Topic: Police can confiscate refugees' valuables. bitcoin not affected... (Read 537 times)

Didn't the Danish Parliament that is a democratically elected group of people, propose and passed this law?

It is not greed of all humans. The number of refugees in Denmark is in tens of thousands and they have this law. We currently have about 3 million refugees if I'm not mistaken and we don't have such a law and don't even think of such inhuman laws, we just open our doors and welcome those fleeing their war torn countries.

Danish are not like that, there is no government to create this law it comes from human greed. this is the inhuman greed of a small part of human society.
It's obviously robbery so there's no way it's going to be used properly.
No asset can hide from the bad guys like bitcoin. It's easy for us to protect our assets by keeping the seeds in mind.

When you do already have the enough or sufficient experience then you would able to determine which things are risky and which things are just right to be done.It isnt surprising that you would really be that

paranoid when it comes to security on which you do really end up on steps which is really just or bit too much which you cant just make out things complicated if you could simply wrote down those phrases.
Well, its better to be safe than sorry because regrets do always come in the end if you are really that careless so i dont see anything wrong on here.

 I do not think that you need something that bad, I mean we are talking about seed phrases, for most people that will not mean anything at all. Just store them like you would store anything else and nobody would even know. Sure even your mail could be hacked, so sending it to your own mail could be a bit bad, but just do it in seperate emails and nobody would even understand. Do it whatever method feels better for you, but it all comes down to your crypto being safe no matter what. Unless you put it in an exchange though, in that case hackers could hack into the exchange and steal money and the exchange may not be able to pay you.

This why bitcoin is superior when it comes to things like this. No one can confiscate your coins as long as you keep it safe. You can hide your seed phrase by spreading the words around (memorizing it would be a little risky, don't you think?) and making storing them in multiple "things". You wouldn't even need to spread the words. You can write it somewhere and I doubt anyone would notice or care what it is.
But I always wondered, when someone moves from one country to another, how do they "move" their coins legally to that country. Do they declare that they hold bitcoins at the immigration or something?

Ask an English person about how good England is, and you will get mixed signals, some may like it, some may dislike it, but they would "generally" (not all) be proud and happy that they are English and not from somewhere else. Ask an Indian, or a south African, or native American or basically any place they committed crimes and they will tell you what they think about the English.

So, you may think that Denmark is not a nation that would do this, but others around the world may have some other stories to tell. Sure Ukraine could have been treated differently, just like how European nations treated Ukrainian refugees differently than Syrian ones, but apparently Denmark wanted to be fair and did it to everyone.

This is why I love crypto others wouldn't know that you are an investor or supporter unless you say so,
They wouldn't even know how much you have unless you show it to them,
So cryptocurrency is the best way for them to secure their funds.

I remember this jewellery law very well. Hard to imagine sophisticated, progressive countries using the logic that "hey, if you're carrying valuables then it must be used to pay for the cost to give you refuge" but hey, maybe I'm super conservative. And you're right, with Bitcoin, you no longer need to swallow diamonds or eat gold sand to later sieve from your poop. Though I wouldn't be surprised if there's already tech looking into identifying electronic access from refugees. I've seen the emerging tech on trial in the EU like iBorderControl... detecting lies in your facial expressions. Some of it's way out there.

I'm not a tinfoil hatter but even I warn my kids that no matter where they live, no matter how nice and cosy it all seems, the government will turn on you if it works for them. And not because every government is malignant, it simply is a matter of you being in the way of things.

It has long been clear to me that democracy works to some extent in Switzerland where the government always asks the people what they think about something before a decision is made, not in countries that have elections every 4 or 5 years, sells people the story of how to vote, and then work in the interest of banks, corporations, and their own interests.

Ever since they started using terrorism as the main excuse to terrorize us, through a pandemic that has given them even more power - we need to ask ourselves what’s next? Democracy is a dead letter on paper, there is only an illusion - obey or you will have a bad time in life.

At what point are we going to admit that the term they feed people called "democracy" has always been nothing more than a carrot dangling in front of people to lull them into submission. The ugly truth is that every single country that has been claiming democracy for decades has been a modern dictatorship.
The messed up part is that, things are only going to get worse.

Phone apps? I've never seen them demand to unlock a phone for them. This is an invasion of privacy. Anyway, spotting a crypto wallet is close to impossible because you can have a thumb drive or a memory card with you and they'd have to spend hours searching through it all to find if you have a wallet installed or not. You could also have a simple text file with your private key with a changed extension, so that it looks like a system library or something.

The only way for people to start losing their stuff is if the border guards would start simply stealing all electronics: phones, memory cards, cameras, smart watches... Then there's always a way to smuggle files on a sim card, put it inside your shoe or something. In extreme situations you can always send a password protected file to someone you know in the country to which you're trying to flee, or put it in the cloud. If you know they're going to strip search you and take everything, cloud actually looks safer.

