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Topic: Poll on solving the imgur issue - page 5. (Read 2167 times)

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May 25, 2023, 03:37:04 AM
#72
I've been switching from imgur to imgbb for quite a while due to better settings, no failures whatsoever so far. If I had to vote for image hosting other than talkimg, I'd go with imgbb. The only annoying thing is that maybe you'll see ad pop ups after several page switches.
legendary
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May 25, 2023, 02:17:36 AM
#71
to prevent this from happening again, you'll get an error if you try to embed imgur images in posts from now on.
This also means old posts can no longer be edited without replacing the image links (I just tested it).
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May 25, 2023, 12:42:55 AM
#70

2: Make it so that all past imgur embedded images show up as a clickable link instead of as an embedded image, as if the poster had just posted the imgur link instead of using the [img] tag. I could also maybe make it so that if you click the link, it will JavaScript-expand into an embedded image (using the specified width etc.) without going through the image proxy.

3: Exempt imgur links from the image proxy so they all just work. But this has privacy implications, since imgur will see forum users' IPs. Also, imgur has apparently banned a lot of Tor exit nodes etc. as well, so imgur images won't work for everyone.
This appears to be somewhat of a moot point, because it looks like the underlying issue has resolved itself.

If something similar pops up in the future, I think a good first step would be to reach out to the image hosting site in question to see if they can provide a solution that doesn’t compromise privacy. Perhaps they would be willing to whitelist the forums image proxy.

If the above fails, I think forum members should have the individual option to choose between 2 and 3, with 2 being the default and for guests. If someone understands the privacy implications and is willing to allow Imgur to know their IP address is associated with someone who accesses the forum, they can have reduced privacy in exchange for being able to see the original images.

There are many forum members who very much value their privacy and they likely don’t want Imgur knowing that their IP address accessed the forum.
legendary
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May 25, 2023, 12:18:07 AM
#69
I think that the option to not allow Imgur is fine from the point of view of the background that just happened, but technically it does not solve anything, in fact we veto ourselves, since any service can enter the same frequency either by the circumstance whatever.

I used various services even my account Twitter for my images a couple of times, but then this stopped working, so in the sense of thinking which service to use/recommend... is the user's dilemma that complements it with the [img] rules, then, for now a Very explicit, do not use Imgur, size 2.5 MB, JPG, PNG, GIF...

Finally it is obvious that the first option "today" is talkimg but based on what happened and on the bad habit of believing that cloud services are going to be eternal, it is good to recommend that (@users) have your own backup, chiefly for those images that correspond, especially those that can be called original, the only secure accommodation is one that does not depend on third parties, and in terms of backup, thanks to loyce for supporting that number of images.

I think that for those of us who like to add "1000 words"/images to our posts from time to time, this ending is very happy, once again thanks to everyone who tried and made it possible to see alternatives.

I think that any hosting site can serve as long as the forum allows it, obviously talkimg, imgBB, imgbox, this site work without restrictions and without registration. It also works postimages but the browser-connection issue you use may be annoying, no registration required. I repeat that the user should choose, there are even payment options, that option is viable for the ANN.

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May 24, 2023, 07:45:11 PM
#68
Other than TalkImg, which ones are good?

I use(d) Lightscreen to take and upload screenshots.  Its default website is imgur, however, there is a secondary website inbuilt "pomf-clone" which I can't say I've ever heard of, or have ever used.

An earlier version of Lightscreen had a third choice, but it's been long gone and again it wasn't one I ever used.
legendary
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May 24, 2023, 04:37:05 PM
#67
I'd like to create a page which recommends services for hosting forum images, and mention this in the error message you get when you try to use imgur. Other than TalkImg, which ones are good?
Imgbb.com worked fine when I used it, and I saw other forum members saying that postimages.org is a good alternative.
Note that I didn't research how strict they are with proxy and other things, but it's certainly good to have several image uploading alternatives available.
legendary
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May 24, 2023, 02:59:20 PM
#66
It looks like imgur is no longer blocking the image proxy. I didn't change anything on the forum's end, so imgur must've loosened up their limits. I guess it's not necessary to convert img images into links as long as imgur keeps working. But to prevent this from happening again, you'll get an error if you try to embed imgur images in posts from now on.

I'd like to create a page which recommends services for hosting forum images, and mention this in the error message you get when you try to use imgur. Other than TalkImg, which ones are good?

After I had problems with imgur (well before this problem on the forum), I used imgbb and never had any problems whatsoever.
I vote this service as a good recommendation besides talkimg

Not sure why but the last time I used imgbb, my images became smaller and had no idea to keep the original size lol.

