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Quote from: Botnake on May 08, 2023, 01:58:49 PM

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Quote from: aioc on April 25, 2023, 06:30:14 AM

[....]Do you think that government should have a rule or a law for election candidates not to have a franchise in any form of gambling,

It should be fine as long as it is legally operating in the country with complete papers. Why single out gambling by the way? We all know that many politicians enrich themselves in different ways and that includes though their personal investments. If you would prohibit politician businesses that related to gambling then why not just have a rule that they shouldn't own any business?

I guess if politicians will also be prohibited from owning businesses aside from gambling, isn’t it too unfair and hard on their part? Probably, there will be no politicians to run again in the election if that’s the case. My own take on this is that as long as those politicians are owning not illegal businesses, then they have all the right to continue their business operations and even expand it if they wish to. And I don’t think the government would adopt this kind of law as most of the highly elected government officials are already owning some businesses before they take part on politics.

There is no doubt that politicians could be a gambler or be using casinos to launder money as it is in many other businesses including banks. But it doesn't sound well that politicians are behind the development of gambling, that's just nonsense to me. The casino is an establishment, anyone can open it and anyone can run or patronise it, so it should not be tagged as if it thrives due to politicians.

It's even difficult these days in some countries to launder money through casinos since the beam of the government is strongly on them. I believe that people venture mostly into casinos due to the less stress and management in it and the high profits that could be wired in favour of the house, not because of some selected class.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on May 09, 2023, 08:10:03 AM

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Politicians can own a gambling business to get funds used for campaigns. And it's from the money from the illegal gambling business that they can pay people to vote for them, and that has been the case for a long time in many places. They think that money can buy people's votes and by making sweet promises to them that they will provide welfare for the people in the future. But once elected, they won't give it away and instead focus on growing their business to earn more money while in office.

Agree, and most countries have bad politicians like that.
My country is a country that prohibits gambling activities, but many politicians and law enforcers who have their power take a fair share in the gambling business as investors and backers to ensure their safety in order to get large amounts of money.
It is natural that many people in power take advantage of illegal practices for their personal gain.
And it's strange that no one dares to reveal and dispute this kind of case to the point of law in several countries, including the country where I live.

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Quote from: PX-Z on May 11, 2023, 05:55:04 PM

But it doesn't stop that, they can point someone say from family to manage that gambling business instead of them to by pass the law as easy as that
Also, as long as e-sabong or any gambling is considered as a legal business, and no lawmakers amend that law nothing will happened.

That is a common practice by politicians to "cheat" the law and the expected moral behavior by the society. Most sophisticated schemes don't even involve a family member, but a partner, maybe a lobbyist, who works as middleman on the process which will eventually benefit the politician after all. By the law, there are no flaws, although informally we know exactly how the scheme works... As you said, nothing will happen! Tongue

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on May 08, 2023, 08:17:44 AM

Casino owners are doing tremendous work for some countries and many people don't know it.

there are many politicians in my country that are into the gambling business and they have been running the casino for a long time now, the casinos are now family businesses.

I don't think that the law will go against this person that OP is talking about because one way or the other casinos are benefiting the government in every countries, that is what I heard from someone who knows some casino owners.

Several things are not being told to us by the government, and I don't expect them to do so. In my opinion, they are making sure every casino is up so that they can earn money.

This is true. Every government used to profit from the gambling house. Even if the government ban gambling people will continue to use it through some means. In my state lottery is banned, yet the lottery business is seen around taking place illegally.

In my state more than 40 people have died in the last three years due to gambling. Government took necessary action and at some point opposing party were against the ban and requested to meet the casino owners and make talks. Finally this happened and at some point the ruling party stood strong and banned it. At times even the governments can't take action. Better choice is to create awareness on gambling.

If the casino is legal and has a connection with the government, yes. There is no need for the government to ban them because they are benefiting from it. In my country, there are so many illegal lotteries here and they have been taken down one by one but I never hear that people are dying because of it, but for other games maybe? as they are more fun and addicting.

The death rates in your country is still small so government should be alarmed. It wasn't also the fault of gambling but they still can put warnings about the hazards that gambling might cause to a person. We regular individuals can also help spread the word because we also have families and friends. This is better before its too late but monitoring must still be there.

