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Quote from: aioc on April 25, 2023, 06:30:14 AM

A politician in the Philippines claimed to have had a hand in the development of the very controversial e-sabong platform he operated e-sabong so he can make a lot of money so he can use for the campaign, and his family to win local elections because the election in the Philippines is very costly many candidates are buying votes to secure their win, there were reports that he murdered their family's opponent because of e-sabong.
Do you think that government should have a rule or a law for election candidates not to have a franchise in any form of gambling, in fact, there are a lot of politicians who are operators of illegal small-town lotteries this is to accumulate funds they can use for election campaigns.

Congressman confirms past stint with e-sabong when it was not yet banned by gov’t

in my country even though gambling is illegal, there are also reports that many officials have gambling businesses but are operated in countries such as Vietnam and Cambodia

After all, gambling has a large market share, so it's no wonder that many politicians have side businesses such as casinos or nightclubs

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Quote from: aioc on April 25, 2023, 06:30:14 AM

Do you think that government should have a rule or a law for election candidates not to have a franchise in any form of gambling, in fact, there are a lot of politicians who are operators of illegal small-town lotteries this is to accumulate funds they can use for election campaigns.

I believe there should be a rule that any aspiring politician must not own any gambling platform. I believe in the Philippines, government official and employees are not allowed to enter or play in gambling casinos.

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Government officials and employees are expected to observe and uphold the highest ethical standards in public service. In this view, as government personnel, you are enjoined to strictly adhere with all pertinent laws, issuances and policies prohibiting government personnel to enter, stay, or play in gambling casinos.

Even PAGCOR impose stricter penalties against government officials and employees who play in the casinos in the country. The said action is issuant to Presidential Decree no. 1869 (otherwise known as the PAGCOR Charter) and Memorandum Circular No. 6 s. 2016 (which list persons not allowed to play in gaming establishments around the country). PAGCOR carries such provision in its Responsible Gaming (RG) Code of Practice (CoP). The CoP aims to minimize the potential harm of gambling among players and the community, prevent gambling addiction and prohibit underage gambling.

So I think that the government must implement a law disqualifying any aspiring politician to candidate having a seat in the government officeif they are found having a gambling platform.

source: https://www.pagcor.ph/press-releases/pagcor-pnp-to-sanction-government-workers-who-gamble-in-casinos.php

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Quote from: Oshosondy on April 25, 2023, 06:52:16 AM

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“Sabong” or the placing of bets on live cockfighting is an established tradition in the Philippines that dates as early as three thousand (3,000) years ago. The gaming activity is essentially placing two roosters/cocks in an arena and betting on which between the two comes out victorious.

I do not think it is what they even accept as gambling is Philippines by some people. But if it is accepted as gambling, it is stated in the news that it was legal before when the man was involved in it.

If the government legalize gambling, anyone can be involved in gambling. But countries will have their own rules about government officials to be involved in gambling or not.

As long as the gambling platforms are legal, I don’t think the government itself will have to control on whom who can get the franchise or those who are not allowed to get the franchise. It will be another source of income for the government so they will never mind it. Well, talking about politicians, they are just regular people that aim to make profits from any legal businesses, so if they have the means to invest in it, then I think the government will not deprived them of their rights. Everything in business is fair, but it’s only the house who stays on edge.

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Quote from: goaldigger on April 30, 2023, 04:47:38 PM

Politics will always be a part of gambling, there’s a big money for this market and getting to involve on this will make them more rich.

Gambling is not illegal though in our country but I think those politicians should focus more on their work as politicians instead of spending time in gambling as they are not allowed to play though. Corruption is still a big problem, that’s why many are still not satisfied with our government.

This is common all around, because politicians are not for the people. Nowadays they're for the corporate and for money making. In my country during covid-19 people were unable to move out of the house. This made more people get into gambling and more platforms came into usage during those days. The impact that got created during those days caused more suicides. This continued and there were protests against the ruling party, but the politicians were in talks with the gambling platforms and never agreed for ban. The government should support the people as well as educate them than just standing in favour of the corporate.

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Quote from: tusandii on April 27, 2023, 04:55:42 AM

Everything depends on a country whether gambling is a prohibited activity there or not.
If gambling in that country has a legal business permit law and there are no restrictions, then what the politician is doing is not a crime because he is in business to get some money.
Naturally, if he decided to take fair play in the gambling business so he could raise money to win in an election because the gambling business is a business with huge profits.
So the conclusion is that whatever business is done by politicians who are candidates in elections, if there is no prohibition on their business, then it is not a crime or mistake and we can also see that there are lots of government figures who take a fair in the gambling business in the country.

