a warning note on the accuser's profile to make people to be aware and steer clear from the scammer. Those are some the reasons of banning and negative feedback.
I think that they pretty much decided what to do in those cases. Tricky part is to prove that someone actually used chatbot, but if you manage to do that I don't think that mods/admins will hesitate too much.
Yeah it is tricky, but we already found several tools that can help us to identify how likely is that some posts are generated by AI, and if they all show high percentage than case is closed.However, I would not be so easy on banning every member for this before double checking, discussing with other members and hearing what others have to say.
Anyone who was suspected of using AI post generation multiple times should be punished somehow, maybe temp ban first instead of permaban would be better.
btw does anyone know how AI text generation is working for languages other than English?
On the internet, I think Spam is worst than scam as moderators can detect spam themselves yet scam requires both parties to defend themselves.
I don't think so, they are equally bad, or scam is even worse because someone losses their funds, just that on the forum scam isn't moderated, and it isn't because spam is a worse evil, just that it is easier for the forum to moderate than scams, which they leave to the responsibility of users.Spam has to do with the platform and scam affects users on the platform. Spamming is a way of scamming an internet company or platform like the forum, or any other social media like Fb or Instagram. Black hat users create multiple accounts and spam such platforms to make money out of the platform through account sells or boosting a specific account for malicious purposes. That's why spam is equally frowned at by moderators like scam. Though Scam is bad because a single person bears the pain, but spam deals with the success of any internet establishment that's why I said, it's a tough attack on the internet. Between, spamming can also lead to scam. Take Spotify for instance people spam with fake streams to earn huge amount of money, it affects the company at large. Hence they are both the same thing, just that platforms focus more in securing their sites, that's why they follow up spammers aggressively than they do to scammers unless a person relays a solid report to the moderators.
I have see many comments but I want understand that the forum has a lay down rules from the beginning. The rules focus more on plagiarism because original works is expected of you but if you can't just give the forum your source that does not stop any aculeates that will come to you but scammers sometimes only on a scene of contacts or one on one message. There no way the forum will detect you as a scammer because you post something in a gambling forum but you notice any funny persons trying to cheat you or the system. I think the forum allows to report the person with evidence and if your evidence proves real, such person will be dealt according to the rules and regulations of the forum.
For more clarity of rules and regulations you can open beginners and help.
For more clarity of rules and regulations you can open beginners and help.
Both are different offence with their own penalties. While plagiarism get a straight ban, scammers get negative trust. The negative trust i suspect is so that other users won't fall victim to the said user. If Scammers get outright ban just like plagiarism their account might go hidden and not every one will get to know about their deeds and it will be more easier to create new accounts and to get more victims.
But in real sense a plagiarist has high possibility of becoming a scammer. reasons been that if they can claim to own someone else work just for merits and fame they can as well nurture scamming and over time it begins to manifest.
But in real sense a plagiarist has high possibility of becoming a scammer. reasons been that if they can claim to own someone else work just for merits and fame they can as well nurture scamming and over time it begins to manifest.
I think the moderators haven't decided how to deal with post generated by ChatGPT, but it's just because the content generated by ChatGPT has been exposed if some part was took from the other article. As been mentioned by @mprep here, so my assumptions if someone have created a post generated by ChatGPT and it's really looks like created by human, it's fine since no one able to investigate it.
Well, since @hilariousandco already banned at least two accounts due use of chatbot (1st case, 2nd case) I think that they pretty much decided what to do in those cases. Tricky part is to prove that someone actually used chatbot, but if you manage to do that I don't think that mods/admins will hesitate too much. Yes, please do, though obviously they will need a little more verification so might not get handled straight away. It's probably going to get out of hand fast with these issues now. Personally I think it might be wise to look into disabling sigs on all new users/lower ranks until people have earned the right to have one through acquiring a large amount of merit.
