Poll on solving the imgur issue - page 7.

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Quote from: theymos on May 17, 2023, 11:16:25 AM

1: Do nothing. People will have to edit past broken images and use different image-hosting services going forward.

A lot of users with images have permanently left the forum and will not be able to do this.

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2: Make it so that all past imgur embedded images show up as a clickable link instead of as an embedded image, as if the poster had just posted the imgur link instead of using the [img] tag. I could also maybe make it so that if you click the link, it will JavaScript-expand into an embedded image (using the specified width etc.) without going through the image proxy.

I like this option best.

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3: Exempt imgur links from the image proxy so they all just work. But this has privacy implications, since imgur will see forum users' IPs. Also, imgur has apparently banned a lot of Tor exit nodes etc. as well, so imgur images won't work for everyone.

4: Exempt imgur links from the image proxy as above, but prevent using imgur embedded images in any future posts, to sort of phase it out.

I don't trust that Imgur or any other social media company has anyone's privacy in their best interest.

I would combine number 2 with a second option:

Pay the hosting fees of TalkImg service using the Bitcointalk forum reserves to insure that it can continue operating as the preferred image hosting service for Bitcointalk.

But you might want to discuss with them how big their server bill is and whether there's any way to reduce it first.

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I think the priority now is to keep those photos by hosting them.

I don't think most of us will have a copy of it and therefore the first option is not available.
The last option is meaningless because over time this could happen to any other service.

The ideal solution, is to have an unofficial hosting service (non-profit organization), so that the forum pays a little to ensure that the service will last for several years and bear the volume of traffic, with a monthly payment to them like staff.
thus reducing the damage to intellectual property rights and the existence of a service that the forum members can hold accountable.

It is true that this option will cost about $ 1,000 per month, but the value of this data will definitely be higher than that.

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Quote from: theymos on May 17, 2023, 11:16:25 AM

2: Make it so that all past imgur embedded images show up as a clickable link instead of as an embedded image, as if the poster had just posted the imgur link instead of using the [img] tag. I could also maybe make it so that if you click the link, it will JavaScript-expand into an embedded image (using the specified width etc.) without going through the image proxy.

Instead of "expand on click", could you make this a profile option? Something like: "Tick to enable all imgur images without proxy".

Quote from: theymos on May 17, 2023, 11:16:25 AM

3: Exempt imgur links from the image proxy so they all just work. But this has privacy implications, since imgur will see forum users' IPs. Also, imgur has apparently banned a lot of Tor exit nodes etc. as well, so imgur images won't work for everyone.

This isn't a long-term solution once imgur starts deleting anonymous uploads:

Quote from: logfiles on May 11, 2023, 06:21:29 PM

Quote from: https://techcrunch.com/2023/04/20/imgur-will-ban-explicit-images-on-its-platform-this-month/

In addition to explicit images, Imgur is also removing old and unused photos that are not tied to an account. As a Twitter user noted, Imgur has been used for years to upload photos without an account and post links to different kinds of sites. Removing those images might result in a lot of dead links all over the internet.

The changes are going to take effect this Month on the 15th.

I'm missing option 5:
5. Someone creates a website with ~~all~~ most of the imgur images, and you forward the image proxy to that site for any imgur picture. It's probably a good idea to combine it with option 4:

Quote from: Eternad on May 17, 2023, 11:35:21 AM

It’s the author/poster main responsibility to update all his post if he really values all his content.

I always considered Bitcointalk to be an archive, and long-term, everyone will abandon their accounts.

Quote from: ibminer on May 17, 2023, 01:09:33 PM

IMO I'm not sure it should matter as much on what the user can do themselves, some of the users may not even be here anymore.

The forum itself should want the images as they were in the thread, to preserve the historical nature.

My thoughts exactly!

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I certainly will not be mass-editing my prior posts, with or without a script, so hopefully there will be something that can be done here with one of the options in the OP, even if it doesn't end up the most optimal option for the forum and future readers.

