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February 26, 2014, 04:50:44 AM
#54
Creating a extra sub-forum just for ponzi's could be a good idea I never thought of that.
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I wouldn't count it as 'gambling' more than trading with someone is gambling just cause there's a risk that you lose your money.
And yeah there are waaay too many in the forum section, mainly cause I guess most of them don't last that long, and many are just scams.

Most of them are, but at least if they were in their own separate section with a warning about the high likelihood of deals being a scam, if newbs did get scammed after investing it would be their own fault. I think if they were in their own section most people would just stay out of it and they'd die off eventually.
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February 25, 2014, 10:40:02 PM
#53
The continued presence of all of these is quite disturbing, although I see half of them are being moved to games/rounds.
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February 25, 2014, 07:44:13 PM
#52
Creating a extra sub-forum just for ponzi's could be a good idea I never thought of that.
Where do I sign?
I wouldn't count it as 'gambling' more than trading with someone is gambling just cause there's a risk that you lose your money.
And yeah there are waaay too many in the forum section, mainly cause I guess most of them don't last that long, and many are just scams.
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February 25, 2014, 06:59:24 PM
#51
Most of these meet the notability requirements, so I now completely agree that a new section is needed.
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February 25, 2014, 02:53:12 PM
#50
i think the most controversial ponzi on this site is this coin2x ponzi still a lot of people on that thread is hoping that he will comeback i dunno how much he make for this ponzi

There's always gonna be a lot of people hoping that they'll come back in every thread where someone sends in money.
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February 25, 2014, 02:42:59 PM
#49
i think the most controversial ponzi on this site is this coin2x ponzi still a lot of people on that thread is hoping that he will comeback i dunno how much he make for this ponzi
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February 25, 2014, 10:47:38 AM
#48
regardless of the content of the ponzis, they are breaking the "one site per thread" rule by copy-pasting the scams to new domains almost daily.  

I'm all for "games and rounds" housing them all for now also if making a new sub is too hard.
Hmm... I did not notice that! If it's truly the case that they are buying a domain just to bypass the uniqueness rule, then clearly they are violating that rule. I'll look into this.
Actually most ponzi sites don't even buy hosting/domain. They are on sites like:

*.yolasite.com, *.webs.com, *.byethost.com, *.net84.net, *.1ufh.com

Obviously many are from 1 user. Just check posts like:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ponzi-120-483162
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ponzi-150-5-mins-update-and-2-confo-payment-483633
The posts are literally the same.

Honestly it's really out of hand. The problem is that a ponzi might run for like 10 idiots "investments" and after that no one makes a depo so the owner can run with the money. Then he will have to make a new website/account to keep running his ponzi schemes. Since he has to make a new site every few days he will use free hosting sites.

1) Can you guys at least make a new forum for it? Just call it Ponzi/HYIP?

2) Also could there be a requirement that a Gambling topic at least need an own domain name? No free sub-domain / hosting? That would clear 90% of them and especially the ones that are even scamming and spamming extra hard (not giving any money back.)


I will be happy to report them (like I am reporting others topics too) but the rules are not completely clear for me. At this point I am only reporting them if they don't have a website at all.
More than 50% Ponzi now..

Some don't even have a website (I have reported them but not yet moved to "Games and rounds"), most have a site with free hosting / sub domain that can be made in 5 minutes. Shame the forum is full of these shit sites.

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February 25, 2014, 10:30:26 AM
#47
i think its much better to get rid of all ponzi here a lot of people is losing their money because of this ponzi scheme

A lot of people lose money trying to buy goods on the marketplace too, but we shouldn't ban selling items now. Bottom line is don't send your money to scammers or get rich quick schemes.
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February 25, 2014, 09:38:23 AM
#46
i think its much better to get rid of all ponzi here a lot of people is losing their money because of this ponzi scheme
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February 25, 2014, 06:07:45 AM
#45
Yeah you are right, there ponzi schemes should be deleted and new ones should not be allowed. They are just conning people out of their money. Yes they should know it's a ponzi scheme and should not enter in the first place.
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February 24, 2014, 08:20:57 PM
#44
One thing I've learned through this mtgox scandal is that people are so freaking greedy. Ponzi has to look obviously too good to be true for outsiders but they still throw money at it and are surprised when it fails. Gamble awayyyyyy

