Please suggest a legitimate mixer / tumbler.

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Quote from: squatter on December 07, 2019, 06:19:39 PM

But isn't there a whole system of centrally enforced escrow, arbitration, and so on? I always wondered how this worked in particular with fiat money transactions. Is this not true

I've no experience about trading with fiat money, but both escrow and arbitration isn't centralized.

Bisq have their own DAO (Decentralized Autonomous Organization) to manage escrow and arbitration with voting and bond. It's far from perfect, but it certainly more decentralized than other exchange.

Quote from: squatter on December 07, 2019, 06:19:39 PM

I'm also curious about the privacy implications. No AML/KYC is obviously a big feature, but are there other concerns when using their desktop application?

AFAIK no, even though i don't remember whether the application has been audited or not.

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Quote from: squatter on December 05, 2019, 03:47:14 PM

All "DEX" platforms are centralized, and most -- like Binance DEX or the Bitshares-based exchanges -- are even custodial and trust-based. They aren't what they advertise at all. The "decentralized" trading refers to tokenized assets while the real assets are held in custody.

What "DEX" allows you to exchange for Monero or Grin, anyway? Centralized accountless exchangers like Flyp.me still seem like the best option.

While it's true that most "DEX" platforms are centralized, there are few real DEX such as https://bisq.network/

They support both Monero & Grin, additionally BTC/XMR pair have good volume (compared to another pair)

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Quote from: ABCbits on December 06, 2019, 01:47:36 PM

While it's true that most "DEX" platforms are centralized, there are few real DEX such as https://bisq.network/

They support both Monero & Grin, additionally BTC/XMR pair have good volume (compared to another pair)

But isn't there a whole system of centrally enforced escrow, arbitration, and so on? I always wondered how this worked in particular with fiat money transactions. Is this not true:

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it never has custody of your funds

It does. There is a security deposit and escrow. It might be temporarily owned/held by more than one individual, with a complex way of keeping it away from any one person or company, but the money isn't just peer-to-peer. There is a central system that it has to go through and be held by.

I'm also curious about the privacy implications. No AML/KYC is obviously a big feature, but are there other concerns when using their desktop application?

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Quote from: GSpgh on December 05, 2019, 08:27:31 AM

If you want fast you'll need to use one of the centralized mixers or use Monero or Zcash or Grin which probably also means using a centralized exchange and paying more in fees.

You could use DEX if you want to avoid centralized exchange.

All "DEX" platforms are centralized, and most -- like Binance DEX or the Bitshares-based exchanges -- are even custodial and trust-based. They aren't what they advertise at all. The "decentralized" trading refers to tokenized assets while the real assets are held in custody.

What "DEX" allows you to exchange for Monero or Grin, anyway? Centralized accountless exchangers like Flyp.me still seem like the best option.

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Guys, I didn't wanted to say that wearing paid signature force you to become paid shill. Having honest opinion is always good thing. But @sujonali1819 post was little strange for me looking from advertisers perspective - he is getting paid from Blender.io, but he didn't said even single word about it and just mentioned their direct competitor Chipmixer.

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Quote from: TryNinja on December 04, 2019, 07:27:43 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on December 04, 2019, 04:49:09 PM

Quote from: AdolfinWolf on December 04, 2019, 09:43:12 AM

What about the mixer in your signature? Tongue

Takes balls to promote a competitor when you have a vested(?) interest in promoting the site you're getting paid to promote, no?

LOL, this is really ridiculous. @sujonali1819, I doubt that Blender.io is paying you to promote their main competitor in the market Chipmixer.
This is probably case when you don't even check what you're advertising in your signature.

I don't get the big deal with it. He is getting paid to use their signature, not shill them. I ad ChipMixer in my signature AND also in my posts because I like it and support it. If there was a better mixer, I would honestly suggest it for other users (along with probably ChipMixer). Having an opinion solely based on which company is paying you sounds... bad?

Business =/= personal opinion.

I agree- i wasn’t being sarcastic (Although i think you were mainly responding to LTU’s post in the first place). I think it’s a good thing that regardless what you are promoting, you still speak your mind- and not try to mindlessly please whoever’s signature you’re wearing, like a lot of other users would.

Anyway, good on you sujo.

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Quote from: AdolfinWolf on December 04, 2019, 09:43:12 AM

What about the mixer in your signature? Tongue

Takes balls to promote a competitor when you have a vested(?) interest in promoting the site you're getting paid to promote, no?

