Policing Bitcoin brought to you by Gavin Andresen - page 2.

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Quote from: yayayo on October 24, 2015, 08:07:05 AM

Listen up, law-abiding citizen, what your honorable CIA-fellow and altcoin developer Gavin Andresen is doing for your safety:

https://forum.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-discussion/announcing-the-blockchain-alliance-t1601.html#p3635

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There has always been a split among bitcoiners on how best to interact with regulators and law enforcement.

There is the "ignore them, they're illegitimate. Honey Badger don't care" side.

And there's the "engage them, educate them, show them the positive benefits to balance the negatives that are, otherwise, probably the only thing they see" side.

I still think engaging is the best strategy. Yes, there will be more failures like the BitLicense, but overall I think every positive interaction with law enforcement or regulators helps move opinions from "Bitcoin is Evil and must be eliminated" towards "Bitcoin is an innovative technology that should be allowed to grow."

And no, I don't think "we" will compromise the technology or our deeply held beliefs because we interact with "them."

At least, I know I won't. If you are worried that talking to the FBI about the latest version of CryptoLocker might corrupt your morals, then great-- nobody will twist your arm to participate.

What a great idea and joyful day for all of us. As always Gavin is working hard to advance freedom on all fronts.

Now stay calm and trust the authorities!

ya.ya.yo!

Is Gavin's post supposed to be bad?

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As this moveent continues to grow (and that is what crypto / decentralize is - movement), the powers that be will become more and more . I dont know how the govs will handle that in the long term but its inevitable. The only downside is that bad actors ie terrorists will be empowered as well - (privacy and anonymity)

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Quote from: Kprawn on October 24, 2015, 09:05:49 AM

He lost the lead engineer position {by choice} then realized what he gave up, and joined forces with Mike Hearn to get it back.. They thought they had much more support and

could bring about a hostile takeover and also sneak in some government back doors, but they failed. Now they are out to sabotage and divide the Bitcoin community, and to hand

over the power to the competition. {GovCoins / BankCoins .....} If they lose the fight, they will side with the competition, mark my words. Wink

It's all about power and glory. It has

nothing to do with the development and improvement suggested by the two sides. We will just be the casualties of war, when the war is done. Sad

Quoting this for historical purposes, I think you are spot on, well said.

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Quote from: runam0k on October 24, 2015, 09:48:37 AM

Jeez, you guys are bitter.

Why even get upset about this? It isn't meant for you, it's meant for other perfectly legitimate members of the Bitcoin ecosystem -- those that believe that educating and assisting regulators and law enforcement may actually help Bitcoin in its journey towards mainstream acceptance. They may or may not be misguided in that viewpoint, but we know full well those government entities are looking at Bitcoin regardless and with virtually no positive voices to shape their view. Adoption in the US continues to be very significantly stunted, primarily because of Bitcoin's bad rep. Maybe this - alongside all the other initiatives - can help.

None of this will stop you using Bitcoin.

It certainly won't but it implies huge invasion of privacy and typical Big Brother attitude we have been accustomed to from the states.

Surprising? No. Disappointing that it would get support from a majority of Bitcoin businesses & misguided devs? Definitely.

You are right though. Honey badger don't care and these stupid schemes will only serve to provide more embarrassment in the future for any participants.

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Jeez, you guys are bitter.

Why even get upset about this? It isn't meant for you, it's meant for other perfectly legitimate members of the Bitcoin ecosystem -- those that believe that educating and assisting regulators and law enforcement may actually help Bitcoin in its journey towards mainstream acceptance. They may or may not be misguided in that viewpoint, but we know full well those government entities are looking at Bitcoin regardless and with virtually no positive voices to shape their view. Adoption in the US continues to be very significantly stunted, primarily because of Bitcoin's bad rep. Maybe this - alongside all the other initiatives - can help.

None of this will stop you using Bitcoin.

Kprawn

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He lost the lead engineer position {by choice} then realized what he gave up, and joined forces with Mike Hearn to get it back.. They thought they had much more support and

could bring about a hostile takeover and also sneak in some government back doors, but they failed. Now they are out to sabotage and divide the Bitcoin community, and to hand

over the power to the competition. {GovCoins / BankCoins .....} If they lose the fight, they will side with the competition, mark my words. Wink

It's all about power and glory. It has

nothing to do with the development and improvement suggested by the two sides. We will just be the casualties of war, when the war is done. Sad

brg444

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Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks

Quote from: neurotypical on October 24, 2015, 08:51:28 AM

I just don't get the concept of trying to regulate Bitcoin to be honest. Do they regulate TCP/IP? Ultimately Bitcoin is just that, a protocol. A guy may or not do evil things on the internet, that doesn't mean they regulate the protocol itself, they regulate whatever services are provided through the protocol. This is nonsense to me. Bitcoin will reach a point where the tech allows for anonymity that makes it trying to tax it or regulate it a losing game.

It's all about attempting to undermine the trust users while they still can.

It will fail. Miserably.

Gavin & all of these banking parasites will be looked back on as merely a footnote in Bitcoin's history.

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I just don't get the concept of trying to regulate Bitcoin to be honest. Do they regulate TCP/IP? Ultimately Bitcoin is just that, a protocol. A guy may or not do evil things on the internet, that doesn't mean they regulate the protocol itself, they regulate whatever services are provided through the protocol. This is nonsense to me. Bitcoin will reach a point where the tech allows for anonymity that makes it trying to tax it or regulate it a losing game.

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Listen up, law-abiding citizen, what your honorable CIA-fellow and altcoin developer Gavin Andresen is doing for your safety:

https://forum.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-discussion/announcing-the-blockchain-alliance-t1601.html#p3635

Quote

There has always been a split among bitcoiners on how best to interact with regulators and law enforcement.

There is the "ignore them, they're illegitimate. Honey Badger don't care" side.

And there's the "engage them, educate them, show them the positive benefits to balance the negatives that are, otherwise, probably the only thing they see" side.

I still think engaging is the best strategy. Yes, there will be more failures like the BitLicense, but overall I think every positive interaction with law enforcement or regulators helps move opinions from "Bitcoin is Evil and must be eliminated" towards "Bitcoin is an innovative technology that should be allowed to grow."

And no, I don't think "we" will compromise the technology or our deeply held beliefs because we interact with "them."

At least, I know I won't. If you are worried that talking to the FBI about the latest version of CryptoLocker might corrupt your morals, then great-- nobody will twist your arm to participate.

What a great idea and joyful day for all of us. As always Gavin is working hard to advance freedom on all fronts.

Now stay calm and trust the authorities!

ya.ya.yo!

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