After you hit the upload button you can chose one of these option below, and one of them is a thumbnail. I wonder if that is it.


legendary
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May 24, 2023, 02:55:06 PM
#65
It looks like imgur is no longer blocking the image proxy. I didn't change anything on the forum's end, so imgur must've loosened up their limits. I guess it's not necessary to convert img images into links as long as imgur keeps working. But to prevent this from happening again, you'll get an error if you try to embed imgur images in posts from now on.
this is probably for the best. good work!

I'd like to create a page which recommends services for hosting forum images, and mention this in the error message you get when you try to use imgur. Other than TalkImg, which ones are good?
I just used imgbb recently once, so I can't really say much about the service but I've seen a lot of members use imgbb before, so I assume it works well.

I did not check any old Imgur images yet. Is it started working again?
on my side, every Imgur image that I have uploaded is working now
legendary
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May 24, 2023, 02:09:09 PM
#64
It looks like imgur is no longer blocking the image proxy. I didn't change anything on the forum's end, so imgur must've loosened up their limits. I guess it's not necessary to convert img images into links as long as imgur keeps working. But to prevent this from happening again, you'll get an error if you try to embed imgur images in posts from now on.
Good call regarding future uploads on imgur. However, has an opinion, I don't think we should relax with imgur loosening their limits because then we would just be in an illusion thinking that we are safe. What will happen if imgur decides to push their plan eventually in the future? Or starts implementing more enforced rules? I think that this change is good, mostly because it will give us some time to keep discussing the best way to preserve our forum history. But for that I think that it would be wise to continue discussing it, now a bit more relaxed indeed.

I'd like to create a page which recommends services for hosting forum images, and mention this in the error message you get when you try to use imgur. Other than TalkImg, which ones are good?
I personally use vgy.me[1] because I like their privacy statement[2] and never had problems with them (so far) but that mostly has to due with them also not having the same reach as imgur:
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We only use your personal information to moderate the website, to remove content that violates our Terms of Service and to ban users who also violate the Terms of Service. Sending of e-mail is triggered by you, the user, when resetting your password or when registering an account with us, where you will receive an activation link via e-mail. We don't send you e-mails for any other reason.

Your IP address is used for moderation to link uploads to the same IP address (we occasionally get users who spam our uploader with hundreds, sometimes thousands of uploads). IP addresses are also logged for us to understand where most of our traffic comes from, so we can provide a better service.

3rd party services who use cookies to store data about your visit is not controlled by us.

If you don't like your information on our site, let us know - we'll get rid of it.

[1]https://vgy.me
[2]https://vgy.me/privacy-policy
legendary
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May 24, 2023, 01:48:51 PM
#63
What is the problem with imgbb? It was a service I used before TalkImg.
Of course I'd rather they use TalkImg.  Cool But it is to understand.

Not sure why but the last time I used imgbb, my images became smaller and had no idea to keep the original size lol.
legendary
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May 24, 2023, 01:42:57 PM
#62
Regarding the other image hosting services, I hope no one mention imgbb lol.

What is the problem with imgbb? It was a service I used before TalkImg.
Of course I'd rather they use TalkImg.  Cool But it is to understand.
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May 24, 2023, 01:37:28 PM
#61
It looks like imgur is no longer blocking the image proxy. I didn't change anything on the forum's end, so imgur must've loosened up their limits. I guess it's not necessary to convert img images into links as long as imgur keeps working. But to prevent this from happening again, you'll get an error if you try to embed imgur images in posts from now on.

I'd like to create a page which recommends services for hosting forum images, and mention this in the error message you get when you try to use imgur. Other than TalkImg, which ones are good?

Oh I was wondering why I can't upload one of my imgur images on the other thread, thanks for clearing it up! Regarding the other image hosting services, I hope no one mention imgbb lol. Talkimg is still the best one. I once used imagehost.at but they seem not so legit yet, though you could consider them as an alternative for urgent case.
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May 24, 2023, 01:34:35 PM
#60
Other than TalkImg, which ones are good?

Well, Talkimg should be the first one to suggest since it's an dedicated service for forum members only. Other than this one, we have imgbb.com and postimages.org/postimg.cc (both are the same). These two images hosting are fast for me. Most of the other services are works slowly and not available 24/7. Some of them went down at some point and then get back again after a few hours. But, I am satisfied with imgbb and postimg so far. I hope others will suggest them as well.

I did not check any old Imgur images yet. Is it started working again?
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May 24, 2023, 01:24:57 PM
#59
It looks like imgur is no longer blocking the image proxy. I didn't change anything on the forum's end, so imgur must've loosened up their limits. I guess it's not necessary to convert img images into links as long as imgur keeps working. But to prevent this from happening again, you'll get an error if you try to embed imgur images in posts from now on.

