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Quote from: Hamphser on December 21, 2021, 02:41:52 PM

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Quote from: uneng on December 20, 2021, 02:59:51 PM

However, you never know when a long loss streak is going to get you. It can happen even on the first roll streak of the day.

So far you are running away with profit because you are being lucky, and that is really good, but if you keep doing this day after day, you will end facing a different scenario where the losses will surpass the winnings. And there is no way to avoid this in dice game.

One of the things many people do not get is that while there can be a huge variance if your sample size is small once the sample is big enough then the results will begin to align with the averages that you are supposed to expect from the games, so even if on the short run you can earn money in games with a negative expected value, if you play for a long enough time then the results will return to the mean which means that you will begin to experiment losses.

And when you experience losses then this is the time you would really be trying up to chase your losses and made up different kind of strategies out of your desperation which is something a very common behavior of

someone to make which is actually the reality of most people been playing out with dice.We know that this game is based on luck and theres no way that you could really make profits on playing on long term.

Yes, you could really get out without having loss or in profits but you shouldnt really make yourself confident because once streaks do happen you would really change up your mood.

Experienced based, most of us will agree to that statement, losing streak or winning streak will change your mood, even you really set up your plan but if things didn't show the way, you wanted things to happen you will lose your control, emotion mostly leads you in making mistakes.

Best to play this game with the intention of having some fun and allocate amount that you are willing to let go.

That way you will not suffer a lot, strategy or system whatever it is, not a guarantee only luck will help you big time,. Grin

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Quote from: South Park on December 21, 2021, 12:47:50 PM

Quote from: uneng on December 20, 2021, 02:59:51 PM

However, you never know when a long loss streak is going to get you. It can happen even on the first roll streak of the day.

So far you are running away with profit because you are being lucky, and that is really good, but if you keep doing this day after day, you will end facing a different scenario where the losses will surpass the winnings. And there is no way to avoid this in dice game.

One of the things many people do not get is that while there can be a huge variance if your sample size is small once the sample is big enough then the results will begin to align with the averages that you are supposed to expect from the games, so even if on the short run you can earn money in games with a negative expected value, if you play for a long enough time then the results will return to the mean which means that you will begin to experiment losses.

And when you experience losses then this is the time you would really be trying up to chase your losses and made up different kind of strategies out of your desperation which is something a very common behavior of

someone to make which is actually the reality of most people been playing out with dice.We know that this game is based on luck and theres no way that you could really make profits on playing on long term.

Yes, you could really get out without having loss or in profits but you shouldnt really make yourself confident because once streaks do happen you would really change up your mood.

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Quote from: uneng on December 20, 2021, 02:59:51 PM

However, you never know when a long loss streak is going to get you. It can happen even on the first roll streak of the day.

So far you are running away with profit because you are being lucky, and that is really good, but if you keep doing this day after day, you will end facing a different scenario where the losses will surpass the winnings. And there is no way to avoid this in dice game.

One of the things many people do not get is that while there can be a huge variance if your sample size is small once the sample is big enough then the results will begin to align with the averages that you are supposed to expect from the games, so even if on the short run you can earn money in games with a negative expected value, if you play for a long enough time then the results will return to the mean which means that you will begin to experiment losses.

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Casinos ban players/their bots for different betting strategies, maybe for some card games, but never for dice. Dice is a game in which you cannot cheat (unless you are trying to infiltrate the software that the casino uses), so the casino has nothing against bots that players use to play dice. The only limitation that I know about is the speed of making bets - the speed is slower on micro-stakes, this is done so that small players do not bother the casino with their activity.

Casinos wouldn't accept bots on their games I mean all their games most especially dice games except the bots would place bets for him automatically using some fixed parameters. Using bots as strategy for predicting outcomes is similar to cheating the system and casinos and most casinos will kick against it

None of your strategy of "predictions" changes the mathematical essence of casino games (the advantage is always on the side of the casino), so the casino does not care how you place your bets - manually or with the help of a bot (this is also true of your strategy - you can invent it yourself or with the help of a bot ).

Quote from: madnessteat on December 20, 2021, 09:29:08 AM

I have never used scripts or bots for gambling so I am not strong in this but I always thought that gambling sites prohibit the use of any third-party bots and automating scripts and ban the accounts of such users.

A couple of times I used an automated script to increase the speed of the game but its use was offered by the gambling site itself.

