I don't really get your definition of accidental plagiarism as, it doesn't really nail the issue done. It humps around gathering contents and posting without citation or referencing. That too is intention because, it was done within the range of the freewill. Ignorance might play a role to plagiarism but then, all plagiarism issues on the forum are intentional and it often comes out of a persons lack of proper orientation and in ability to create contents of their own. Now a lot of things can cause this, either your scared, you ain't used to writing, you undermine yourself and ideas etc.
A good writer and someone whom is learned enough would always know that, plagiarism is an offense and haven't been used to a discussion platform and by that mean, other than bitcointalk, these rules should have have a common get by.
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I do appreciate if there is any changes in the ban policy for anyone plagiarism because we make mistakes that is the common thing in the humans but how we are going to differentiate the accidental plagiarism and intentional plagiarism since impossible to identify, so everyone will hide under the accidental mistake when they get ban and enjoy the perks.
I don't think that forum should bother to differentiate those two things, I just said that it maybe wouldn't be a bad thing if there is some other punishment other than perma ban for newbie members. AFAIK, there were cases in which now respected members of the forum were retroactively caught for plagiarism due ignorance when they were newbies, and were given 2nd chance via signature ban due their efforts later on. So who knows, maybe we would get more cases like that if newbies get sig ban at first, because those with bad intentions will most likely just create new account and go on with their merit farming. Rinse and repeat until they manage to reach some rank that will enable them to join signature campaigns. ...but how we are going to differentiate the accidental plagiarism and intentional plagiarism since impossible to identify, so everyone will hide under the accidental mistake when they get ban and enjoy the perks.
It's hard to determine the intent for sure but I don't agree that it's impossible. Maybe we can call it intentional plagiarism if a member does it more often than what would be acceptable as accident? Like it's considered accidental if he forgot to place the link to an article only once or twice?There's no difference between 'accidental' or 'intentional' plagiarism since the outcome is the same. Whether the act is done unilaterally or accidental, if the copied content is plagiarized then you suffer the consequences listed on the forum.
The very nature of plagiarism stems from a person causing it to appear that he/she originally did the work, but in fact, copied it without the consent of the original author. Like in our law, even if you do not have any bad intention to do something, but if the law prohibits it then you are liable malum prohibitum.
Sometimes when newbies publish, they don’t search in advance, or don’t know where to search, don’t pay attention to other software, and don’t know there are similar articles in other places. but! If the entire article is exactly the same, it means plagiarism, or plagiarism from other software articles.
If only one or two sentences in the article are similar, I guess it should not be plagiarism, it should be similar to the author's thinking when thinking. So when we see a similar article, we can check this post to ask if it has been plagiarized or if it was published.
But I think why plagiarize on the forum? These are all thoughts and comments. If you want to give a speech, you can do it. Why copy other people's ideas?
If only one or two sentences in the article are similar, I guess it should not be plagiarism, it should be similar to the author's thinking when thinking. So when we see a similar article, we can check this post to ask if it has been plagiarized or if it was published.
But I think why plagiarize on the forum? These are all thoughts and comments. If you want to give a speech, you can do it. Why copy other people's ideas?
Perhaps a warning for the first found offence could go a long(ish) way, but one of the drawbacks would be that plagiarism isn’t detected on-the-fly, meaning that a given account could incur in plagiarism over time, but may not be reported until way later down the road when he’s already accumulated multiple such offences.
True, plagiarism is sometimes discovered months or even years after it was commited, so if multiple cases of plagiarism are discovered, just give perma ban and that's about it. But, there are cases (albeit very rare) where genuine newbies get rekted right from the start due ignorance and maybe in that cases sig ban for some longer period could be implemented, instead of permanent ban.
I’d still favour a clear, easy to implement, warning above the text box when creating a post (just below the emojics).
Yep, that would be a good start. Doesn't even have to be for all ranks, but let's say while you are newbie/Jr Member. 
how we are going to differentiate the accidental plagiarism and intentional plagiarism since impossible to identify
How's it an accidental when you intentionally browser out what you copied and didn't add sources which means you're passing that information as yours. That you weren't informed about such actions been punishable on the forum is no excuse as we have rules that guide the forum and everyone is to get familiarize with the rules before even beginning exploring the forum. The rules although aren't official aren't hidden so you have no excuse to plagiarized.