Quote from: LTU_btc on December 04, 2019, 04:49:09 PM

LOL, this is really ridiculous. @sujonali1819, I doubt that Blender.io is paying you to promote their main competitor in the market Chipmixer.
This is probably case when you don't even check what you're advertising in your signature.

I think it would bad if it was the other way round, if promoting a site would mean you can't talk about other sites. Can you talk about other gambling sites when you have one in your signature? Good job sujonali1819 for not being a shill.

Chipmixer's unique system has it's advantages. Other mixers have their own advantages, for example not being limited by predefined token amounts. I personally prefer CoinJoin. Use Wasabi if you want user-friendly CoinJoin, or JoinMarket if you want geeky. It is slow tho. If you want fast you'll need to use one of the centralized mixers or use Monero or Zcash or Grin which probably also means using a centralized exchange and paying more in fees.

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Quote from: TryNinja on December 04, 2019, 07:27:43 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on December 04, 2019, 04:49:09 PM

Quote from: AdolfinWolf on December 04, 2019, 09:43:12 AM

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I don't get the big deal with it. He is getting paid to use their signature, not shill them. I ad ChipMixer in my signature AND also in my posts because I like it and support it. If there was a better mixer, I would honestly suggest it for other users (along with probably ChipMixer). Having an opinion solely based on which company is paying you sounds... bad?

Business =/= personal opinion.

Agreed with TryNinja's Opinion. Yes, I am wearing blender's signature code in my profile but that not means I can not suggest any other service which is better than all. And Honestly, I did not try blender yet for mixing.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on December 04, 2019, 04:49:09 PM

Quote from: AdolfinWolf on December 04, 2019, 09:43:12 AM

What about the mixer in your signature? Tongue

Takes balls to promote a competitor when you have a vested(?) interest in promoting the site you're getting paid to promote, no?

LOL, this is really ridiculous. @sujonali1819, I doubt that Blender.io is paying you to promote their main competitor in the market Chipmixer.
This is probably case when you don't even check what you're advertising in your signature.

I don't get the big deal with it. He is getting paid to use their signature, not shill them. I ad ChipMixer in my signature AND also in my posts because I like it and support it. If there was a better mixer, I would honestly suggest it for other users (along with probably ChipMixer). Having an opinion solely based on which company is paying you sounds... bad?

Business =/= personal opinion.

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Quote from: AdolfinWolf on December 04, 2019, 09:43:12 AM

Quote from: sujonali1819 on December 04, 2019, 09:34:52 AM

I also will recommend you to use chip mixer. It is very reliable I think have seen many users are using chip mixer for mixing in this forum. But always I will suggest you use an accurate link for it. Because many fake phishing sites of chip mixer are on the internet. So be careful about it.

What about the mixer in your signature? Tongue

Takes balls to promote a competitor when you have a vested(?) interest in promoting the site you're getting paid to promote, no?

LOL, this is really ridiculous. @sujonali1819, I doubt that Blender.io is paying you to promote their main competitor in the market Chipmixer.
This is probably case when you don't even check what you're advertising in your signature.

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Quote from: sujonali1819 on December 04, 2019, 09:34:52 AM

I also will recommend you to use chip mixer. It is very reliable I think have seen many users are using chip mixer for mixing in this forum. But always I will suggest you use an accurate link for it. Because many fake phishing sites of chip mixer are on the internet. So be careful about it.

What about the mixer in your signature? Tongue

Takes balls to promote a competitor when you have a vested(?) interest in promoting the site you're getting paid to promote, no?

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I also will recommend you to use chip mixer. It is very reliable I think have seen many users are using chip mixer for mixing in this forum. But always I will suggest you use an accurate link for it. Because many fake phishing sites of chip mixer are on the internet. So be careful about it.

And you can also try https://blender.io/ for mixing your bitcoin.

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Quote from: HCP on November 30, 2019, 08:57:59 PM

+1 for ChipMixer (or here for TOR link)... I've used it multiple times and aside from suffering from the odd DDoS attack every now and again... it is quite reliable. Provides outputs in the force of "legacy" address private keys... so you're free to sweep or import as you desire.

+1 for Wasabi Desktop wallet and it's builtin CoinJoin system. Pretty easy to use and a solid mixing solution.