Based on several cases that I saw in that "report plagiarism" thread where members got banned and one even nuked (iirc you reported that nuked guy), I think that forum staff already decided how to deal with ChatGPT users and took the stance on that. Tricky part is to actually prove beyond reasonable doubt that someone used the bot and it will take some time before tools get reliable enough.
I think the moderators haven't decided how to deal with post generated by ChatGPT, but it's just because the content generated by ChatGPT has been exposed if some part was took from the other article. As been mentioned by @mprep here, so my assumptions if someone have created a post generated by ChatGPT and it's really looks like created by human, it's fine since no one able to investigate it.If an AI is able to consistently create content that doesn't break any of the forum's rules (good quality, on-topic, not just a padded word salad, no plagiarism, etc, etc), I, for one, welcome our new machine overlords. Otherwise, content that violates the rules, AI or human produced, can already be dealt with with our current rules and policies in mind.
Aren't the scam accusation threads a better way to determine a scammer in the forum? If the accused doesn't come to clear his name in the forum, they could be considered guilty.
Scam accusations threads can't be used to determine a scammer, the fact that someone opens a scam accussation thread doesn't mean the person is right and the accused is guilty of the scam, and we also can't compel people to always come and respond to accusations against them. If the accusation thread has sufficient information/proof that they are guilty, then their response isn't even necessary, but if someone doesn't have enough proof against another, and requires the accused to post in order to clear their name, then they shouldn't start the accusation thread in the first place.On the internet, I think Spam is worst than scam as moderators can detect spam themselves yet scam requires both parties to defend themselves.
I don't think so, they are equally bad, or scam is even worse because someone losses their funds, just that on the forum scam isn't moderated, and it isn't because spam is a worse evil, just that it is easier for the forum to moderate than scams, which they leave to the responsibility of users. In the forum I see many big scammers continue their work, their accounts only have red tags, on the other hand, I see many accounts getting banned for plagiarism.
So my question is now is the crime of plagiarism more offensive than scamming?
When a forum user copies another user's post without permission or without credit, or copies a post from any other source and posts it here without the source link, it is called plagiarism. And forum Moderator works to combat plagiarism. And if the plagiarism problem is detected, the account is banned. But the moderators don't look at scams because it's someone's personal problem but plagiarism is against forum rules. So if a person scams, DT members only give negative tag to him so that other members are careful of financial deal with him. that's it So my question is now is the crime of plagiarism more offensive than scamming?
If you think someone get wrongly accused for scamming, you can give your opinion on that's thread or creating a new thread to ask any users to recheck the case. If the case is between big business vs newbie, many users tend to believe the business is right. But if the case is between small business vs high ranked user, many users tend to believe the business is a scammer. But it still depends on case by case.
What do you mean about no legal document? are you asking the administrators to ask KYC for any business in this forum? it will not happen.
The administrators aren't sleeping, you can be a subject for investigation if you did a huge scam.
What do you mean about no legal document? are you asking the administrators to ask KYC for any business in this forum? it will not happen.
The administrators aren't sleeping, you can be a subject for investigation if you did a huge scam.
Thank you for your clarification. If you read my post carefully, I never insinuated that administrators should ask for KYC before allowing any business dealings because I am well informed that this forum promotes privacy. I was only doing a comparison between business dealings in the forum and in the conventional world where both parties sign agreements. And these agreements can be tendered as pieces of evidence if there is a breach of contract. I am not also disputing the fact that it is also very possible to investigate crime in the forum because we have competent crime dictators and administrators.
Plagiarism can always be checked by forum staff using specialized services, or users who report cases of plagiarism always confirm the plagiarism with links to the sources. In this way plagiarism is provable. With the facts of fraud is quite different. To confirm the fact of fraud we need to investigate many factors, no one from the staff will do this. Plus, there is the possibility of staff interest in a particular investigation. That is why fraud is not moderated on the forum.