On the other hand, the only time I could think of an accidental plagiarism is when you quote a famous quotes and probably forget to highlight the owner of that quote but you have already made it clear in your reply that you're quoting someone. Most of the punished cases of plagiarism involves the accuses coping an article online without linking the source.
The moderators clearly punished those their intentions were merely to pass the work they copied as theirs probably for the merits or acknowledgement of been quality contributors. I have seen scenario of reported posts just been deleted instead of punishing the offenders, clearly those cases weren't seen as an attempt to pass someone else works as theirs.
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how we are going to differentiate the accidental plagiarism and intentional plagiarism since impossible to identify
How's it an accidental when you intentionally browser out what you copied and didn't add sources which means you're passing that information as yours. That you weren't informed about such actions been punishable on the forum is no excuse as we have rules that guide the forum and everyone is to get familiarize with the rules before even beginning exploring the forum. The rules although aren't official aren't hidden so you have no excuse to plagiarized.
On the other hand, the only time I could think of an accidental plagiarism is when you quote a famous quotes and probably forget to highlight the owner of that quote but you have already made it clear in your reply that you're quoting someone. Most of the punished cases of plagiarism involves the accuses coping an article online without linking the source.
The moderators clearly punished those their intentions were merely to pass the work they copied as theirs probably for the merits or acknowledgement of been quality contributors. I have seen scenario of reported posts just been deleted instead of punishing the offenders, clearly those cases weren't seen as an attempt to pass someone else works as theirs.
...but how we are going to differentiate the accidental plagiarism and intentional plagiarism since impossible to identify, so everyone will hide under the accidental mistake when they get ban and enjoy the perks.
It's hard to determine the intent for sure but I don't agree that it's impossible. Maybe we can call it intentional plagiarism if a member does it more often than what would be acceptable as accident? Like it's considered accidental if he forgot to place the link to an article only once or twice? 
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Perhaps a warning for the first found offence could go a long(ish) way, but one of the drawbacks would be that plagiarism isn’t detected on-the-fly, meaning that a given account could incur in plagiarism over time, but may not be reported until way later down the road when he’s already accumulated multiple such offences. I’d still favour a clear, easy to implement, warning above the text box when creating a post (just below the emojics).Folks like that DESERVE a hard slap on the wrist for 1st offense. If they continue to do it then kick their ass to the curb with the rest of the trash.
Now that you mentioned hard slap on the wrist, that's one of the things I would like to do see being used more often when it comes to plagiarism offense. So, instead giving insta ban to new members, rather give them let's say one year sig ban, and in case they do the same thing again, then give them permanent ban.I mean, I am perfectly aware of the fact that vast majority of newbies are doing that on purpose and just for the sake of getting to higher ranks and joining signature campaigns, but every once in a while there might be some genuine user who will make that mistake without having bad intentions.
Folks like that DESERVE a hard slap on the wrist for 1st offense. If they continue to do it then kick their ass to the curb with the rest of the trash.
Now that you mentioned hard slap on the wrist, that's one of the things I would like to do see being used more often when it comes to plagiarism offense. So, instead giving insta ban to new members, rather give them let's say one year sig ban, and in case they do the same thing again, then give them permanent ban.I mean, I am perfectly aware of the fact that vast majority of newbies are doing that on purpose and just for the sake of getting to higher ranks and joining signature campaigns, but every once in a while there might be some genuine user who will make that mistake without having bad intentions.
For me, it becomes plagiarism if they copy it word for word without even a hint of paraphrasing and verbatim to make it look like they're the one's who said and also, if they credit themselves and not the original creator of the article or anything that can be plagiarized, it will be considered plagiarism for me.
FYI, paraphrasing is a plagiarism too, if you don't cite the original source so it won't look any better if newbies try do to that in order to avoid getting banned. If anything, it might be even worse as that means they know what they are doing is wrong, yet they are trying to get away with it in order to appear more knowledgeable and get few merits.As they blithely copy/paste their stolen text into a post they have the source right in front of them so:
A) make it clear that the material came from elsewhere and not from their feeble brain
B) Include links to it
For me, it becomes plagiarism if they copy it word for word without even a hint of paraphrasing and verbatim to make it look like they're the one's who said and also, if they credit themselves and not the original creator of the article or anything that can be plagiarized, it will be considered plagiarism for me.