That is true, even though it's an unethical act to buy votes in an election since the right way is that the general public chooses the candidate by their own choice and will and not because they are being paid, but that is what happens in third-world and underdeveloped countries since there is corruption in everything.

As far as owning a casino is concerned, it basically can't be prohibited a person who is also a politician shouldn't or can't own a casino if the business is illegal within the country. A politician can use the money earned from any source for his bad doings if he is evil, so it isn't only because of the casino.

Even though buying people's votes in elections is an unethical act, this method is no longer a secret and many countries with politicians do it in order to be elected in elections.
Vote buying has become a culture in several countries that have a democratic system.

But if indeed the casino business is banned, there will still be a number of casinos still running because of the bribery of government people so that their casino business can still run.
Politicians who take a fair share in the gambling business can work behind the scenes so that no one knows that a politician is involved in the gambling industry.
Yes, and it's true what you said, when politicians want to do bad things to get some money, can be sure they have other sources of funding too.

For a corrupt country and does have its corrupt government then it would be no surprise that there would be illegal things which would really be operating under the radar on which these places or owners itself would really be that confident on running one just because they do really know that they are really that been protected or does really have the confidence just because if ever they would get caught or being reported,
they could simply just go and would be released out just because there's someone whose been protecting above which it would be no surprise on this way. This is really indeed very common if we do
really tend to see on how these things been going.

You could really expect that bribery would be that rampant into these kind of government on which it is really just that sad on how things do end up. Somewhat if you are a citizen who do loves to
play, then why would really be tending to stick up into these places which arent really that legal after all?

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Politics will always be a part of gambling, there’s a big money for this market and getting to involve on this will make them more rich.

Gambling is not illegal though in our country but I think those politicians should focus more on their work as politicians instead of spending time in gambling as they are not allowed to play though. Corruption is still a big problem, that’s why many are still not satisfied with our government.

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I am a person who believes that politicians should focus their career in their local politics so they can help to improve society, that being said, a politician should not be allowed to own a casino, neither to accept donations from corporations or invest in the stock market while engaged in the government as a public servant.

Those things only encourage corruption and trafficking of influences. If they want to become politician they must be ready to life off their salary, paid by the people of the country.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on April 30, 2023, 02:45:35 PM

I'm unsure of the political situation in the Philippines but in general I wouldn't trust any governmental involvement in the gambling system. They know how to use every legal loophole to get the advantage. As it stands the house has the odds if ypu add political power over those odds only increase. I'd steer clear of that platform.

That is why other countries have strict laws about who should be the owners of casinos whether it's offline or online in a corrupt country politicians can use their political power to advance their casino platform, its unfair competition if you have politicians as owners as they can bribe the regulators because of his connection.
Filipinos have a love for cock fighting which is why it easily become very popular but because of its controversy, the government stopped its operations.

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Quote from: aioc on April 25, 2023, 06:30:14 AM

A politician in the Philippines claimed to have had a hand in the development of the very controversial e-sabong platform he operated e-sabong so he can make a lot of money so he can use for the campaign, and his family to win local elections because the election in the Philippines is very costly many candidates are buying votes to secure their win, there were reports that he murdered their family's opponent because of e-sabong.
Do you think that government should have a rule or a law for election candidates not to have a franchise in any form of gambling, in fact, there are a lot of politicians who are operators of illegal small-town lotteries this is to accumulate funds they can use for election campaigns.

Congressman confirms past stint with e-sabong when it was not yet banned by gov’t

I'm unsure of the political situation in the Philippines but in general I wouldn't trust any governmental involvement in the gambling system. They know how to use every legal loophole to get the advantage. As it stands the house has the odds if ypu add political power over those odds only increase. I'd steer clear of that platform.

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on April 28, 2023, 12:44:23 PM

Quote from: tusandii on April 27, 2023, 04:55:42 AM

Everything depends on a country whether gambling is a prohibited activity there or not.
If gambling in that country has a legal business permit law and there are no restrictions, then what the politician is doing is not a crime because he is in business to get some money.
Naturally, if he decided to take fair play in the gambling business so he could raise money to win in an election because the gambling business is a business with huge profits.
So the conclusion is that whatever business is done by politicians who are candidates in elections, if there is no prohibition on their business, then it is not a crime or mistake and we can also see that there are lots of government figures who take a fair in the gambling business in the country.