I'd like to create a page which recommends services for hosting forum images, and mention this in the error message you get when you try to use imgur. Other than TalkImg, which ones are good?
legendary
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May 20, 2023, 01:32:36 PM
#58
But what else can be done?
With imgur?  Out of the options given in the OP, I would still probably lean towards #3 or #4.

These allow the best view for threads for any images still hosted at imgur and would still allow the image proxy to put up the "invalid image" image for any deleted images, and not a broken link.

People using TOR are usually the ones concerned with their IP privacy, so why does an exemption here matter to them if they're IP is already being covered by Tor? Imgur would only see the Tor node's IP.

For people not using TOR, what would be the main concerns with imgur knowing your IP address viewed an image on the forum?

For #5, this would certainly deal with the deleted imgur images nicely. Are there maybe trust/liability issues here when theymos picks a specific place to force redirect and/or edit the posts of other users image(s) to a particular host?  Options in the OP are just sort of using what the user posted, but displaying them differently.


For the future?
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I had mentioned (privately) the thought of the forum itself hosting/archiving sets of images from particular domains through the image proxy, potentially for future situations like this. Hosting sets of images on the forum itself is probably the best case scenario for historical preservation purposes, but based on the options presented in the OP, I don't think this is really something theymos is willing to entertain, probably for good reasons.
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Essentially that the forum would save a backup copy of images as they are seen through the image proxy. Not for [immediate] display purposes, but for archiving, so that if/when an image host/domain goes offline, the forum could then display its archived copy of those images.

It may be too complicated to create, and would overall obviously take some more resources in terms of storage space to save an image the first time it is seen, and bandwidth to display any images that are using the archived copy, aaand probably some slight increases in things like processor/memory/DB activity to manage it all.  Smiley

Maybe overkill here but I was thinking more long-term, or in situations where users or the community may not get a chance to save the images. I believe images are a big part of the forum, so losing them and/or access to them in large batches seems bad for the forum.
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May 20, 2023, 05:04:23 AM
#57
Since in this case I am personally interested in archival purposes, my vote goes for the second option.

There has been occasions when I would like to check on past threads and discussion which are significantly old in the forum and I am afraid I end up losing much of the context, due to the lack of the images referenced. At least with the clickable link the context and the content is still accessible to all of us.  Smiley

Since months ago I stopped using Imgur in favor of better alternatives, btw.
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May 20, 2023, 02:49:52 AM
#56
From a user perspective, the ideal solution would be transparent to the him, preserving the display of the images whilst not involving him in the process (many can’t be). Bearing that in mind, and having, I figure, discarded the obvious (having a solution on imgur’s end to the mess they’ve created) the best solution would seem to be this one:

<…> 5. Someone creates a website with all most of the imgur images, and you forward the image proxy to that site for any imgur picture. It's probably a good idea to combine it with option 4 <…>

I would be concerned though with which image repository to use, that minimizes (not eliminates) the risk in the long run of having to shift yet again. The closer the repository is to the forum the more control over it one can have, both in terms of the team that runs it and supports it financially.
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May 20, 2023, 01:26:24 AM
#55
maybe TryNinja ~ could ~ create a userscript that allows embedding images within posts directly from the client side.
You're looking for [Script] Fix broken Imgur images forum-wide (client only).
legendary
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May 19, 2023, 05:02:36 PM
#54
IMO I'm not sure it should matter as much on what the user can do themselves, some of the users may not even be here anymore.

The forum itself should want the images as they were in the thread, to preserve the historical nature.

I certainly will not be mass-editing my prior posts, with or without a script, so hopefully there will be something that can be done here with one of the options in the OP, even if it doesn't end up the most optimal option for the forum and future readers.


But what else can be done?

I believe the second option is the best compromise without making the forum give up its users' privacy. It's the right move in principle, although it won't make many threads look very good.

I am just throwing out an idea here, but maybe TryNinja or some of the other developers could possibly create a userscript that allows embedding images within posts directly from the client side. It is just a thought off the top of my head!


EDIT: Thank you LoyceV! This is a very useful script.
legendary
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May 19, 2023, 10:37:45 AM
#53
IMO I'm not sure it should matter as much on what the user can do themselves, some of the users may not even be here anymore.

The forum itself should want the images as they were in the thread, to preserve the historical nature.

I certainly will not be mass-editing my prior posts, with or without a script, so hopefully there will be something that can be done here with one of the options in the OP, even if it doesn't end up the most optimal option for the forum and future readers.


But what else can be done?

I believe the second option is the best compromise without making the forum give up its users' privacy. It's the right move in principle, although it won't make many threads look very good.
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