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Playing gambling using the same amount every day is a good idea but if we want to test a script or use a bot to find the right setting is not easy because we need to prepare some amounts that we will use and we do not know when we can get the correct setting for that script.

Maybe what you did can work successfully someday but until that day, how many amounts you will use and how good you can accept the risk. I am not good with math but I am curious how long you will get the correct setting and I can only wish that you will get what you want someday.

I don't know if it's a good idea to play gambling with the same amount everyday without a fail. It feels like you will lose more money than earning while trying to find a good settings for the bot. If it's just a test run they shouldn't use it yet using a real money/crypto it should be tested first if what are the possible outcome.

It's too risky to use it in gambling yet and to avoid unnecessary wasting of money, find someone who can help you to finish your script or plan.

I agree that it should be tested first, but it is not guaranteed that you will come up with the same result. I don't know, but using bots or experimentation settings with it with the purpose of earning money is not that good since you'll end up losing. However, if you play just for fun and want to experiment with it, then it is good. Gambling is for fun for me or for entertainment, not a source of income, but if I get lucky, then that is really good.

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It is not only the Martingale strategy that does not work in dice. Pretty much all kinds of strategies in dice do not work. The house edge will always prevail in the long run. So there is really not much point in crafting a strategy that would defeat the house. The only thing that could defeat the house is luck. And luck which is consistent. But we all know that if luck sides with you, it will be temporary. It is fleeting. You may have a winning streak even in 20% winning chance in dice but it will not be happening forever.

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Quote from: ipanks on December 18, 2021, 03:58:44 AM

Playing gambling using the same amount every day is a good idea but if we want to test a script or use a bot to find the right setting is not easy because we need to prepare some amounts that we will use and we do not know when we can get the correct setting for that script.

Maybe what you did can work successfully someday but until that day, how many amounts you will use and how good you can accept the risk. I am not good with math but I am curious how long you will get the correct setting and I can only wish that you will get what you want someday.

I don't know if it's a good idea to play gambling with the same amount everyday without a fail. It feels like you will lose more money than earning while trying to find a good settings for the bot. If it's just a test run they shouldn't use it yet using a real money/crypto it should be tested first if what are the possible outcome.

It's too risky to use it in gambling yet and to avoid unnecessary wasting of money, find someone who can help you to finish your script or plan.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on December 20, 2021, 05:03:13 PM

^ Is this third-party script bot will really have worked and is reliable?
That is definitely right, it is too risky if there is someone who will use this for the sake of their gambling, they think that it gives accurate results but the fact is not. I rather choose to place a bet manually than use a bot, there are too many functions that your need remember.

The script is different from the automated tools you are seeing on a gambling site. There are added parameters on the script. The script was designed to cover the lack of features of the automated tools on the site. It should work but not to the point it will give good results. It's just a script after all. There are working scripts in the past but as time passes by, it's not being used now by most gamblers.

Quote from: DoublerHunter on December 20, 2021, 05:03:13 PM

I have a question that I want to share, is there someone that has been used this script boat?

What script? The one OP is referring to? There is no script but it's just a plan.

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Quote from: seleme on December 20, 2021, 04:43:13 PM

It is not supported to use third-party scripts or bots on some gambling platforms, logically they apply this rule for protecting user's privacy. Prying eyes can steal the coins from balance with malicious software/code and the users usually blame casino administration for letting hacker do its job. Generally, using bots for betting is good idea to get rid of the red cold streaks before betting.

^ Is this third-party script bot will really have worked and is reliable?
That is definitely right, it is too risky if there is someone who will use this for the sake of their gambling, they think that it gives accurate results but the fact is not. I rather choose to place a bet manually than use a bot, there are too many functions that your need remember.
However, I have a question that I want to share, is there someone that has been used this script boat?

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on December 19, 2021, 07:29:00 AM

OP is creating a new bot for his gambling activity, we are not sure if the casino will allow the kind of bot that he is going to use because t is still in the testing period, there's a lot of risks in creating your own bot for all we know he can get his account ban and casino could mark his account as a cheater, we all know casinos will not allow cheating the system.

Casinos ban players/their bots for different betting strategies, maybe for some card games, but never for dice. Dice is a game in which you cannot cheat (unless you are trying to infiltrate the software that the casino uses), so the casino has nothing against bots that players use to play dice. The only limitation that I know about is the speed of making bets - the speed is slower on micro-stakes, this is done so that small players do not bother the casino with their activity.