That is true, even though it's an unethical act to buy votes in an election since the right way is that the general public chooses the candidate by their own choice and will and not because they are being paid, but that is what happens in third-world and underdeveloped countries since there is corruption in everything.

As far as owning a casino is concerned, it basically can't be prohibited a person who is also a politician shouldn't or can't own a casino if the business is illegal within the country. A politician can use the money earned from any source for his bad doings if he is evil, so it isn't only because of the casino.

Even though buying people's votes in elections is an unethical act, this method is no longer a secret and many countries with politicians do it in order to be elected in elections.
Vote buying has become a culture in several countries that have a democratic system.

But if indeed the casino business is banned, there will still be a number of casinos still running because of the bribery of government people so that their casino business can still run.
Politicians who take a fair share in the gambling business can work behind the scenes so that no one knows that a politician is involved in the gambling industry.
Yes, and it's true what you said, when politicians want to do bad things to get some money, can be sure they have other sources of funding too.

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Quote from: aioc on April 25, 2023, 06:30:14 AM

A politician in the Philippines claimed to have had a hand in the development of the very controversial e-sabong platform he operated e-sabong so he can make a lot of money so he can use for the campaign, and his family to win local elections because the election in the Philippines is very costly many candidates are buying votes to secure their win, there were reports that he murdered their family's opponent because of e-sabong.

Wait, wasn't Sabong already deemed illegal in the philipphines a few month (or year) back? Or maybe that was just a recommendation of sorts and my dumbass just misread it or something.

Quote from: aioc on April 25, 2023, 06:30:14 AM

Do you think that government should have a rule or a law for election candidates not to have a franchise in any form of gambling, in fact, there are a lot of politicians who are operators of illegal small-town lotteries this is to accumulate funds they can use for election campaigns.

Hmm, I guess it depends on the stance of that country with regard to gambling? I mean personally to me it's completely fine, it's his money that he used to build a business (hopefully) after all. If the country that they were going to set their business in frowns upon gambling, then yea absolutely. I mean, can't exactly expect their citizens to follow when they themselves are doing stuff against the laws that they set.

But well, we all know how it just goes back to who holds more power, regardless of laws and stance and whatnot in the end.

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Quote from: aioc on April 25, 2023, 06:30:14 AM

A politician in the Philippines claimed to have had a hand in the development of the very controversial e-sabong platform he operated e-sabong so he can make a lot of money so he can use for the campaign, and his family to win local elections because the election in the Philippines is very costly many candidates are buying votes to secure their win, there were reports that he murdered their family's opponent because of e-sabong.
Do you think that government should have a rule or a law for election candidates not to have a franchise in any form of gambling, in fact, there are a lot of politicians who are operators of illegal small-town lotteries this is to accumulate funds they can use for election campaigns.

Congressman confirms past stint with e-sabong when it was not yet banned by gov’t

I'm not surprised though, don't get me wrong, my Philippine politics is full of corrupt policeman, congressman, mayor and governors. And e-sabong if I'm not wrong is still very strong in the country, despite the government trying to banned it.

And there are a lot of killings as well, with police involvement and even the Senator had to have a hearing about what is going on behind and who might be the politicians protecting e-sabong. So with the admittance of Teves, which by the way is suspected to be the mastermind of eliminating the governor of his province for whatever reasons, I think there could be more in the government who is the protector not just of e-sabong, but illegal gamblings in the country.

This has happened everywhere where there is the involvement of the police and other government officials who are behind the gambling business and provide protection to business owners. And some even act as owners and pay a certain amount of money to officials or government persons so that their businesses can continue to run safely. And even though a law will be passed to control that, I don't think that will stop them from being re-elected as people who work in government because they can easily turn the situation in their favor. This is very difficult to eradicate because the number of corrupt officials is not known with certainty, making it difficult for honest officers to work.

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Quote from: tusandii on April 28, 2023, 04:52:27 AM

Quote from: jostorres on April 27, 2023, 04:00:22 PM

In politically corrupt countries, there is nothing that can't be done especially if one has money, and politicians have a lot of that since there is corruption in almost everything that they have their hands in and they get their part from everything. That is the reason why there are basically no rules and regulations for politicians in such countries.