This is the right answer to OP's question, it's as very simple as that.Because if someone commits plagiarism it's easy to conclude that they plagiarized with someone because of the reports while fraud needs investigation that the forum staff or admin never do that since the forum isn't moderated fraud activity. Besides, the forum doesn't want a biased decision when judging a fraud and that is why we have DT members (forum police) who investigate fraud. That's why we have a Trust system and how it will work to warn someone here in the forum.
I think you need to read the rules and guidelines here in the forum so better you understand further.
But there is no easy way to determine that someone is a scammer. So, deciding to moderate scam may end up victimizing the innocent.
Aren't the scam accusation threads a better way to determine a scammer in the forum? If the accused doesn't come to clear his name in the forum, they could be considered guilty. But, something about this forum why I think the scammer is alerted through a negative trust feedback is because not everybody gets notified when their name is quoted in a thread. So, some members may not know about the scam accusation on them, and if they're seen guilty for not responding they may get banned, without proves if they're innocent or not. Plagiarism on the other hand, affects the neatness of the forum; encourages spamming. If plagiarism is not frowned at then members wouldn't spend time crafting out quality writeups on the forum. On the internet, I think Spam is worst than scam as moderators can detect spam themselves yet scam requires both parties to defend themselves. What do you think about a user that copy and paste posts in the forum and gets paid for doing that isn't it a bad practice?
You've failed to realize that 'em BTT account ain't even important to these MFs...all they do is use these accounts as say - baits to catch up with peeps that are gullible, then scam them. So when these accounts are tagged, it means nothing to them.
Secondly, you have to understand that there are ways to fish out a post that's been plagiarized,..and it's even more easier than an irregular Scam project.. now, it doesn't really infer that plagiarism is an offence that supersedes scam,..it only mean that 'em dude that plagiarize are doing it just to merit, so Thier whole efforts are futile when the account is nooked....but for the scammy ones, a little could be done in here; maybe making some more publicity would do???
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Secondly, you have to understand that there are ways to fish out a post that's been plagiarized,..and it's even more easier than an irregular Scam project.. now, it doesn't really infer that plagiarism is an offence that supersedes scam,..it only mean that 'em dude that plagiarize are doing it just to merit, so Thier whole efforts are futile when the account is nooked....but for the scammy ones, a little could be done in here; maybe making some more publicity would do???
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Plagiarism can always be checked by forum staff using specialized services, or users who report cases of plagiarism always confirm the plagiarism with links to the sources. In this way plagiarism is provable. With the facts of fraud is quite different. To confirm the fact of fraud we need to investigate many factors, no one from the staff will do this. Plus, there is the possibility of staff interest in a particular investigation. That is why fraud is not moderated on the forum.
Yeah. I have found myself in a confusing situation several times so far. When I hear stories from one side, I believe them. But, When the opposite side writes an explanation, It looks like he is innocent, and the first party is guilty. Then again, the first part comes with more detailed information, and then the 2nd one. This thing continues, and we don't know who is telling the truth and who is a fraud. I see people create scam accusations against casinos while they are guilty of violating several TOS.
So my question is now is the crime of plagiarism more offensive than scamming?
It's not about being "offensive", it's about avoiding a false sense of security. If you know scams aren't moderated, you're supposed to be more careful yourself. It's part of the freedoms Bitcointalk offers.Plagiarism has nothing to do with freedom, so it gets you banned.
Well to answer your question is in a pure heart, here forum warned against plagiarism in as much as you are trying to make your post also keep note to only post a reliable material or content because I believe people could used here as a reference site that Carry's a legit information about bitcoin and any other related cryptocurrencies. So it will be ideal you post only a trusted material or content, however it's forbids to copy and paste materials from other site without a reference link or a quote from the original author to show authenticity.
For scammers, everyone are liable for their lost, before dealing with anyone here you should carry out your due diligence to ascertain if such person is trusted or reliable to deal with otherwise forum aren't aware of your business transaction with such person. To be at the safer side it is advisable to use a reputable escrow provider to help secure your funds before going into final deal with such person otherwise you could be scammed and if such happened no admin or mod could be able to rescue you or even restore your stollen funds.