I have never used scripts or bots for gambling so I am not strong in this but I always thought that gambling sites prohibit the use of any third-party bots and automating scripts and ban the accounts of such users.

A couple of times I used an automated script to increase the speed of the game but its use was offered by the gambling site itself.

It is not supported to use third-party scripts or bots on some gambling platforms, logically they apply this rule for protecting user's privacy. Prying eyes can steal the coins from balance with malicious software/code and the users usually blame casino administration for letting hacker do its job. Generally, using bots for betting is good idea to get rid of the red cold streaks before betting.

Regarding the question about reliability, it depends on the website and team. For example, some bot services are in market since 2008, these services will never scam the customer for few hundred bucks. Just use 2FA and you are good to go.

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See I remember watching video of a YouTuber who already did all of that, he made the arguments as well at least and he did not really gain anything and did loose a lot as well, therefore I do think you should have tried to look at the videos before tho.

Understanding mathematics and being good at gambling is quite different, counting cards is one of the thing that you can compare to it but here in the dice using the martingale which does not work and we all know that, that's why I think it would be futile making analysis regarding that.

I think most people associate gambling with mathematics due to the probability of winning on a certain round. Though some may be arguably accurate, I still doubt that there may be an application or solution that would give you absolute results.

Playing dice, on the other hand, totally relies on luck due to its nature being primarily random. Unlike card games where you can at least minimize the risks or somehow predict the cards, in dice the only factor that you can derive such is from the moment you throw it on the table.

Mathematics can only show gamblers they aren't going to win on long run when playing dice and for the smartest ones math can be useful when managing the bankroll in a more efficient way, and that is all.

Actually dice game use mathematics against gamblers to have a small advantage over them, through the house edge and that is an immutable fact.

Usually when gamblers are newbies they really think they can defeat the house by using methods like the one presented in OP. Once they acquire some experience these thoughts and beliefs disappear.

I always run away with profit, it is matter of time to lose the bankroll due to the house edge. Having a lucky run means we have to take it and come back another day, otherwise, the house edge will kick in and the result will be same.

However, you never know when a long loss streak is going to get you. It can happen even on the first roll streak of the day.

So far you are running away with profit because you are being lucky, and that is really good, but if you keep doing this day after day, you will end facing a different scenario where the losses will surpass the winnings. And there is no way to avoid this in dice game.

Just let them be on realizing off things because they wont really be believing into someone when they dont actually experienced it for themselves on which this had been always the reality of things.

People do win on constant basis or simple in profits would have that mindset that they had beat up the game and since they havent losing that much or still on positive and they decided to keep

on doing things but its true that no one knows on what would be next which neither losing streak would be next in line which would really be opening your eyes on how this gambling works.

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Quote from: vandread on December 17, 2021, 09:26:37 PM

We have all played the coinflip at some point in life.

definitely haven't played yet

Quote from: vandread on December 17, 2021, 09:26:37 PM

And we all know the martingale strategy does not work at all in the long run.

but i completely agree with you that martingale strategy doesn't work, i tested it with sports betting at the beginning and ended up with my bankroll at zero

Quote from: vandread on December 17, 2021, 09:26:37 PM

Since the martingale system was a no go, I decided to use another pattern which to my surprize performed much better than the martingale.
Then I ran a couple million simulations and found that the max loss in a row rarely exceeds 15, so I decided to take the loss at 16 losses. And with a bit of luck you will earn the money back.

I'm betting 0.0005 dogecoin as a basebet, so as you can imagine it doesn't make an awful lot of money short-term, but 150-200 dogecoin a day isn't that bad. I'm building up the bankroll so I can bet more and more with time.

I'm not a genious when it comes to math, but I'm using 150 dogecoin as "the bankroll" every day. Meaning if it does go bust I have to make up for it with some of my earnings vaulted.

you have a big project in hand

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Quote from: fiulpro on December 19, 2021, 11:34:28 AM

See I remember watching video of a YouTuber who already did all of that, he made the arguments as well at least and he did not really gain anything and did loose a lot as well, therefore I do think you should have tried to look at the videos before tho.

Understanding mathematics and being good at gambling is quite different, counting cards is one of the thing that you can compare to it but here in the dice using the martingale which does not work and we all know that, that's why I think it would be futile making analysis regarding that.

I think most people associate gambling with mathematics due to the probability of winning on a certain round. Though some may be arguably accurate, I still doubt that there may be an application or solution that would give you absolute results.