I'm not sure about how things work in developed countries but that is what happens in third-world or developing countries, and the reason why these countries don't become developed is basically the extreme level of corruption.

What you say is true and they can also take advantage of the gambling industry to carry out money laundering so that the acts of corruption that they commit cannot be traced to the financial sources obtained.
Political players in government are criminals who are actually even more dangerous in a country and the average person in this kind of government will be protected and rarely be caught by the law.
So far, no country has been able to really control acts of corruption, except for countries that have very strict laws and even dare to take harsh penalties against any government criminals.
There is one country that has severe penalties for corruptors and with these penalties no one dares to commit corruption even if only in small amounts, namely North Korea.

North Korea should not be counted in this in my opinion since that isn't a democratic country based on what has been the rules for so many years and how the government actually is, but other countries, mostly third-world countries suffer more from corruption since there is basically not much law imposing authorities since there is corruption in every sector.

The corrupt politicians use every source they can to carry out their evil and illegal activities not to hide them from the authorities but to hide them from the general public, the authorities work under them so they don't fear them at all.

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Quote from: aioc on April 25, 2023, 06:30:14 AM

A politician in the Philippines claimed to have had a hand in the development of the very controversial e-sabong platform he operated e-sabong so he can make a lot of money so he can use for the campaign, and his family to win local elections because the election in the Philippines is very costly many candidates are buying votes to secure their win, there were reports that he murdered their family's opponent because of e-sabong.
Do you think that government should have a rule or a law for election candidates not to have a franchise in any form of gambling, in fact, there are a lot of politicians who are operators of illegal small-town lotteries this is to accumulate funds they can use for election campaigns.

Congressman confirms past stint with e-sabong when it was not yet banned by gov’t

I'm not surprised though, don't get me wrong, my Philippine politics is full of corrupt policeman, congressman, mayor and governors. And e-sabong if I'm not wrong is still very strong in the country, despite the government trying to banned it.

And there are a lot of killings as well, with police involvement and even the Senator had to have a hearing about what is going on behind and who might be the politicians protecting e-sabong. So with the admittance of Teves, which by the way is suspected to be the mastermind of eliminating the governor of his province for whatever reasons, I think there could be more in the government who is the protector not just of e-sabong, but illegal gamblings in the country.

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Quote from: tusandii on April 27, 2023, 04:55:42 AM

Everything depends on a country whether gambling is a prohibited activity there or not.
If gambling in that country has a legal business permit law and there are no restrictions, then what the politician is doing is not a crime because he is in business to get some money.
Naturally, if he decided to take fair play in the gambling business so he could raise money to win in an election because the gambling business is a business with huge profits.
So the conclusion is that whatever business is done by politicians who are candidates in elections, if there is no prohibition on their business, then it is not a crime or mistake and we can also see that there are lots of government figures who take a fair in the gambling business in the country.

If I am going to run as a candidate I think I will avoid gambling as a business because we all know many people are allergic to it and it gives me a bad impression from them so my chance to win will be lesser. There are still profitable business out there other than in gambling that I can try. Other than gambling many politicians are also involved in drug trading.

It's no surprise because there is also huge money to be made here but the only problem is that it is more illegal than in gambling and it gives a lot of negative impression too to the candidate. Many of them still continue because they are desperate to gather funds and win. They think they can still hide their wrong doings in the public but there is a big chance that it will be discovered later on like what happened to others.

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There are legal and illegal gambling in the Philippines. It is not really prohibited to gamble as long as you are playing those gambling games that are permitted by the government to operate. Being involved in illegal gambling operations and even gambling participation have a specific punishment and fine whether you are an ordinary people or a government official.

Personally, I think it will be much better if there will be a certain law that will state that public officials are prohibited in participating in anything related with gambling. This is to protect the reputation and the view of the public officials from the citizens and at the same time so that there will be no bothersome comments and doubts about the fund or money being used for personal benefits.

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Quote from: aioc on April 25, 2023, 06:30:14 AM

A politician in the Philippines claimed to have had a hand in the development of the very controversial e-sabong platform he operated e-sabong so he can make a lot of money so he can use for the campaign, and his family to win local elections because the election in the Philippines is very costly many candidates are buying votes to secure their win, there were reports that he murdered their family's opponent because of e-sabong.
Do you think that government should have a rule or a law for election candidates not to have a franchise in any form of gambling, in fact, there are a lot of politicians who are operators of illegal small-town lotteries this is to accumulate funds they can use for election campaigns.