We know that every government actions cant really be that exposed nor really need to inform the public but if the funds been used on building up such business do came from peoples money or simply on the tax.
Then we do really have the right know and it is really just that a crap thing if ever they would really be deciding to hide it out. If ever there's a ban about gambling business whether online or physical then it would be understandable that there would be places which would be illegally be operating which neither those things could neither be supported by the government or not. If we do speak about on countries
which are really that having that extreme corruption then it wont really be that so shocking that they might be included into those places who had been funding and building up
those illegal places just for the own benefit.

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Quote from: aioc on April 25, 2023, 06:30:14 AM

Do you think that government should have a rule or a law for election candidates not to have a franchise in any form of gambling, in fact, there are a lot of politicians who are operators of illegal small-town lotteries this is to accumulate funds they can use for election campaigns.

It is illegal by law for a government official to own a gambling business or to gamble in any gambling places. But it doesn't stop that, they can point someone say from family to manage that gambling business instead of them to by pass the law as easy as that
Also, as long as e-sabong or any gambling is considered as a legal business, and no lawmakers amend that law nothing will happened.

Quote from: ethereumhunter on May 09, 2023, 08:10:03 AM

Politicians can own a gambling business to get funds used for campaigns.

No, it's not allowed and its illegal, but they can easily bypass it.

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Quote from: aioc on April 25, 2023, 06:30:14 AM

A politician in the Philippines claimed to have had a hand in the development of the very controversial e-sabong platform he operated e-sabong so he can make a lot of money so he can use for the campaign, and his family to win local elections because the election in the Philippines is very costly many candidates are buying votes to secure their win, there were reports that he murdered their family's opponent because of e-sabong.
Do you think that government should have a rule or a law for election candidates not to have a franchise in any form of gambling, in fact, there are a lot of politicians who are operators of illegal small-town lotteries this is to accumulate funds they can use for election campaigns.

Congressman confirms past stint with e-sabong when it was not yet banned by gov’t

This is very common in the Philippines. The reason why the said country is filled with corrupt officials is that they are doing vote buying during the election period and the sad part is, people always allow them to win because of money. They take advantage of the poor people and buy their votes instead of sincerely asking for their support.
Many politicians are involved in the gambling industry because it's a source of huge funds. E-sabong has stopped operating because of the criminal activities that happened in the past year involving it. Politics is filled with corrupt people and they are willing to use their assets to get votes but would also use their power to generate profit as well.

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Casino owners are doing tremendous work for some countries and many people don't know it.

there are many politicians in my country that are into the gambling business and they have been running the casino for a long time now, the casinos are now family businesses.

I don't think that the law will go against this person that OP is talking about because one way or the other casinos are benefiting the government in every countries, that is what I heard from someone who knows some casino owners.

Several things are not being told to us by the government, and I don't expect them to do so. In my opinion, they are making sure every casino is up so that they can earn money.

This is true. Every government used to profit from the gambling house. Even if the government ban gambling people will continue to use it through some means. In my state lottery is banned, yet the lottery business is seen around taking place illegally.

In my state more than 40 people have died in the last three years due to gambling. Government took necessary action and at some point opposing party were against the ban and requested to meet the casino owners and make talks. Finally this happened and at some point the ruling party stood strong and banned it. At times even the governments can't take action. Better choice is to create awareness on gambling.

If the casino is legal and has a connection with the government, yes. There is no need for the government to ban them because they are benefiting from it. In my country, there are so many illegal lotteries here and they have been taken down one by one but I never hear that people are dying because of it, but for other games maybe? as they are more fun and addicting.

The death rates in your country is still small so government should be alarmed. It wasn't also the fault of gambling but they still can put warnings about the hazards that gambling might cause to a person. We regular individuals can also help spread the word because we also have families and friends. This is better before its too late but monitoring must still be there.

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Quote from: aioc on April 25, 2023, 06:30:14 AM

Do you think that government should have a rule or a law for election candidates not to have a franchise in any form of gambling, in fact, there are a lot of politicians who are operators of illegal small-town lotteries this is to accumulate funds they can use for election campaigns.