Playing dice, on the other hand, totally relies on luck due to its nature being primarily random. Unlike card games where you can at least minimize the risks or somehow predict the cards, in dice the only factor that you can derive such is from the moment you throw it on the table.

Mathematics can only show gamblers they aren't going to win on long run when playing dice and for the smartest ones math can be useful when managing the bankroll in a more efficient way, and that is all.

Actually dice game use mathematics against gamblers to have a small advantage over them, through the house edge and that is an immutable fact.

Usually when gamblers are newbies they really think they can defeat the house by using methods like the one presented in OP. Once they acquire some experience these thoughts and beliefs disappear.

I always run away with profit, it is matter of time to lose the bankroll due to the house edge. Having a lucky run means we have to take it and come back another day, otherwise, the house edge will kick in and the result will be same.

However, you never know when a long loss streak is going to get you. It can happen even on the first roll streak of the day.

So far you are running away with profit because you are being lucky, and that is really good, but if you keep doing this day after day, you will end facing a different scenario where the losses will surpass the winnings. And there is no way to avoid this in dice game.

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Quote from: madnessteat on December 20, 2021, 09:29:08 AM

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on December 19, 2021, 07:29:00 AM

OP is creating a new bot for his gambling activity, we are not sure if the casino will allow the kind of bot that he is going to use because t is still in the testing period, there's a lot of risks in creating your own bot for all we know he can get his account ban and casino could mark his account as a cheater, we all know casinos will not allow cheating the system.

Casinos ban players/their bots for different betting strategies, maybe for some card games, but never for dice. Dice is a game in which you cannot cheat (unless you are trying to infiltrate the software that the casino uses), so the casino has nothing against bots that players use to play dice. The only limitation that I know about is the speed of making bets - the speed is slower on micro-stakes, this is done so that small players do not bother the casino with their activity.

I have never used scripts or bots for gambling so I am not strong in this but I always thought that gambling sites prohibit the use of any third-party bots and automating scripts and ban the accounts of such users.

A couple of times I used an automated script to increase the speed of the game but its use was offered by the gambling site itself.

Most of them had already some readied up strategies or bots that you could make use of as a player which means you wont really be needing some external source for you to make use of.You would really get banned if you
are tagging up with some illegal acts or shady movement against their TOS then its normal on having those kind of decisions but if not then you would really be having no care at all.
Play in automation and this is where bots are useful and as for scripts then making out some alteration or changes on how you do bet is something that people could
easily modify it out.

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Quote from: madnessteat on December 20, 2021, 09:29:08 AM

I have never used scripts or bots for gambling so I am not strong in this but I always thought that gambling sites prohibit the use of any third-party bots and automating scripts and ban the accounts of such users.

A couple of times I used an automated script to increase the speed of the game but its use was offered by the gambling site itself.

I think that prohibition is more strictly enforced when we are talking about games in which you play against other players, after all when it comes to other traditional casino games you play against the house whether you use a bot or not should make no difference at all when it comes to winning or losing.

But when you are playing against other gamblers a bot can be a huge difference as it is not subject to emotions and can make calculations with a precision that no human can match, and as such it will give you a huge advantage over other players, so in that instance casinos will enforce that rule way more harshly as they will lose players over the long term if bots keep beating them.

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Quote from: madnessteat on December 20, 2021, 09:29:08 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on December 20, 2021, 07:55:01 AM

Quote from: fortunecrypto on December 19, 2021, 07:29:00 AM

OP is creating a new bot for his gambling activity, we are not sure if the casino will allow the kind of bot that he is going to use because t is still in the testing period, there's a lot of risks in creating your own bot for all we know he can get his account ban and casino could mark his account as a cheater, we all know casinos will not allow cheating the system.

Casinos ban players/their bots for different betting strategies, maybe for some card games, but never for dice. Dice is a game in which you cannot cheat (unless you are trying to infiltrate the software that the casino uses), so the casino has nothing against bots that players use to play dice. The only limitation that I know about is the speed of making bets - the speed is slower on micro-stakes, this is done so that small players do not bother the casino with their activity.

I have never used scripts or bots for gambling so I am not strong in this but I always thought that gambling sites prohibit the use of any third-party bots and automating scripts and ban the accounts of such users.

A couple of times I used an automated script to increase the speed of the game but its use was offered by the gambling site itself.

In my opinion, it is logical that there are no bans on the use of bots for playing dice. If the game of dice initially involves winning in a casino, then there is no point in introducing prohibitions. A player using bots will only increase his loss and increase the profit of the casino.

