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Topic: POLL: Do you still expect a big rally in the next 32 days? (Read 4318 times)

legendary
Activity: 1064
Merit: 1001
Seems all hope is lost, price is going down down down. Maybe people expect $250 prices by the end of the year?

I would love to see 200, I would buy INSTANLY at least 50.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
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I expect a rally between early to mid 2015. Not before.
full member
Activity: 182
Merit: 100
Expecting continue sell off on every small to mini rally.

Don't forget Ethereum developers still control over 25k of BTC. They are going to cash them out eventually for payday.
hero member
Activity: 588
Merit: 500
Great scenario except the numbers aren't like this:

"Here is a basic example with just-for-fun figures:

- Invest 1 million USD in hardware & electricity for 3 months
- Mine BTC for 2 million USD during those 3 months
- Sell this BTC at market"

Right now....I'm talking today....they are more like this:

"
- Invest 1 million USD in hardware & electricity for 3 months
- Mine BTC for 0.735 million USD during those 3 months
- Sell this BTC at market"

$1m buys about 250 units of 3TH each....approx 500,000w of power needed.
Ie. now you need specialized facilities with a huge industrial power supply as well as high quality electrical installation.

According to most calculators...after 3 months you are still in the hole about $250k. + rent + building improvements


And there is no "more efficient" hardware for the guy in your scenario to switch to...the most efficient miners today are still not profitable given ANY calculation of 3 months or more...you literally cannot mine today at any scale for profit. (Unless you are designing and manufacturing your own hardware.)

So, as a diminishing returns miner you either turn off your current mining hardware....or continue mining at a higher cost than you could buy coins for and hold all mined coins, hoping and praying the price goes through the roof to cover your losses.

In any case, the miners would be better to shut off their hardware and use the electricity cost to buy coins on the exchange with no risk.

The only variable there is that now you have $1m tied up in rapidly depreciating mining hardware.




sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
Ask yourself this, and answer honestly: "Would I be willing to spend a thousand dollars or more for a single Bitcoin? Would I be willing to spend a hundred dollars or more for a tenth of a Bitcoin?"

If the answer is no, you'll understand why we won't have more rallies. There simply aren't enough suckers left. The Average Joes have rejected Bitcoin, with good reason. Bitcoin is inferior to credit cards in every way. It's a completely inferior, unsafe, useless, slow, inefficient, unstable payment system with zero user-friendliness, zero credibility, zero customer protection and a bad reputation to boot. It's no wonder it's failing. Good riddance.

Bitcoin rallies are a thing of the past. They were all caused by Willybot and similar Mt.Gox manipulation schemes. With Gox out of the picture, there's nothing that can fuel new rallies. Thus the price continues downwards, as it has done since early last December. Get used to it. Sell your stash now, while there's still some value left in your soon-to-be-worthless coins.

sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 250
Not too sure if we will get a big rally to be honest but we may see something of an increase in the price within the next 56 days. It will be nice to see a price rise within that time after the time we have spent seeing this current drop.
IMZ
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1000
Big rally in within two months? No -- but the mid-term reasons for price increase are plentiful.

Mark (IndiaMikeZulu)
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1000
I expect the end of the falls in price time and some recover, because the summer is ending.

But can't see reason for a rally. Maybe back to 600's, but its not really a rally, is it?
full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 106
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yeah, but if you were to expect a rally, then you'd also need a reason for it to actually make a rally.
...

Seems paradoxical, but no... If enough people expect a rally then that itself will be the reason.

I think the big bubbles are psychological noise (silly fuzzy human wetware) on top of the systems "real" growth.
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
There's no reason for the price to drop again, I'm expecting this rally for sure.

yeah, but if you were to expect a rally, then you'd also need a reason for it to actually make a rally.

so no, i don't expect a rally.. but that of course would not surprise me since it's bitcoin after all.
legendary
Activity: 896
Merit: 1001
More precisely, I think we are positioning for around 90 days, at the moment. Things will probably be underway in 56 days, but fireworks will be in reserve.
hero member
Activity: 624
Merit: 500
The rally is starting today, we have just seen its beginning some hours ago.

Still looks like a short squeeze from here. A $20 move and not much follow-through. Could be wrong, but until we break $520-530 and keep seeing panic buying, I don't see a big rally ($600-700+)...
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
I'm expecting a huge rally in these days, followed by a quick drop in value.
newbie
Activity: 56
Merit: 0
The rally is starting today, we have just seen its beginning some hours ago.
legendary
Activity: 1064
Merit: 1001
Huge rally coming soon.......

I can't see how. Everyday we're going lower. But of course, in 1-2 years price will almost certainly be higher than today.
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
In 60 days I don't now, it could be like gambling.
But in a year there will be a rally for sure Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1000
Huge rally coming soon.......
sr. member
Activity: 639
Merit: 251
People have been expecting a rally ever since the China-crash. Remember how people were saying that we would be hitting 1000+ this summer?
Now we expect something in 2 months. And in two months we will expect something by christmas. Never ending delusional claims.
legendary
Activity: 1067
Merit: 1000
Big rally is expected given wild fluctuation nature in bitcoin price.

We could drop to 350 one day and then rally back to 600 another.
full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 106
Your numbers are great for your little scenario but if it were to cost a miner $500 to mine a coin, selling it for less would be stupid.  Ergo if the price is lower than the cost to mine: the available supply is likely to deminish.

LOL, what a failure to argue logical and rational.

The supply of new Bitcoins mined remains constant.

If the cost of a miner is $500 to mine a coin then he will simply turn this older miner off and the supply shifts over to miners with newer and more efficient hardware.

There is NO POSSIBLE SITUATION, even in theory, that the constant supply of new BTC will be reduced any time in the near future. The next reward halving is not for years. Thinking "the available supply is likely to deminish" because the supply shifts from one seller to another is not reasonable.

"if it were to cost a miner $500 to mine a coin" then mining it would be stupid and miners with basic economic understanding will simply turn their miners off.

I'm not retarded, and the supply of new coins does not remain constant,  the system merely self-regulates to converge on an average rate of 3600BTC/day.  Further you assume a rational actor (miner) when that is absolutely not the case  (See: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/anyone-else-losing-money-but-still-mining-765706).  Read the comment by Mobius where he implies that the poster should keep mining and hold on the premise that the future worth of the mined coins would outwiegh the mining costs today.

It would be absolutely ignorant to assume that whether a miner holds or dumps his new coins is irrelevant to the available supply when the high percentage earners are dumpers and the smaller percentage are holders.  Hence my point.  



@dropt is correct!

Correlation between difficulty and price is a two way street.

If electricity costs are close to fiat profits then the miner (who has spare cash) will continue to mine and hold coin waiting (hoping) for a better price.

This goes especially for miners who heat their house over the winter and try and sell their coin at a macro top in the future. This scenario is less irrational as the miner will be paying some fiat into heating regardless of whether he employs miners or not.

Witholding newly mined coin from market will reduce supply and thus coin price will increase.
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