I don't think I've ever used imgur, but I have quoted hundreds ~~(link doesn't work yet)~~ of imgur images. I wasn't planning on editing those posts, but it would be nice if the images still work.

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I prefer either option 1 or 2. I believe it is the responsibility of the original authors to address and fix their broken posts.

Quote from: Josefjix on May 17, 2023, 05:31:55 PM

What happens to a tutorial thread that uses an image as an illustration? Making the image just a link would make the thread less valuable and more confusing for everyone.

What happens to the tutorial or thread if the images are deleted from the hosting service for whatever reason? It is not the responsibility of the bicointalk.org forum administrator to fix issues that are beyond his control. Each forum user is responsible for choosing their preferred image hosting service. In this particular situation, it seems that Imgur was not the best choice.

Quote from: Josefjix on May 17, 2023, 05:31:55 PM

The best option would be 3 or 4, as there are many past posts and images that don't need to be tampered with. I'd say getting back all the old images to work again would be the perfect option, and then a ban on imgur service moving forward.

These options may not be best for members who value their privacy. Do you know why the bitcointalk.org image proxy was introduced in the first place?

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on May 17, 2023, 12:42:42 PM

For those who really want their images as it was, they can just use TryNinja's script. Seekers will find their solutions today or tomorrow.

That script is limited to active users only and even among those users, I have doubts that less than 50% will be aware of its existence or actually execute it.

Those who are not active they are protected by the option 2 which is removing the [img] tag and just to leave the image url.

What happens to a tutorial thread that uses an image as an illustration? Making the image just a link would make the thread less valuable and more confusing for everyone. The best option would be 3 or 4, as there are many past posts and images that don't need to be tampered with. I'd say getting back all the old images to work again would be the perfect option, and then a ban on imgur service moving forward.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on May 17, 2023, 02:21:41 PM

There was a lot of talk of turning all imgur links into TalkImg links, or maybe even imgbb, but we don't know if imgbb will do something similar in future, and I am not sure TalkImg can handle a lot of traffic yet.

With good funding and have passion of doing something, TalkImg can be a good resource for us. In fact why don't we have our own image hosting? The forum does no have money problem after all. If the forum has it's own image hosting then we don't need to depend on any third party. Images are a good part of the culture we made on the forum.

The quick solution now would be to either acquire TalkImg or make a large donation to the donation address to get it working as long as the forum is exist.... these are two possible options.

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Quote from: shahzadafzal on May 17, 2023, 01:38:02 PM

Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on May 17, 2023, 12:42:42 PM

For those who really want their images as it was, they can just use TryNinja's script. Seekers will find their solutions today or tomorrow.

That script is limited to active users only and even among those users, I have doubts that less than 50% will be aware of its existence or actually execute it.

Those who are not active they are protected by the option 2 which is removing the [img] tag and just to leave the image url.

Quote from: dkbit98 on May 17, 2023, 02:21:41 PM

There was a lot of talk of turning all imgur links into TalkImg links, or maybe even imgbb, but we don't know if imgbb will do something similar in future, and I am not sure TalkImg can handle a lot of traffic yet.

With good funding and have passion of doing something, TalkImg can be a good resource for us. In fact why don't we have our own image hosting? The forum does no have money problem after all. If the forum has it's own image hosting then we don't need to depend on any third party. Images are a good part of the culture we made on the forum.

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The best way to solve this image issue is to add upload image feature in the standard tool bar like the way images are uploaded in other websites and social media like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram WhatsApp and others. And that will make the process even more easier for users to upload image. Using the third party uploading method is cause of the whole problem so to avoid such problem in the future let the admin add image uploading feature in the forum software.

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As someone who has a lot of images hosted on Imgur showing various products and historical information, I think it would be nice if I didn’t have to download software on my machine and spend time reviewing code in order to get my images preserved. I would much prefer the forum fix this issue either by migrating all images to a new service, hosting them, or allowing historical images to remain.