Congressman confirms past stint with e-sabong when it was not yet banned by gov’t

I think there is already a rule that prohits politicians or any government officials from getting involved in gambling and now reading through the OP, there is a murder case associated with the political aspirant and don't be surprised if he wins since anything can happen in politics and anyone with the highest money might even emerge as the winner wgeh there are other suitable aspirant as well.
I think the law should act very fast with their investigations and there isn't any law in that country restricting politicians from involving in gambling, then the law should be reviewed and amended so as not to encourage people from stealing government funds through that means.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on April 25, 2023, 11:59:07 PM

Quote from: aioc on April 25, 2023, 06:30:14 AM

A politician in the Philippines claimed to have had a hand in the development of the very controversial e-sabong platform he operated e-sabong so he can make a lot of money so he can use for the campaign, and his family to win local elections because the election in the Philippines is very costly many candidates are buying votes to secure their win, there were reports that he murdered their family's opponent because of e-sabong.
Do you think that government should have a rule or a law for election candidates not to have a franchise in any form of gambling, in fact, there are a lot of politicians who are operators of illegal small-town lotteries this is to accumulate funds they can use for election campaigns.

Congressman confirms past stint with e-sabong when it was not yet banned by gov’t

If gambling is legal then I do not see any problem with a politician engaging on the gambling business as long as they have all the permissions to operate legally and the games they offer are not manipulated in any way or form.

After all at that point a casino is like any other business which has to pay taxes, licenses, utilities and all what is needed to run it, and obviously if gambling is deemed illegal or a politician is using their influence to run it without the necessary licenses then that casino needs to close its doors and the politician needs to face the legal and social consequences of running a casino in this way.

It's not that the politician is influential but sabong on this country is so popular and I think that was the first online sabong game ever invented so Filipinos are dying for it. I heard that this was also the reason why it was banned because people are becoming an addict with it. They lose their money and destroy their lives/family.

After the ban, there are so many illegal e-sabong that came out because these illegal operators know that many people are still looking for it. Anyway, the first sentence that you said is correct. It's indeed fine as long as the business is legal but it is still wrong if the politicians are buying votes in order to win. They must only compete fairly. The public must not be greedy as well and grab the offer because this is the start of corruption. Many people are complaining about it but it was in fact their fault.

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Quote from: tusandii on April 27, 2023, 04:55:42 AM

Everything depends on a country whether gambling is a prohibited activity there or not.
If gambling in that country has a legal business permit law and there are no restrictions, then what the politician is doing is not a crime because he is in business to get some money.
Naturally, if he decided to take fair play in the gambling business so he could raise money to win in an election because the gambling business is a business with huge profits.
So the conclusion is that whatever business is done by politicians who are candidates in elections, if there is no prohibition on their business, then it is not a crime or mistake and we can also see that there are lots of government figures who take a fair in the gambling business in the country.

That is true, even though it's an unethical act to buy votes in an election since the right way is that the general public chooses the candidate by their own choice and will and not because they are being paid, but that is what happens in third-world and underdeveloped countries since there is corruption in everything.

As far as owning a casino is concerned, it basically can't be prohibited a person who is also a politician shouldn't or can't own a casino if the business is illegal within the country. A politician can use the money earned from any source for his bad doings if he is evil, so it isn't only because of the casino.

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Quote from: bittraffic on April 27, 2023, 01:09:45 AM

Not just in the Philippines, it happens in many countries. Almost all of those in the 3rd world countries are having these issues where politicians are involved in shady businesses. There is just nothing that can force politicians to comply with regulations or they may find ways to use someone's name to operate a shady business. In my country, the known drug dealers are the ones who lead the town. And people do nothing as they are powerful enough to kill radio critics in mid-day.

It happened in many countries and is still happening today and maybe until the next election. But if there are rules that can govern everything, I don't think politicians or candidates will want to try to run for office because there are sanctions that will be given if they are caught. Even corrupt state officials can be re-elected because they have such a strong network that can make people vote for them again. And the people also can't do anything, but the candidates should think that if the people unite, they will have great power to overthrow those corrupt people.

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