Topic: [Plandemic Survey] I wonder how many of you have been vaccinated ? - page 2. (Read 590 times)

You can 'spell it out' until the cows some home, but your spelling out both false data and a highly incomplete/invalid interpretations.

Vaxxed people have an equal or higher viral load when they get the currently active 'variants' (now that the original from whence the genetic material for the gene therapy was harvested complements of our Chinese friends in Wuhan is extinct.)  If this turns out to be like the mumps vaccine failure scenario, the vaxxed turn into asymptomatic carriers with long lived colonies of the wild strain virus.  So, they become super spreaders who are out and about spreading and shedding because the feel OK.  Also, the vaccine wears off increasingly fast among the 'vaxxed' and in a lot of individuals it stops working at all.  This is why we see mumps outbreaks in almost 100% vaccinated populations on such places as college campuses.

Back in my day, we all got mumps before our testicles dropped and had life-long immunity.  Getting it after puberty when it could cause male infertility was very rare.  Now, because of the vax, it is not uncommon at all.  The pharma solution?  More vaccines in the form of 'boosters' of course.

Mumps is a nothingburger in terms of sickness.  I know from having it and having all my friends have it.  It almost never caused anything but a swollen neck and a few days in bed, and you never went to the hospital or anything.  Maybe mom chatted with the doctor on the phone, but usually not even that because everyone knew what it was and how to deal with it.  We liked having the a week off school.  When women started working more it became a cost issue for companies who employed mothers.  That was the justification for even bothering with a vaccine.

Mumps is also an interesting failure in that with MMR, all three had to show 95% efficacy for licensure.  As the mumps component failed, Merck got increasingly desperate and tried every kind of lab trick to 'show' 95%.  Ultimately they just penciled in numbers in the lab books and some internal whistleblowers came forward.  Merck's trump card was a pocket full of politicians and regulators.  Julie Gerberding went straight from CDC director to VP of vaccines at Merck when she got done with her 'public service'.  Merck kept their highly valuable MMR franchise, and you, dear reader, have never heard of this little hic-up.

If the use of analogy is "fancy", then we've reached a new nadir. Reasoned human debate may no longer be possible. Shall we just throw faeces at one another?

I will spell it out. A thing can be effective without being 100% effective. No-one ever said that vaccines were 100% protective against infection. But they are, as the data indicate perfectly clearly, extremely protective against infection, particularly symptomatic infection. If you have been vaccinated, you are less likely to catch Covid. If you have been vaccinated and do catch Covid, then you are less likely to cough it out over someone else. Vaccination reduces the spread. This is not complicated.

Global herd immunity is unlikely. Effective herd immunity within a population may be achievable, if everyone is vaccinated (or has caught the virus). People who have not had the virus, who refuse the vaccine when offered, are actively working against achieving herd immunity.

This looks like conspiracy. Like every conspiracy, it can be true, at least partially. IMHO the main reason why they forced people to get vaxx is because they earn lots of money. Your health is something they do not care at all.

Well,I have not been vaccinated, reasons is because, I fear that the vaccine is becoming dangerous as the day goes by,and also I have heard so much about the death rate that the vaccine has caused, so with these I have heard, i have decided not to take the vaccine,to avoid the risk of eliminating my life.Furthermore, it seems the vaccine is now been forced on people because they want to use this medium to reduce the population rate in the society.

I'm vaccinated already. At first, im hesitant to do what the Government has to say especially that I also have health issues and afraid of the side effects that this vaccine might cause.

But eventually I was convinced and had the shot. Its free and my reason for complying is, the virus is still existing and the situation here is not improving. I envy those countries who already moved on and started their new beginning, but here we are still in lockdown and its been almost 2 years since this situation started.

Though they say the vaccine is for protection, it doesnt mean you are not prone to get infected if you had it. Thus, strong immune system is really necessary regardless if you're vaccinated or not. Having yourself to be vaccinated is your own choice and should not be mandated.

you got fancy with "analogy" but the irony is you can't even "analyze" my point/topic, therefore you can't discuss.

the fact is.. you are just being evasive.

[Plandemic Survey] I wonder how many of you have been vaccinated ?


You would have gotten more vaxxed people voting, if a bunch of them hadn't died off from the vaxx already.

I can't tell if you are trolling, or genuinely don't understand. If you're trolling, then well done, you got me. If you genuinely don't understand, then this should help.

Hahahaha...why do you think after taking covid-19 vaccine, the person can still become infected?
What is the need of taking the vaccine when your immune system can still condole the virus
Does it not look unnecessary after taken the vaccine and still become infected...this is totally unacceptable!

The vaccinated should also do the same since both the vaxxed an unvaxxed can still be infect.

Right! Cnut doesn't realize that many people, mostly military, jump out of planes without parachutes every day... after the plane has landed. But it looks like in the US we are going to have fewer of them.


Army MD Grounds All Vaccinated Pilots, Recommends Immediate Halt to Military Vaccination

appalling indeed. since you answer a topic with a different topic LOL

I'll tell you a little secret about how they cook the numbers.  'vaccinated' is not equal to 'injected' in their definition, but they won't tell you that.  If a person is 'injected' in Jan 1, they won't be 'vaccinated' until mid Feb because it doesn't start until 14 days after the second inject (for multi-dose gene therapies.)  Then 2.5 months later you are back to being 'unvaccinated' again.  At least by some definitions which the propagandists are prone to use when writing fodder like the above for audiences like you.  That's about 2.5 months.