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Indeed! Besides that once you posted something in this forum, not unless the moderators delete that certain post, it will be forever attached to your account. That's mostly the reason why you shouldn't post carelessly and should always keep in mind that just one post can cause an impact on your future healthy account. For scammers, everyone are liable for their lost, before dealing with anyone here you should carry out your due diligence to ascertain if such person is trusted or reliable to deal with otherwise forum aren't aware of your business transaction with such person. To be at the safer side it is advisable to use a reputable escrow provider to help secure your funds before going into final deal with such person otherwise you could be scammed and if such happened no admin or mod could be able to rescue you or even restore your stollen funds.
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When it comes to those scams, it is also true that there are so many reputable escrows you can trust to be a middleman in your transactions. Since then, whenever money is involved there are always be problems when it comes to doing peer to peer transactions, and like always they keep saying here on this forum "you are responsible regarding your own security and investment", and "prevention is better than cure". Those are only few reminders to take note here.
So my question is now is the crime of plagiarism more offensive than scamming?
Both are important to get the forum's attention. not only in this forum but more institutions and other communities also prohibit plagiarism. then the forum will make special rules for accounts that commit plagiarism.whereas scammers and forums are not moderated. but they are a concern for other users. tags in the account will be a consideration for anyone not to deal with scammers. although the account is still active on the forum, it still has a warning attached to its account, limiting the work it can do.
It is only in this forum that plagiarism has a heavier punishment that scam. And I understand that the reason it is like that is because there actually a way to detect whoever that plagerised and then punish him/her.
But there is no easy way to determine that someone is a scammer. So, deciding to moderate scam may end up victimising the innocent.
So my question is now is the crime of plagiarism more offensive than scamming?
Both are important to get the forum's attention. not only in this forum but more institutions and other communities also prohibit plagiarism. then the forum will make special rules for accounts that commit plagiarism.whereas scammers and forums are not moderated. but they are a concern for other users. tags in the account will be a consideration for anyone not to deal with scammers. although the account is still active on the forum, it still has a warning attached to its account, limiting the work it can do.
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In the forum I see many big scammers continue their work, their accounts only have red tags, on the other hand, I see many accounts getting banned for plagiarism.
So my question is now is the crime of plagiarism more offensive than scamming?
So my question is now is the crime of plagiarism more offensive than scamming?
Plagiarism: you're stealing someone else works and passing it as yours, Scamming: you're stealing someone else assets. So they're basically the same thing but just as others have said, one has to do with the forum since they have a rule against plagiarism but when it comes to scams the forum let the community to handle that, that's why it doesn't come with a ban. Plagiarism can be easily handled by the forum since it's easier to catch the defaulters but if the forum wants to tackle scams that'll be a challenge to have a rule for that since we have numerous type of scams and new ones are been invented steadily so it's safer to let the community handle that.
Also having your account ban or red tag both make your account useless so neither the scammer or plagiarist are left unpunished.
Ps: if a plagiarist gets just a red tagged, he might continue in that habit and keep benefiting from someone else hustle which defeats the whole point of the rule in the first place but with the scammer, his trick would have been exposed so people would avoid dealing with that particular account that has been marked for scamming.
But let's compare posts from ChatGPT. AI-generated posts are also the most common form of plagiarism, but the forum has not yet decided on the punishment or acceptance of such posts. Accordingly, if fraud takes time to detect, then some plagiarism methods also take time, and we can say that ChatGPT, that is, plagiarism, is also not moderated.
Based on several cases that I saw in that "report plagiarism" thread where members got banned and one even nuked (iirc you reported that nuked guy), I think that forum staff already decided how to deal with ChatGPT users and took the stance on that. Tricky part is to actually prove beyond reasonable doubt that someone used the bot and it will take some time before tools get reliable enough. Jump to: