Topic: [POLL] Should Bitcointalk moderate what coins can be posted in the ANN section ? - page 2. (Read 2356 times)

wow interesting the votes have been evening out.. when i posted it was was more NO than yes.

if you guy missed this can you vote please ? I am curious what the community thinks overall.

So long as we remain civil, I'd be happy to have an actual discussion. One thing that I find very odd here is how people use the word scam. Normally, I'd apply the term if a dev offered an ipo, then kept the money and ran off. Or if there was a premine meant for promotion, and the dev pocketed it. Those are scams.

But very often people here shout out 'scamcoin', and apply it to almost anything.

A meme coin with a reasonable 1% premine. Scam! The coin has no unique features.

It's a bad idea, and probably a waste of a coin, but to me it's not a scam.

Nation coins -- which to many here are complete scams. I will agree that the devs certainly could pocket the premines and walk off. But I disagree calling them scams until an actual scam is committed. By deciding to ddos pools/wreck the coin, it's the same as saying -- hey, my neighbor looks shady... he has a lot of nice stuff he shouldn't have... let's burn down his house just to make sure he's not stealing anything!

So to me, the word scam is overused here. Where it does apply, however, and where it is a problem, is with exchanges.

Junk coins,  scamcoins, or whatever you want to call them, are not the reason btc has decreased in value. It was Gox. The more exchanges that go under and steal/lose coins, the less confidence people will have in crytpos on general. What did we lose in the past month or so, three alt exchanges in a row? Along with people's coins, and probably many won't bother investing in cryptos again. That is the real problem.

ok well sorry then.
can we just carry on with the topic and not about me please.
i usually picture like an American presidential debate on forum topics..
that is my perspective.. i chose to post my view or an angle etc and then i hope other will do the same.
i am dead serious when i say if someone comes along and posts a piece of info that is compelling enough i will as always flip flop on my opinion on the spot.
i highly value everyones input and what makes me any degree of smart is the fact that i am willing to relearn anything and try and listen objectively to people.
so.. by all means convince me ..change my mind on this issue guys.

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In case some of you don't know i was last year butting heads with BitcoinEXpress way back when he had made some statements about forking some coins..
I thought back then he was out of line. Over some time i came to the conclusion he did and agree with him and ever since.
So yeah guys i sure as hell see what your saying .. i used to be one of you !
But my almost one year in crypto has drastically changed my view on things.

i also have been an voracious advocate of file sharing in P2P circles and defend the right to share files (aka piracy)
Other names i use online often have a Pirate Party of Canada logo lol
I mention that because i have been butting heads and debating piracy with copyright trolls for a decade or two.
I see a clear difference between some healthy debate and just mud slinging..

The only thing personal I said was that you agreed with those who wanted to fork and wreck coins. I didn't say a word about you personally, troll or insult you.

And I am not a dev. I haven't even been here very long ... I'd be considered a newbie by you, someone who needs protection from evil scam coins.

And if someone posts what you perceive as a scam coin, you can stop them. Post about it, post in their threads, educate people. Also keep in mind that your perception of what a scam coin is, may be simply wrong too.

how many coins have you posted here ? None ?

well then what coins have you mined or traded ?

your behavior makes you transparent i think.. you must be making a living on flash mining every scam coin that gets posted hourly..
otherwise you would not be on a mission to discredit anyone that opposes your view and guess what ?
My views stand on their own solid it doesn't matter what i think or do or say.. they stand on their own.
As Gavin Anderson said before about Satoshi.. he doesn't care whether the person is good or evil if they got a good idea then fine.. great.
So yeah by all means keep bending over backwards *trying to attack and discredit me all you want guys i laugh my ass off at you and carry on..
you Trolls are insignificant.. your follow along on every topic and try as you might, attack me or others and create diversions etc but
since you refuse to actually debate any of the topics at hand you contribute nothing what so ever and there for are not effective in any way at all in stopping us.
your spinning your wheels going nowhere while i convince more and more people to stand up to you scammer bullshit.

you were free to address what i said but you chose to make this personal in the reply i just quoted.
If you disagree then say so.. i'm not stopping you.
i caught you being a hypocrite and pointed it out.. You can post garbage but it's against the law to stop the garbage ?
tell me how that isn't a situation where you demand no rules until i want to stop your coin then you want rules..
then you ignore responding to any assertion i made and change the subject and go after me..

stick to the topic please.

Your completely idiotic and your analogies are completely idiotic. And on a side note I'm sure you'd love a society with no rules so you could go around  extorting people with no consequences.

So much for valuing all opinions and not bickering, I guess?

No

@poornamelessme

i have the right to fork coins it's free market.. why is it ok for you to add some scam coin but i am not allowed to stop them ?
you are being a hypocrite.

and even some minor rules would help things and that is far faaar away from this so called centralization you keeping claiming we are demanding.
No on has asked for that at all and you and one or two other guys keep saying that because your twisting around what we are saying because you refuse to see what we actually said.