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Quote from: theymos

2: Make it so that all past imgur embedded images show up as a clickable link instead of as an embedded image, as if the poster had just posted the imgur link instead of using the [img] tag. I could also maybe make it so that if you click the link, it will JavaScript-expand into an embedded image (using the specified width etc.) without going through the image proxy.

I vote for number 2 which it will make the image embedded, and it will be very easy for Bitcointalk.org users to click the link without going through the image proxy.

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I guess that option 2 is okay. Not optimal, still okay.
The users active on Bitcointalk can act if they want to, there's a script doing a great job.
The rest of the posts will at least have the links to the images.

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Quote from: decodx on May 17, 2023, 02:15:06 PM

I support the idea of implementing option 2 - "Make it so that all past imgur embedded images show up as a clickable link instead of as an embedded image". This approach strikes a middle ground where users can still choose to fix their images by switching to a different image hosting service and editing their posts. At the same time, this solution addresses privacy concerns as members' IP addresses won't be shared with third parties without their knowledge or consent. It provides a practical compromise that benefits both user experience and privacy protection. The same as we already have with external links. As for JavaScript-expand into an embedded image, I don't think it's necessary.

I fully support this option. Although many people may not like the use of JavaScript in this clause because someone does not use JavaScript or because they are afraid of some vulnerabilities. I think the use of JavaScript is appropriate in this case.

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Quote from: theymos on May 17, 2023, 11:16:25 AM

There are a lot of broken imgur links. How do you think this should be resolved? I've come up with these possible solutions:

None of the four solutions you offered is ideal but if I had to choose one of them I would select second option to make all imgur links clickable and keep some privacy.

There was a lot of talk of turning all imgur links into TalkImg links, or maybe even imgbb, but we don't know if imgbb will do something similar in future, and I am not sure TalkImg can handle a lot of traffic yet.
In ideal situation I would prefer if we could just replace all imgur images, but I don't think it's that simple.

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I support the idea of implementing option 2 - "Make it so that all past imgur embedded images show up as a clickable link instead of as an embedded image". This approach strikes a middle ground where users can still choose to fix their images by switching to a different image hosting service and editing their posts. At the same time, this solution addresses privacy concerns as members' IP addresses won't be shared with third parties without their knowledge or consent. It provides a practical compromise that benefits both user experience and privacy protection. The same as we already have with external links. As for JavaScript-expand into an embedded image, I don't think it's necessary.

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Quote from: theymos on May 17, 2023, 11:16:25 AM

There are a lot of broken imgur links. How do you think this should be resolved? I've come up with these possible solutions:
2: Make it so that all past imgur embedded images show up as a clickable link instead of as an embedded image, as if the poster had just posted the imgur link instead of using the [img] tag. I could also maybe make it so that if you click the link, it will JavaScript-expand into an embedded image (using the specified width etc.) without going through the image proxy.

I would go with this because there are members that have a made great number of educative posts containing imgur broken images and it's going to be a daunting task to update all of these images. More also, some members have passed on so there is no way such posts can be updated, some accounts have been banned while some have been abondoned because of one reason or the other.

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Ahh so it's clear we don't have a clean solution to this at the moment.

Having a forum's own image hosting service would be ideal, but yes it would require significant investment in terms of time, money, and effort.

To be honest I think doing nothing shouldn't be an option here... we have to do something

Quote from: theymos on May 17, 2023, 11:16:25 AM

3: Exempt imgur links from the image proxy so they all just work. But this has privacy implications, since imgur will see forum users' IPs. Also, imgur has apparently banned a lot of Tor exit nodes etc. as well, so imgur images won't work for everyone.

Big No!!! Leaking ip to imgur might be ok to some users but this could potentially be manipulated and exploited, I mean "nobles" will find a way to put their own urls, which might lead to user's IP tracking.

Quote from: theymos on May 17, 2023, 11:16:25 AM

4: Exempt imgur links from the image proxy as above, but prevent using imgur embedded images in any future posts, to sort of phase it out.