Don't you know that government is a big beneficiary in gambling? Did you also know that election candidates are not just involved in gambling but in other forms illegal businesses such as drug trade, sex trafficking, poaching in order to fund their election campaigns?

What the government of nations should do is to properly scrutinize those who are vying for offices. They should do a proper background check on their business, their source of income, their travel history, their friends and associates before granting them any approval to run for office.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on May 08, 2023, 08:17:44 AM

Casino owners are doing tremendous work for some countries and many people don't know it.

there are many politicians in my country that are into the gambling business and they have been running the casino for a long time now, the casinos are now family businesses.

I don't think that the law will go against this person that OP is talking about because one way or the other casinos are benefiting the government in every countries, that is what I heard from someone who knows some casino owners.

Several things are not being told to us by the government, and I don't expect them to do so. In my opinion, they are making sure every casino is up so that they can earn money.

It's an obvious thing, they (the government) get very large amounts of money as income tax from both casinos and the gamblers and that is the reason why they let them operate if the business is lawfully allowed to operate within a country, and I don't see any reason why a government will not allow a politician to have or run a gambling business if it's legal.

The government will not tell us everything but we know what they do and what they don't, we even know the motives behind every move they make which they might try to cover up with a follow-up event only to divert the attention of the public.

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Quote from: Ebede on May 08, 2023, 12:27:42 PM

Politics is not gambling, if a politician want to get population or voters with gambling I think that people that may follow the politicians don't know their what, so I believe that for politics people get votes during election for some things they have already done or their reputation base on the what the person brought to the masses

Politicians can own a gambling business to get funds used for campaigns. And it's from the money from the illegal gambling business that they can pay people to vote for them, and that has been the case for a long time in many places. They think that money can buy people's votes and by making sweet promises to them that they will provide welfare for the people in the future. But once elected, they won't give it away and instead focus on growing their business to earn more money while in office.

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Quote from: slapper on May 08, 2023, 04:52:52 AM

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Wherever there's a source of money, you will find politicians supporting it whether it's legal or illegal. That's why you always find countries that are democracies often have these kinds of problems because those crooks and thieves and also criminals are allowed to vote, therefore they will vote for the ones that are like them and the result is the country will fall and there will be no improvement. You don't see such problems in a monarchy because they have total control and can shutdown automatically it something like that would happen of course there are exceptions but in reality, this is caused by t he democracy and lack of will and power by the president of the country.

Yes and this kind of thing also happens in the country where I live where politicians as well as government officials protect some illegal activities which can generate huge amounts of money.
In the country where I live, gambling is strictly prohibited and already has laws against gambling, but there are still many local online casinos operating, even new online casinos have sprung up because there are indeed several state officials who protect them so they can get very.
Things like this shouldn't happen, but because they act on behalf of the government, nothing can prevent it, not even the president can handle something like this because it can make members of the government become enemies and bring down each other which also affects the government system.

Politics, cash – an explosive mix, folks! Like letting a kid loose in a candy shop, it's a disaster waiting to happen. Big league. But really, it's pathetic that politicians are traded like potatoes. Democracies, monarchies – all in the same boat. Absolute power, absolute danger.

And the regular Joes caught in the chaos? Just craving some blackjack or roulette spins, yet tangled in legal nightmares. Unfair, folks. Why should they pay for rotten politicians and bureaucrats?

Basically, everyone is just after money, friends, because in a democracy, things cannot run smoothly if there is no incoming cash flow.
A political candidate to be able to enter and be registered with a party or election also requires money, so this is not a trade, it's just a bad or dirty democratic system.
With many actions like this, people will get used to voting for politicians if they are given a certain amount of money in return.

Whether it's fair or not, we can't just judge it because the regulations made by each country's government are different, friend.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on May 08, 2023, 08:17:44 AM

Casino owners are doing tremendous work for some countries and many people don't know it.

there are many politicians in my country that are into the gambling business and they have been running the casino for a long time now, the casinos are now family businesses.

I don't think that the law will go against this person that OP is talking about because one way or the other casinos are benefiting the government in every countries, that is what I heard from someone who knows some casino owners.

Several things are not being told to us by the government, and I don't expect them to do so. In my opinion, they are making sure every casino is up so that they can earn money.