Some "work", for a time

Look at ponzi120 or ponzicoin, they got 445BTC and 115BTC of deposits, a guy deposited 64BTC and got 13BTC profit; makebtc reached 100BTC of deposits as well, the owner is taking 5% on every withdrawals so he is making some good money; he most certainly deposited early on as well

Obviously for 2 like those that "work" there are 20 that stop after 2 or 3 days and 60 that sc.am or never really pick up
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February 24, 2014, 07:09:40 PM
#43
One thing I've learned through this mtgox scandal is that people are so freaking greedy. Ponzi has to look obviously too good to be true for outsiders but they still throw money at it and are surprised when it fails. Gamble awayyyyyy
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February 24, 2014, 06:13:51 PM
#42
I think as long as they announce it is a ponzi, it is ok... Perhaps segregating them to a another section, or pushing them to games and rounds...
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February 24, 2014, 05:02:26 PM
#41
Well I doubt admin will do anything, but I will start giving Negative trust to them with a "Possible Scam" Note.
If anyone have problem with that please let me know.

 It's bitcointalk.org not ponzitalk or hyiptalk.

Nobody can stop you, and it's probably a good idea to be honest.
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February 24, 2014, 03:01:24 PM
#40
Half of the offers on the Securities board are Ponzis. A separate Ponzi board will create a false sense of safety.

EDIT Or no wait:

Quote

I will invite more people when i see this working. Hope we can keep it alive for u .
Ponzi iz the man !

Sweet! I GOT PAID !
Now lets wait a few people and invest again
This is fun .

Random Ponzi topic reply. Note the word 'invest'.
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February 24, 2014, 02:47:33 PM
#39

1) Can you guys at least make a new forum for it? Just call it Ponzi/HYIP?


It already exist, but a new playground was added: http://www.talkgold.com/forum/
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February 24, 2014, 11:28:55 AM
#38
I dont like ponzi scheme...I do not know why people do engage in something like that... you can only lose.....

It's always the same reason: greed. People need to realise get rich quick schemes are usually always lose money fast schemes. People also need to learn if it's too good to be true then it probably is rule.
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February 24, 2014, 11:13:04 AM
#37
I dont like ponzi scheme...I do not know why people do engage in something like that... you can only lose.....
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February 24, 2014, 10:38:01 AM
#36
regardless of the content of the ponzis, they are breaking the "one site per thread" rule by copy-pasting the scams to new domains almost daily.  

I'm all for "games and rounds" housing them all for now also if making a new sub is too hard.
Hmm... I did not notice that! If it's truly the case that they are buying a domain just to bypass the uniqueness rule, then clearly they are violating that rule. I'll look into this.
Actually most ponzi sites don't even buy hosting/domain. They are on sites like:

*.yolasite.com, *.webs.com, *.byethost.com, *.net84.net, *.1ufh.com

Obviously many are from 1 user. Just check posts like:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ponzi-120-483162
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ponzi-150-5-mins-update-and-2-confo-payment-483633
The posts are literally the same.

Honestly it's really out of hand. The problem is that a ponzi might run for like 10 idiots "investments" and after that no one makes a depo so the owner can run with the money. Then he will have to make a new website/account to keep running his ponzi schemes. Since he has to make a new site every few days he will use free hosting sites.

1) Can you guys at least make a new forum for it? Just call it Ponzi/HYIP?

2) Also could there be a requirement that a Gambling topic at least need an own domain name? No free sub-domain / hosting? That would clear 90% of them and especially the ones that are even scamming and spamming extra hard (not giving any money back.)


I will be happy to report them (like I am reporting others topics too) but the rules are not completely clear for me. At this point I am only reporting them if they don't have a website at all.
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February 21, 2014, 12:36:01 PM
#35
A lot of ponzi threads have sockpuppet newbie accounts talking to each other, sharing their "payment proof". This can be very misleading.

I think the majority use sock puppet accounts to get the ball rolling and to try provide some "proof" that they actually pay out.

I can confirm that some pay to the end, some pay at first then sca.m (bit4max), almost all stop after 20, 30, 50 or 100 deposits

I'm sure there are a handful that are honest and intend to pay out as long as they can, but most will usually take the money and run at some point, especially when it looks like it's going to fail soon.
Yes, we don't know they are honest or not
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