Isn't it the same as option No. 3? How will it work? I mean If I go to my old post and try to edit, will it allow me to save without updating the imgur link? If not then it's another headache for the users and if yes then the same risk of IP leak is there.

So technically speaking, option 3 and 4 aren't the same?

Quote from: theymos on May 17, 2023, 11:16:25 AM

2: Make it so that all past imgur embedded images show up as a clickable link instead of as an embedded image, as if the poster had just posted the imgur link instead of using the [img] tag. I could also maybe make it so that if you click the link, it will JavaScript-expand into an embedded image (using the specified width etc.) without going through the image proxy.

This seems more appropriate solution from all the options presented, convert all the imgur [img] tags to clickable links.
Further I don't know how this "without going through the image proxy" thing will work? I'm afraid it might have a risk of IP leak too, as you mentioned in option 3.

Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on May 17, 2023, 12:42:42 PM

For those who really want their images as it was, they can just use TryNinja's script. Seekers will find their solutions today or tomorrow.

That script is limited to active users only and even among those users, I have doubts that less than 50% will be aware of its existence or actually execute it.

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IMO I'm not sure it should matter as much on what the user can do themselves, some of the users may not even be here anymore.

The forum itself should want the images as they were in the thread, to preserve the historical nature.

I certainly will not be mass-editing my prior posts, with or without a script, so hopefully there will be something that can be done here with one of the options in the OP, even if it doesn't end up the most optimal option for the forum and future readers.

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Quote from: theymos on May 17, 2023, 11:16:25 AM

2: Make it so that all past imgur embedded images show up as a clickable link instead of as an embedded image, as if the poster had just posted the imgur link instead of using the [img] tag. I could also maybe make it so that if you click the link, it will JavaScript-expand into an embedded image (using the specified width etc.) without going through the image proxy.

That's for me and "prevent using imgur embedded images in any future posts".

As an admin the lesser involvement for you is better to avoid any future controversy, although I don't think any controversy is even possible. But there are people, who can bring a serious case out of nothing.

For those who really want their images as it was, they can just use TryNinja's script. Seekers will find their solutions today or tomorrow.

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I voted for option 2 which is turn them into clickable links because thousands of inages had been posted on bitcoin using Imgur hosting service now all those images becomes invalid. For future we can use alternate hosting service which will not affect the users but all the concern is about the posts made in the past.

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Turning Imgur images into links will be the best option in my honest opinion, so I have voted for that. I mean "Do nothing" shouldn't be an option when you have great alternatives with you.
It's crazy like imgur is the only site I used in all of my forum posts to add images, will have to find another reliable option without ads.

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Quote from: theymos on May 17, 2023, 11:16:25 AM

There are a lot of broken imgur links. How do you think this should be resolved? I've come up with these possible solutions:

1: Do nothing. People will have to edit past broken images and use different image-hosting services going forward.

2: Make it so that all past imgur embedded images show up as a clickable link instead of as an embedded image, as if the poster had just posted the imgur link instead of using the [img] tag. I could also maybe make it so that if you click the link, it will JavaScript-expand into an embedded image (using the specified width etc.) without going through the image proxy.

3: Exempt imgur links from the image proxy so they all just work. But this has privacy implications, since imgur will see forum users' IPs. Also, imgur has apparently banned a lot of Tor exit nodes etc. as well, so imgur images won't work for everyone.

4: Exempt imgur links from the image proxy as above, but prevent using imgur embedded images in any future posts, to sort of phase it out.

We never know what additional restrictions Imgur may impose on us and therefore, I believe that we should avoid using it in our future posts.
My ideal choice would be to exempt the previous posts and restrict the use of Imgur for future posts.
Fortunately, we have Talkimg by Joker_Josue, which is an excellent alternative for hosting images.
Additionally, the script by TryNinja has helped many of us to replace our existing images with the ones hosted on Talkimg.
So we do have that option as well for the previous posts.

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