IMO, a politician or who has a strategic position in a government. strictly prohibited, engaging in a business engaged in the casino industry. plus, the state must make a law that prohibits that casino owners must be outside the government. or the state itself manages, but not for personal owners. this aims to prevent money laundering, illegal campaign funds for elections, or all kinds that are contrary to state affairs.

If what you say is true, I don't want to assume too far. however, it is clearly implied, that businesses run by politicians in your country are not running well. I mean, there's probably a lot of irregularities going on. anyway, besides money laundering, it could also be tax evasion. I'm just assuming, don't mean to accuse. Moreover, as you said, the casino business in your country is a family business. things like this, very vulnerable to something that smells illegal. yes, as OP told in this thread.

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Quote from: aioc on April 25, 2023, 06:30:14 AM

[....]Do you think that government should have a rule or a law for election candidates not to have a franchise in any form of gambling,

It should be fine as long as it is legally operating in the country with complete papers. Why single out gambling by the way? We all know that many politicians enrich themselves in different ways and that includes though their personal investments. If you would prohibit politician businesses that related to gambling then why not just have a rule that they shouldn't own any business?

I guess if politicians will also be prohibited from owning businesses aside from gambling, isn’t it too unfair and hard on their part? Probably, there will be no politicians to run again in the election if that’s the case. My own take on this is that as long as those politicians are owning not illegal businesses, then they have all the right to continue their business operations and even expand it if they wish to. And I don’t think the government would adopt this kind of law as most of the highly elected government officials are already owning some businesses before they take part on politics.

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Politics is not gambling, if a politician want to get population or voters with gambling I think that people that may follow the politicians don't know their what, so I believe that for politics people get votes during election for some things they have already done or their reputation base on the what the person brought to the masses

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Quote from: Vaskiy on May 08, 2023, 09:28:05 AM

Quote from: Crypt0Gore on May 08, 2023, 08:17:44 AM

Casino owners are doing tremendous work for some countries and many people don't know it.

there are many politicians in my country that are into the gambling business and they have been running the casino for a long time now, the casinos are now family businesses.

I don't think that the law will go against this person that OP is talking about because one way or the other casinos are benefiting the government in every countries, that is what I heard from someone who knows some casino owners.

Several things are not being told to us by the government, and I don't expect them to do so. In my opinion, they are making sure every casino is up so that they can earn money.

This is true. Every government used to profit from the gambling house. Even if the government ban gambling people will continue to use it through some means. In my state lottery is banned, yet the lottery business is seen around taking place illegally.

In my state more than 40 people have died in the last three years due to gambling. Government took necessary action and at some point opposing party were against the ban and requested to meet the casino owners and make talks. Finally this happened and at some point the ruling party stood strong and banned it. At times even the governments can't take action. Better choice is to create awareness on gambling.

You would really expect that illegal things would really be around if ever there are restrictions or banning not only on gambling industry but also into other industries on which there would really be people who would really

be tending to do those things even if they are really that prohibited which is something not really that shocking.In speaking about government-backed casinos or gambling places then it would neither be disclosed into the public or not but most of the time it would really be hidden up considering that people would always be having that bad impression and would be having those negative thoughts that this might really be involving some possible corruption which we know that we cant really blame out people not to think up this way.

Some people had already mentioned about state lotteries which is really that common but for known government back or supported companies then it is something which is really that hidden.
I dont see any problem though as long those taxes would really be fair and square when it comes to this manner.

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Quote from: aioc on April 25, 2023, 06:30:14 AM

A politician in the Philippines claimed to have had a hand in the development of the very controversial e-sabong platform he operated e-sabong so he can make a lot of money so he can use for the campaign,

I don't think the money gotten from a casino could be enough for using in a political career except if bhe casino had been long in existence before now, politics required a lot of money to be pumped into it in a continuous maner and i don't think casinos retains huge amount of money consistently like that, though am not saying it's not possible but the chaces are low to achieve this as said by OP.

Quote from: aioc on April 25, 2023, 06:30:14 AM

and his family to win local elections because the election in the Philippines is very costly many candidates are buying votes to secure their win, there were reports that he murdered their family's opponent because of e-sabong.