I don't really like dices. Precisely because I have no opportunity to influence the outcome of the game. It has a devastating effect on my psyche. I am concerned that I may develop learned helplessness syndrome. This happens in people who understand that their efforts do not in any way affect their effectiveness and efficiency.

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on December 19, 2021, 07:29:00 AM

OP is creating a new bot for his gambling activity, we are not sure if the casino will allow the kind of bot that he is going to use because t is still in the testing period, there's a lot of risks in creating your own bot for all we know he can get his account ban and casino could mark his account as a cheater, we all know casinos will not allow cheating the system.

Casinos ban players/their bots for different betting strategies, maybe for some card games, but never for dice. Dice is a game in which you cannot cheat (unless you are trying to infiltrate the software that the casino uses), so the casino has nothing against bots that players use to play dice. The only limitation that I know about is the speed of making bets - the speed is slower on micro-stakes, this is done so that small players do not bother the casino with their activity.

I have never used scripts or bots for gambling so I am not strong in this but I always thought that gambling sites prohibit the use of any third-party bots and automating scripts and ban the accounts of such users.

A couple of times I used an automated script to increase the speed of the game but its use was offered by the gambling site itself.

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Quote from: KTChampions on December 20, 2021, 07:55:01 AM

Quote from: fortunecrypto on December 19, 2021, 07:29:00 AM

OP is creating a new bot for his gambling activity, we are not sure if the casino will allow the kind of bot that he is going to use because t is still in the testing period, there's a lot of risks in creating your own bot for all we know he can get his account ban and casino could mark his account as a cheater, we all know casinos will not allow cheating the system.

Casinos ban players/their bots for different betting strategies, maybe for some card games, but never for dice. Dice is a game in which you cannot cheat (unless you are trying to infiltrate the software that the casino uses), so the casino has nothing against bots that players use to play dice. The only limitation that I know about is the speed of making bets - the speed is slower on micro-stakes, this is done so that small players do not bother the casino with their activity.

Casinos wouldn't accept bots on their games I mean all their games most especially dice games except the bots would place bets for him automatically using some fixed parameters. Using bots as strategy for predicting outcomes is similar to cheating the system and casinos and most casinos will kick against it

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on December 19, 2021, 07:29:00 AM

OP is creating a new bot for his gambling activity, we are not sure if the casino will allow the kind of bot that he is going to use because t is still in the testing period, there's a lot of risks in creating your own bot for all we know he can get his account ban and casino could mark his account as a cheater, we all know casinos will not allow cheating the system.

Casinos ban players/their bots for different betting strategies, maybe for some card games, but never for dice. Dice is a game in which you cannot cheat (unless you are trying to infiltrate the software that the casino uses), so the casino has nothing against bots that players use to play dice. The only limitation that I know about is the speed of making bets - the speed is slower on micro-stakes, this is done so that small players do not bother the casino with their activity.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on December 19, 2021, 11:38:56 AM

I think most people associate gambling with mathematics due to the probability of winning on a certain round. Though some may be arguably accurate, I still doubt that there may be an application or solution that would give you absolute results.

Playing dice, on the other hand, totally relies on luck due to its nature being primarily random. Unlike card games where you can at least minimize the risks or somehow predict the cards, in dice the only factor that you can derive such is from the moment you throw it on the table.

Probably most relevant if it was a physical game would be physics, in theory you can calculate the bias in a game even roulette wheels can develop hot patches on the wheel where its more likely to land then others. There is inevitable wear and repeated observation of results give a probability to the outcome so physics and maths can become relevant. Someone in London took a laser to a Casino to precisely measure all movements of a roulette wheel and was able to realistically map out better odds to bet with then just a straight guess. The casino sued but was found to have no clause against advanced equipment in this way so the winnings were valid despite the advantage.
Dice online is much harder to do anything like this, most of the time most of us would be kidding ourselves to imagine we influence the game to our advantage. The very best strategy is to manage money efficiently and take profits as said, quit while you ahead as every game has a cost to play its not free or supposed to be .

Not free at all, and whenever you have the chance to quit while you are ahead, it's the best strategy to have. Though most of the gamblers don't have that mentality, thinking that they can move forward and win more, or thinking that luck is accompanying them around. It's no longer new to each of us that after playing long hours we regret sometimes, more on what if we quit before we suffer that big losses?

Dice strategy will depend on how you play and protect your bankroll, more on self strategy and not on any available system.

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