Note also that in spite of 'theconversation.com' going on about 'journalistic integrity', they cannot even figure out how to put a date on the story.  This is important for reasons associated with another common scam:  Writing a story about the 'unvaxxed' dying, but not mentioning that the time window was before the gene therapy injections were rolled out in a big way so very few people even could be 'vaxxed'.



That's just a graphic with zero information, including the date we just talked about.  what a joke.



Here's another scam you should know about.  If an uninjected person dies of just about anything, it gets counted as 'covid'.  If an injected person dies from the jab, they count it as something else, or as 'covid' if they need more numbers.  Just depends on what story they would like to paint.  One thing it will never be labeled as is a 'adverse reaction to the gene therapy.'

The same game is easily played with hospitalizations.  In short, the books are so obviously cooked that mainstream media stories, public health data, celebrity doctor proclamations which will be directed to come up in your social media feed, etc, are completely useless even if one does know the tricks they use.



You also should be careful because it cuts both ways.  You will find out that you 'bet wrong' on this one I'm afaid.

I know exactly zero people who died of 'covid-19', and nobody who has been terribly sick for the last year or so.  I have direct first or second degree information on around 20 people who have died within a week of getting the jab and were progressively sicker and sicker from the needle until their death.  About 70% of these were in rural areas in a 'developing world' country where I live, and the other 30% were in larger cities.  I had to loan money for funeral expenses to a friend who lost three of her mother's siblings at the same time and within a week of the jab.  That occurred in a larger urban area.

Again, all of these people will have been logged as 'unvaccinated' due to the timings of their injections and their deaths.

Your logic is appalling. Some people who smoke heavily all their lives don't get lung cancer... therefore smoking doesn't cause lung cancer, right?
Some ​people who wear parachutes when jumping out of a plane die on landing... therefore we may as well all jump out of planes without wearing parachutes?
 


Well, you used the word, so let's use it again.

it is official that even if you are vaccinated you can still get covid so getting vaxxed will not achieve herd immunity. idiot.

It is obvious that gov restrictions has a lot of negative affects. People who obey (encourage) these restrictions participate on every negative effect of these restrictions. So taking vaxx do affects others. Sorry to say, but your statement is not true.

I do not say, that not taking vaxx do not effects others. It does, like everything else, that's how universe works. But blaming anti-vaxxers from all negative effects and renounce your own share... It looks like really hard gov brainwash.

To your analogy - it is totally not pertinent. You live in real world, full of microorganism, get used to it. If you don't like it, if you panically fear of it, I have only one recommendation: psychologist. It is not normal to live in such a fear - contact with microorganisms is base of good immunity. Comparing natural environment with shooting people is... hardly over the line. Reality cannot be simplified too much even in theoretical conversation - from certain border it starts to be lies.

Yeah, really? And what is this "simple arithmetic", in your opinion?

Is this not simple enough for you?


Or this?



Or this?


You know, this is serious. Someone might read your antivaxxer bs and die because of believing it. Be careful with what you are saying, when many people can potentially read it.

Not as dramatic as people equating wearing masks to oppression.

 ( I get the hyperbole and agree with most of what you said )

It's been a busy week writing boring letters to state legislators addressing a few issues one of them is this...
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2021/10/01/california-becomes-first-state-in-nation-to-announce-covid-19-vaccine-requirements-for-schools/

Yeah, 'herd immunity' with a therapy which doesn't keep people from becoming obtaining or spreading an infection.  That illustrates perfectly the level of understanding that the average ass-clown has when it comes to epidemiology.

The average ass-clown takes to 'blame those who we label an enemy' like a fish to water.  You've illustrated that very well too.  As Goering says: '...it works the same way in every political system and every country', and his regime certainly was proficient at motivating the peeps.

Anyway, we who have natural immunity will eventually get the 'herd' to herd immunity.   The policies of the government might stretch it out, and were probably hoped to.  It didn't really slow things down that much so the last 75% of the 'crisis' has been nearly complete fraud.  The recent 'spikes' are a thing, but are almost 100% adverse reactions to the gene therapy inject.


Why do you feel so confident in the 'clear' data when it comes from people you claim not to trust?  You are a little bit mixed up in your logic it seems.

I can see that it's an imposition. But it's not a freedom issue unless the consequences of both action and inaction affect only you. With the Covid vaccine, your action of taking the vaccine may give you side effects, so affects only you, but your inaction in refusing to take it affects others, because you increase the chances of them contracting the virus. The argument against this, that everyone has been offered the vaccine, so by refusing to take it you are only increasing the risk to others who have refused... is relevant only in an idealised situation that doesn't exist in the real world. There are for example plenty of people who can't take the vaccine for medical reasons, and people who are too young to take it, and there is still of course cross-border travel.

My analogy of someone waving a gun around in a public place, if somewhat dramatic, is pertinent.




If you are angry about lockdowns and other restrictions, then blame the anti-vaxxers... they are the ones preventing effective herd immunity.



I don't trust companies, who are motivated by profit, or members of the government, who are motivated by self-interest. But the data are clear.

You are also perfectly free to hunker down in your apartment dousing yourself with cleaning solvent if you have some irrational phobia about germs.

Nobody owes anyone else some fantasy risk-free existence, and particularly not neurotic freaks who've been driven over the edge of insanity by corp/gov propaganda because they never learned to apply simple arithmetic.