A free market is fine but it works both ways.. you can't say well it's only applicable for me to steal money from people but if some guy who gets ripped off kicks your ass
your going to call the cops and say he broke the law attacking me..
I honestly think you supporters are so full of shit your eyes are brown lol
and your going to get tripped up in your broken logic again and again i can assure you

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@crocko
Market saturation.. imagine if we focused together to support a smaller group of coins.. just imagine how much better those would be

I must admit, there are too many coins right now which confuse the miners and don't bring any improvement to the world of crypto .
These coins are created with one purpose in their lifetime: pump and  vigorous dump.
I think the "evolution" will select the valuable ones: VTC, BC, DarkCoin etc. and will discard into oblivion the others.

Doubt that is the issue. If you look at the shitcoin killing thread, there were probably more people against it, than for it. There may be people who dislike junky coins, think there are too many, but do not think centralization is a good idea.  Nor think many of the ideas in that thread as a whole were a good idea -- extortion, forking coins, and the thread itself was started by someone who makes their own shitcoins (hypocriticial to say the least).

And I'm not saying you are for extortion, although more than once I believe you are fine with people forking/wrecking other people's coins. And I don't think anyone here has that right. Why should we let someone else decide for us if we want a coin, or don't want it?

And that is why people vote no, and why I voted no.

If you want to educate people about which coins are worth investing in, knock yourself out. It's a forum, after all.


Completely insane argument. Just let people vote, no need to say nutty things like that.

ya a new forum.. i have thought of that too, it's something we should consider i think.

What if all the devs will go to another forum ? People will follow them because mining for BTC is too hard and they want to play the pump&dump game in order to make a quick buck.

Ya tokyo i thought i'd have your vote lol
you all got what i meant right yes for some added new rules and no leave it as it is right ?

and lunatic i have never been involved in the slightest with any thing extortion related and i find that offensive to say the least.
your other comments and topics are are tsunami of lies and bs. your such a clown lol

i am surprised but maybe there is far more shell accounts here than i realized and i knew there was a lot lol
one or two of these pro coin spammers could prob login to TONS of accounts to vote

You guys think it's fine the way it is or should there be a bit more of a criteria to post a new coin ?
You think i should be able to literally ctrl c and ctrl v a folder and then make a new topic changing the icon and name non stop everyday and that is fine ?
free market blah blah blah ?
by the way there is no such thing as a free market and we ALREADY have rules in every way imaginable so modifying what they are is what i am talking about.
wanna talk about rules ? how about the fact there is a scammer tag rating system many of us are held accountable to
and yet coin scammers are free to hide and create accounts non stop dodging it.. explain that free market crap to me.

You guys realize that if gets too far out of control i bet they will make these changes anyway..
they have already added new restrictions not long ago to the Altcoin section based on user posting what they deem as spam.
and the reason why is because it bloats the database.. something selfish brats and scammers couldn't care less about.
keep adding a grain of sand to a pile and that pile will one day pretty damn big !

I voted yes because i don't think all rules should be abandoned. As a society we need them to function or society would collapse instantly.
Remove all stop signs and stop lights and road lines and markers and see what happens.. Take away every cop on earth and see what happens.
As i said already i think scam coin supporters sound like NAMBLA members.. they demand they have the right to diddle little kids.
So if you all say there should be no rules then i have no choice but to assume you agree with molesting little children or raping women or or or..
A fully free market with no rules is fully free.. you can't go and say oh well i support ripping people off with pyramid schemes but i don't agree with fucking little boys.
It's black or white freedom or not.. you can't have your cake and eat it too, it's not even possible.
So either you support freedom to exploit victims through any means necessary or you don't.. and all i know is i don't support pedo's lol
or taking advantage of the vulnerable and then saying fuck em.. Lambo'z ya'll  

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Is the scammer tag rating system still here now

edit2:
My avatar was the icon posted on the Ubuntu page when some guy with the same name as me hacked Ubuntu's forums last year.
It was not me and i have no idea who did it, i regged my name way before i knew about the other guy.. for example i regged my Steam account name back in like 2005'ish
It was my way of trolling on people to get them to think i was the hacker but it didn't work.. i never met anyone ever that heard of the hacker or the incident LOL

Why vote no if you want more weeding out of the shitcoins?
Fuck the free market. You want to copy capitalism go buy USD.
Seems most here are simply devs scared about losing there shitcoins earnings.

Your Tux has an AK 

You really think you and your fellow extortionists are going to get into a position of power just like that? Fuck you an fuck your centralization.

no. reason being free markets blah blah blah

A better idea would be to have a poll 'thread' where coins could be voted on before being approved?