I've seen some of you talk about currency exchange. You won't even be able to exchange anything. I've heard that Ukrainians who moved to Poland have trouble exchanging their fiat because local exchanges don't want to accept it anymore in fear of the government collapse in Ukraine. They don't want to be stuck with extremely volatile UAH or RUB.

I thought that having cash is pretty safe, but it appears that you need to have "safe" cash like USD, GBP, CHF, or similar. If you hold on to your Lebanese or Sudanese pounds, you may end up holding a bunch of paper one day.

"Something is rotten in the state of Denmark" as Shakespeare would say in his famous play Hamlet. But those unfamiliar with the EU would be surprised at how rotten it is in its member states when it comes to strange laws that border on some kind of madness hard for the normal mind to comprehend. Although some say that this law in Denmark does not apply to refugees from Ukraine, it is a shame that it even exists - although its intention is obviously to discourage refugees from seeking asylum in that country at all.

Although cryptocurrencies are easy to hide, I would not be surprised if one of the EU bureaucrats came up with the idea that every refugee must report possession, or sign a statement that he does not own cryptocurrencies under threat of criminal liability if he is later found to have lied.

I would guess that there may not be some law. I mean we are talking about just some cops or soldiers that search everyone (to make sure nothing illegal comes into their nation) and if they see valuables, they could say "either give me this, or I will make it as hard as I could for you to get in", in which case if you refuse, that person will reject you coming in, or tell others that you have a dangerous thing in your possession, detain you, search you, maybe even full body cavity search you, basically make your life a hell, and maybe even cause you to be marked and not get in or even if you do, not in the same conditions as others.

When this happens to a dozen people, and you hear it, you just realize accepting to give it to the person is a better get away. It is disgusting but that is how horrible whole humanity is and not just based on one nation, it is the whole humanity.

I am aware of the risk and would normally not suggest that anyone store their keys or seed phrase online, it is a terrible idea. I was considering a worse case scenario where you have to take a radical approach.

I was discussing a situation where the laws were being bent in one country, which does not affect international platforms not hosted there, it still presents a huge risk however and is not recommended.

If police can't confiscate bitcoin then how about fiat money sitting in your bank accounts? Jewelry law allow police to capture physical stuff from refugees but not anything digital. Governments are very clever in making such laws, as refugees usually carry valuable items while they travel since they need money to buy stuff like food, shelter etc.
Bitcoin is ideal in such situations provided refugees have access to Internet and they can easily convert btc to Fiat for day living.

Wow, I had no idea such a law existed, and now I'm wondering if there are other such countries with similar legislation. It's so crazy and unfair, really, because when people are running away from serious problems in their own country, they take all the funds they have with them, and of course they need those funds to sustain themselves. Not giving free food and accommodation is a foreign country's right, but giving it and confiscating everything these people have in return is very unfair. You're right that Bitcoin can help with this. But I think that writing down the words is much better than memorizing them. As my country is now hit by a full-scale war and many Ukrainians are now becoming refugees, I realize that the psychological state of these people doesn't exactly allow for keeping 12 words in the right order in their mind when their first priority is not being hit by a bomb.

A piece of paper with random words wouldn't really ring a bell, so technically if Denmark is to impose that law still, anyone with bitcoins can bypass it and still have much to spend afterwards. That jewelry law is like asking a person to give some deposit in order for them to stay at the host's place, except that person is running away for their lives and have essentially nothing on them. The refugee still has to spend money for themselves, and Denmark only has to let refugees stay with no additional costs on their pockets, so why would they ask for a lot?

Denmark is like, "Oh you're country is ravaged by some problems? Please come in, but I would be needing some payment upfront for your stay."

According to google refugee means someone that flee from his country for some reason, it could be war and this could be happening now to Ukrainians. They don't have money but they carried some items, this is the one that authorities confiscate to pay for their stay but why will they forcefully do it? Maybe because the item was too valuable for the person and they won't simply hand it.

Bitcoin is helpful in this situation or we can simply say all cryptocurrencies. The reason why people prefer btc much over altcoin is that btc is stronger. They should still be careful though because most authorities now know what are cryptos. They will know if what you wrote in a book is a seed phrase or not.

I didn’t think Denmark was the type of country that would do something like this. I would consider this straight up robbery, even if it was “properly” used to fund their stay in the country. But you’re right this is a glaring example of how bitcoin can be an asset with no physical presence and that’s a huge deal. 

And could also be the most dangerous I must say because in a state of war your mind might be exhausted and there is a likely possibility to forget the whole words I believe there are also better ways of moving your phrase even in the few possessions you are moving with but certainly not written all in one place. But I want to believe in a state of war that is applicable to the Ukrainian citizens now, I don't think they will be subject to that law.