ChipMixer is really good, but a couple months ago I read something that said coins stolen from the Binance hack this year were laundered using this service - https://cointelegraph.com/news/binance-hackers-bombard-chipmixer-to-launder-at-least-4-836-btc. Not sure if it's a good option now.

I read something along those lines as well. Here it is: https://medium.com/cobo-vault/chipmixer-for-transaction-anonymity-c6a724573ba7. But I was just wondering how could Chipmixer be blamed for it? Tricky to use mixing services. Wasabi seems good tho.

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Quote from: loginov on November 30, 2019, 06:53:12 PM

As the title says. I have used Bitcoin Blender but it closed. There are many scams out there.

I would like a reliable mixer / tumbler.

Many thanks.

Btw, there's also something very interesting here. Perhaps reading it will help: https://medium.com/cobo-vault/bitcoin-mixing-a-brief-research-into-centralized-vs-decentralized-390ea83fa6ad

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Quote from: HCP on November 30, 2019, 08:57:59 PM

+1 for ChipMixer (or here for TOR link)... I've used it multiple times and aside from suffering from the odd DDoS attack every now and again... it is quite reliable. Provides outputs in the force of "legacy" address private keys... so you're free to sweep or import as you desire.

+1 for Wasabi Desktop wallet and it's builtin CoinJoin system. Pretty easy to use and a solid mixing solution.

ChipMixer is really good, but a couple months ago I read something that said coins stolen from the Binance hack this year were laundered using this service - https://cointelegraph.com/news/binance-hackers-bombard-chipmixer-to-launder-at-least-4-836-btc. Not sure if it's a good option now.

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Quote from: HCP on November 30, 2019, 08:57:59 PM

+1 for ChipMixer (or here for TOR link)... I've used it multiple times and aside from suffering from the odd DDoS attack every now and again... it is quite reliable. Provides outputs in the force of "legacy" address private keys... so you're free to sweep or import as you desire.

+1 for Wasabi Desktop wallet and it's builtin CoinJoin system. Pretty easy to use and a solid mixing solution.

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If you want to use a service, ChipMixer would be my first choice. They have proven to be trustworthy since a very long time and always responded to problems. ChipMixer is also active on the forum: [ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented.
Their mixing strategy has some improvements compared to traditional mixing services because you receive funded "chips" (private keys) from ChipMixer. These private keys are funded before your deposit. As a result, your new coins can't be connected to your deposited ones. That's also why it wasn't possible to break ChipMixer, while the mixers using traditional mixing strategies were broken and incoming transactions could be connected to outgoing transactions.

If you don't want to use a service, you can use Wasabi Wallet. They have a topic on this forum, too: Wasabi Wallet 1.0 Is Released
To use it, you need at least 0.1BTC, so it does only work for big amounts.

And I wouldn't use new or rarely known mixers, there are tons of fake mixing sites pretending to be legit. Better safe than sorry: ⚠️ List of Bitcoin Mixer or tumbler SCAM/CLONE websites ⚠️

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+1 for ChipMixer (or here for TOR link)... I've used it multiple times and aside from suffering from the odd DDoS attack every now and again... it is quite reliable. Provides outputs in the force of "legacy" address private keys... so you're free to sweep or import as you desire.

+1 for Wasabi Desktop wallet and it's builtin CoinJoin system. Pretty easy to use and a solid mixing solution.

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https://bitcoincleanup.com/

You can follow this thread for decent mixing methods https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/guide-decent-mixing-methods-5146241

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Quote from: loginov on November 30, 2019, 06:53:12 PM

As the title says. I have used Bitcoin Blender but it closed. There are many scams out there.

I would like a reliable mixer / tumbler.

Many thanks.

Please be extra careful when using mixers!
Some good members here exposed multiple scam clone websites.

I would suggest that you use wallets with integrated mixers:
1. https://www.wasabiwallet.io/
2. https://samouraiwallet.com/

They are both focused on privacy.
Wasabi uses trustless Coinjoin and has Tor intergated.
Wasabi is best for desktop, and Samourai for mobile.
Read FAQ for details.

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Take a look at this thread: 2019 List Bitcoin Mixers Bitcoin Tumblers Websites (whenever you find one, remember to ask here if it should be trusted as of now)

Also take a look at the mixer I'm advertising in my signature. Cheesy

It's one of the most trusted ones, running for over 2 years and already mixed hundreds of Bitcoins at once.

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