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Topic: [POLL] How would you describe yourself politically? - page 3. (Read 5915 times)

legendary
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Because if you support the threat of violence against other human beings then that just makes you an asshole.

Sure, but I don't see how anarcho-capitalism avoids the threat of violence when it promotes private property and wage labour.

How does my holding onto my stuff, or me and a buddy agreeing privately on payment for a job threaten violence (or just "not avoid" it?)
legendary
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Here's a politics poll I can get along with  Grin

Now, who wants to explain the difference between Libertarian and Liberal?
legendary
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Because if you support the threat of violence against other human beings then that just makes you an asshole.

Sure, but I don't see how anarcho-capitalism avoids the threat of violence when it promotes private property and wage labour.
hero member
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Because if you support the threat of violence against other human beings then that just makes you an asshole.

Now if people just were ethical...
legendary
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Because if you support the threat of violence against other human beings then that just makes you an asshole.
legendary
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The only ethical option: anarcho-capitalist.

How do you figure anarcho-capitalism is the only ethical option?
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The only ethical option: anarcho-capitalist.
sr. member
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Communist/Fascist/Totalitarian.

Good to know. You have a website that pools bitcoins and are a totalitarian. I know what I would do with that website. Avoid it.
legendary
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sr. member
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Interesting.... I am finding that on here a lot of people have libertarian leanings personally, but want things that only huge government can provide (free healthcare, government pay for the poors)

Who calls themselves libertarian but want free healthcare and government to pay the poor? Example please.

No, they won't claim Libertarianism, usually, they claim some sort of socialist/anarchist views, but they want to be able to smoke dope all they want without consequences and be able to gamble online and have free exchange. their actions and wishes lean Libertarian, but their political views are in absolute contrast with their wishes.
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Libertarian Socialist is a confused person, how can the government provide many goods and services to the public and control the means of production (Socialism) while at the same time leaving you free to provide for yourself and be small (Libertarian)?

I'm afraid you're the one confused here. Do some more research on each school of thought and you'll see.
legendary
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Libertarian Socialist is a confused person, how can the government provide many goods and services to the public and control the means of production (Socialism) while at the same time leaving you free to provide for yourself and be small (Libertarian)?

Your definitions are a bit off, hence the confusion. Socialism doesn't necessarily imply government control of the means of production; you can have state socialism which does, and libertarian socialism which doesn't.

Libertarian socialism itself strives for a non-hierarchical society, governed by more direct forms of democracy and without private property in the means of production. Notice that this is in no way incompatible with providing healthcare or assistance to those in need.
legendary
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There's a common misconception about Libertarians and even Anarchists where people make assumptions that because they're against large governments they're automatically against everything about them, you can taxed healthcare ( please don't use the term free ) on a small or localised scale without robbing everybody of their cash especially if you're efficient about it.

Anarchists and Libertarians also aren't against the idea of communities organising their own free healthcare which is another blatant lie people against Anarchism/Libertarianism tend to believe, at least not the intelligent ones I've seen but that's only if you're absolutely against government.
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Interesting.... I am finding that on here a lot of people have libertarian leanings personally, but want things that only huge government can provide (free healthcare, government pay for the poors)

Who calls themselves libertarian but want free healthcare and government to pay the poor? Example please.
sr. member
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Libertarian Socialist is a confused person, how can the government provide many goods and services to the public and control the means of production (Socialism) while at the same time leaving you free to provide for yourself and be small (Libertarian)?
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This poll is more about the way you view the government and it's role:

Anarchist: Nothing, Burn it all DOWN! F. the government.

Libertarian: Small, limited, but there, keeping out of people's lives, but doing small things like coordination between states, and ensuring equal opportunity.

Conservative: Reliance upon God is very important, moderate government with strong laws against immorality. Means test social programs.

Liberal (Progressive): Big government, as big as we can get it at the moment, because if the government wants to do something good, we should all be behind it.

Socialist: Somewhere in the continuum between Conservative and Communist. Government should provide for the poor, the unhealthy, the uneducated, the lazy, etc.

Communist: We should all be equal, not in the opportunity, but in outcome. Whatever needs to be done to bring this about is OK with me.

These are quite naive and misconceived definitions. Libertarian Socialists are Anarchists and true Anarchism isn't "Burn it all DOWN! F. the government" at all.
sr. member
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This poll is more about the way you view the government and it's role:

Anarchist: Nothing, Burn it all DOWN! F. the government.

Libertarian: Small, limited, but there, keeping out of people's lives, but doing small things like coordination between states, and ensuring equal opportunity.

Conservative: Reliance upon God is very important, moderate government with strong laws against immorality. Means test social programs.

Liberal (Progressive): Big government, as big as we can get it at the moment, because if the government wants to do something good, we should all be behind it.

Socialist: Somewhere in the continuum between Conservative and Communist. Government should provide for the poor, the unhealthy, the uneducated, the lazy, etc.

Communist: We should all be equal, not in the opportunity, but in outcome. Whatever needs to be done to bring this about is OK with me.
hero member
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Social liberal is probably closest in traditional terminology.
sr. member
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Interesting.... I am finding that on here a lot of people have libertarian leanings personally, but want things that only huge government can provide (free healthcare, government pay for the poors)

Then there is the Anarchistic gut-feeling that a lot of people have. I find it most common with people who were spoiled as children, given everything they want without struggle. It's like they want a big struggle to prove themselves to themselves.

Maybe I should add socialist/libertarian (even though it is a contradiction in terms) and some other contradictory or inconsistent choices.
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I don't fit into any one group. Certain situations require different solutions. No one ideology will be ideal for every situation.
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