Politics is full of dirty games but shouldn't be a yardstick for us to join the bad clique in doing the illicit acts all in the name of politics or gambling.

Quote from: aioc on April 25, 2023, 06:30:14 AM

Do you think that government should have a rule or a law for election candidates not to have a franchise in any form of gambling, in fact, there are a lot of politicians who are operators of illegal small-town lotteries this is to accumulate funds they can use for election campaigns.

Government need to monitor their income flow, assets and know their sources of incomes before appointing them into political office, gambling is not a harbor for political miscreants and looters of government funds, either owing a lottery or casino is not all that matters than dealing with right political mindset individuals that could be trusted.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on May 08, 2023, 08:17:44 AM

Casino owners are doing tremendous work for some countries and many people don't know it.

there are many politicians in my country that are into the gambling business and they have been running the casino for a long time now, the casinos are now family businesses.

I don't think that the law will go against this person that OP is talking about because one way or the other casinos are benefiting the government in every countries, that is what I heard from someone who knows some casino owners.

Several things are not being told to us by the government, and I don't expect them to do so. In my opinion, they are making sure every casino is up so that they can earn money.

This is true. Every government used to profit from the gambling house. Even if the government ban gambling people will continue to use it through some means. In my state lottery is banned, yet the lottery business is seen around taking place illegally.

In my state more than 40 people have died in the last three years due to gambling. Government took necessary action and at some point opposing party were against the ban and requested to meet the casino owners and make talks. Finally this happened and at some point the ruling party stood strong and banned it. At times even the governments can't take action. Better choice is to create awareness on gambling.

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Quote from: tusandii on May 08, 2023, 12:18:43 AM

Things like this shouldn't happen, but because they act on behalf of the government, nothing can prevent it, not even the president can handle something like this because it can make members of the government become enemies and bring down each other which also affects the government system.

I don't think so, in fact, in the article mentioned by OP the President stopped the operation of cock fighting, it's a weak president if he cannot stop gambling he has all the power bestowed upon him by the constitution, that kind of president do not have a political will if a President says so it will happen when he says all forms of gambling is illegal, everybody will listen because he has a police power and he can charge any politicians or businessman that will disobey his order.

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Casino owners are doing tremendous work for some countries and many people don't know it.

there are many politicians in my country that are into the gambling business and they have been running the casino for a long time now, the casinos are now family businesses.

I don't think that the law will go against this person that OP is talking about because one way or the other casinos are benefiting the government in every countries, that is what I heard from someone who knows some casino owners.

Several things are not being told to us by the government, and I don't expect them to do so. In my opinion, they are making sure every casino is up so that they can earn money.

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Quote from: tusandii on May 08, 2023, 12:18:43 AM

Quote from: yazher on May 01, 2023, 06:04:34 PM

Wherever there's a source of money, you will find politicians supporting it whether it's legal or illegal. That's why you always find countries that are democracies often have these kinds of problems because those crooks and thieves and also criminals are allowed to vote, therefore they will vote for the ones that are like them and the result is the country will fall and there will be no improvement. You don't see such problems in a monarchy because they have total control and can shutdown automatically it something like that would happen of course there are exceptions but in reality, this is caused by t he democracy and lack of will and power by the president of the country.

Yes and this kind of thing also happens in the country where I live where politicians as well as government officials protect some illegal activities which can generate huge amounts of money.
In the country where I live, gambling is strictly prohibited and already has laws against gambling, but there are still many local online casinos operating, even new online casinos have sprung up because there are indeed several state officials who protect them so they can get very.
Things like this shouldn't happen, but because they act on behalf of the government, nothing can prevent it, not even the president can handle something like this because it can make members of the government become enemies and bring down each other which also affects the government system.

Politics, cash – an explosive mix, folks! Like letting a kid loose in a candy shop, it's a disaster waiting to happen. Big league. But really, it's pathetic that politicians are traded like potatoes. Democracies, monarchies – all in the same boat. Absolute power, absolute danger.

And the regular Joes caught in the chaos? Just craving some blackjack or roulette spins, yet tangled in legal nightmares. Unfair, folks. Why should they pay for rotten politicians and bureaucrats?

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