FYI, paraphrasing is a plagiarism too, if you don't cite the original source so it won't look any better if newbies try do to that in order to avoid getting banned. If anything, it might be even worse as that means they know what they are doing is wrong, yet they are trying to get away with it in order to appear more knowledgeable and get few merits.As others suggested, I would like it too if upon creation of account there is an explanation of some of the most important rules, and what can breaking of the rules lead to. Ignorance is not a valid excuse of course, but for some this is the first forum they ever registered on, and probably have no idea/never really though about plagiarizing as an issue, so this could be even educational.
Regarding plagiarism, I think that verbatim copy without proper text formatting should be seen as such, as in it's essence it is plagiarism (not here though). It doesn't have to be bannable offense, but at least something like signature ban for some period of time.
For newbies to "watch" those rules and warnings, can a dedicated board be offered where, once a newbie signs up, must be redirected and forced to read the rules and "agree" through clicking a button that they have read and understood the rules of the forum?
It again boils down to whether they are going to read that or just click on 'agree' and 'continue' to get rid of the notifications and warnings and access the forum as soon as possible. My previous post with the countdown proposal achieves a similar result for those who want to see what is in front of their eyes. At this point I will support almost anything that involves making the rules about copy-pasting and spamming more visible. 
It is very important that plagiarism is avoided as much as possible here in the forum may it be accidental or intentional. It does not only destroy your reputation in the forum hence you are also stealing illegally an intellectual property of someone. Even though you are just rephrasing their idea, you should still give credits or citation on what you are getting. I think it is very much essential too that you know how to gather and combine the knowledge you getting from many so that you can simply connect it and make it a whole thought and you can avoid plagiarism at the same time as you build a new thought from many.
But there are so many person here do that its because they want to make their works more faster although they know the risk that they might get compromised but they didn't care since majority of forum users do that are newbie account user, so maybe to combat this action the campaign managers should put some strict rules about it and always check the content submitted by their participants sometimes there are lazy bounty managers who doesn't check well the submissions of their participants thats why this kind of act still happening here.
For me, it becomes plagiarism if they copy it word for word without even a hint of paraphrasing and verbatim to make it look like they're the one's who said and also, if they credit themselves and not the original creator of the article or anything that can be plagiarized, it will be considered plagiarism for me.
For newbies to "watch" those rules and warnings, can a dedicated board be offered where, once a newbie signs up, must be redirected and forced to read the rules and "agree" through clicking a button that they have read and understood the rules of the forum? This way, it will save lots of newbies from getting banned while keeping that section locked "where no posts from members of the forum will be allowed". There are some newbies who don't do it intentionally but some want to earn merits, while others just need their activity to grow, be it in number.
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So what? Do you need to copy everything from the Internet in order for some to become more active? And even more so, to receive merit for someone else's work? Are you out of your mind? I read another topic of yours where you suggested not to add sources of copying from your allegedly other social accounts.
I know what it is about. In the last month, I have reported a lot of copying from Reddit. I just reported to the moderators without writing a report in the meta. And for your information, many of the copied posts from one account were from different sources. That is, based on your rules, one person can have several Reddit accounts?
Therefore, newcomers who come here must respect the rules of the forum. Why should we babysit those unable to read?
I diligently check and report all newbie posts, so don't assume that you can just copy and paste here for your own incomprehensible purposes
It is very important that plagiarism is avoided as much as possible here in the forum may it be accidental or intentional. It does not only destroy your reputation in the forum hence you are also stealing illegally an intellectual property of someone. Even though you are just rephrasing their idea, you should still give credits or citation on what you are getting. I think it is very much essential too that you know how to gather and combine the knowledge you getting from many so that you can simply connect it and make it a whole thought and you can avoid plagiarism at the same time as you build a new thought from many.
For newbies to "watch" those rules and warnings, can a dedicated board be offered where, once a newbie signs up, must be redirected and forced to read the rules and "agree" through clicking a button that they have read and understood the rules of the forum? This way, it will save lots of newbies from getting banned while keeping that section locked "where no posts from members of the forum will be allowed". There are some newbies who don't do it intentionally but some want to earn merits, while others just need their activity to grow, be it in number.
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