Topic: Pool Operators - PLEASE BAN & BLOCK GPUMAX getwork/proxy access to your pool - page 3. (Read 13685 times)

well the people "helping the thief" are the ones still buying shares and miners leasing them
the pools that still run exploitable payout systems are the ones leases most often run on

like I said before people don't buy leases to run on Ozcoin anymore (leases are where gpumax make their money) the only thing happening is some miners that use gpumax to manage their miners are using Ozcoin as a backup pool.
as I have pointed out before it is trivial for miners and gpumax to get around bans

I am not helping any thief make money, sorry to dispel illusions
best
Graet

I think the main "persons A" to which you refer are miners. They are paying for a service with GPUMax. This is nothing to do with pool ops, and everything to do with miners. Try to convince the majority of the people you think are thieves - the GPUMax users.

If person A helps a thief (I suppose you can't argue on the fact that pirate -up to now- appears to be a thief, and that GPUMax is owned by pirate, can you?) would you trust person A? I wouldn’t. In fact I'd expect more or less the same from him as well.

Pool operators who accept people's shares through GPUMax, to my understanding, help GPUMax make money (with whatever it is that GPUMax is doing). The same goes for other services as well. I don't know though how hard or easy it is to block GPUMax or for exchanges to not accept coins from pirate's GPUMax' wallet.

How about us, miners, decide what pool to mine on? I'd sure wouldn't mind moving pools, if my pool operator decided not to block GPUMax. Purely democratic; people decide (both operators and miners).

Another point...
Lets not forget that if one steals from a not-so-smart person (like> ) he's still considered a thief, isn't he? (by the way, if people COULD afford to lose their money, would that make it OK for anyone to deceive them? ). Let me take it into another context... If you leave your front door wide open and thieves break into your house, would you consider yourself the only one responsible and wouldn't do anything else?

What I'm saying is that at this point, it doesn't really matter if people were stupid/silly/greedy/anything. What matters is that one person did something completely wrong to a lot of people. This person needs to either correct his mistake or pay for it.

Now, about the going to the authorities part... I think this thread is NOT about people getting their coins back. We discuss about if it's a good idea or not, to NOT help a thief continue with his business and how we could accomplish that.

The best thing to do, in my opinion, is for people to decide to use or not GPUMax.

Graet, please don't see my post as a personal attack on you, as these are by far NOT my intentions. I may disagree with some of your points but that doesn’t change the fact that I recognize you as a respectful member of this community. As already mentioned above, only the fact that you took a stand for your opinion, although you could have quietly done nothing, shows a lot already.

Strawman.

You're not responding to any comments, you're just making up things against which you can argue. Try again?

Hey, don't get me wrong. I think it's great the way that Trendon has screwed over nearly half this forum community and continues to profit off the other half in an attempt to further prove just how stupid people are when it comes to being overpowered by greed.

What's even better is the fact that the same people that call the BTCST Investors IDIOTS for investing in a so-called 'Ponzi' are most of the same ones using GPUMAX ...still today.

Let me put it a bit more bluntly...
The same people that have laughed at many of us for taking it in the ass from Trendon, are the same ones with his balls resting on their chins right now.

I am done vilifying Trendon. He is a genius. If he writes a book, you can bet I will be the first one to purchase an autographed copy.

From now on, not only will I turn a blind eye to Scammers in this community, in regards to their past 'victories' but I will do everything in my power to support them to continue to be a part of this community using the precedent that has been set here today.

It's all OK....I say, 'Scam Away' !

This is ridiculous. I doubt any pro posters apart from D&T even mine.

If you do, start asking the miners not to use GPUMax to proxy their shares. Or provide a better proxying service. Or something. Asking pool operators to ban a service on ideological grounds is a slippery slope.

If you want to show your support for this proposal and you mine, then why not boycott all pools that don't ban GPUMax? If enough miners go back to solo mining you might change their minds. However, I think your time will be better spent convincing miners not to use GPUMax, rather than forcing policing powers on pool operators.

Bitlane, I usually enjoy your vitriol and it's often aimed in directions I find amusing. I do not find it amusing when you when you attempt to slight the character of a man who has done far more for the mining community than you are ever likely to, and has always looked out for his miners and miners in general. Why not direct your rage at all pool ops? Or is it just that you like to pick on victim at a time because it's easier?

I challenge the OP to start a "Miners, don't mine using GPUMax" thread and hash it out with the people using the proxy.

This is such an unnecessarily antagonistic thread. Pool ops have no obligation to do anything about GPUmax, although it would be nice if they would. Same thing with miners. There is no reason to act like Graet or anyone else is some outrageous person for not going out of their way to block it.

Again, nobody is saying you have an obligation to do it. You can just go ahead and do it if you wish, but the rationale is already clear.

If you simply want to leave the choice to users that's just a stance like any other. The only association you may have is that you are knowingly allowing it, that's all. To each his own with the interpretation of that.

Funny how everyone is blasting Graet because he is the only pool operator to actually take a stance

Whereas I have seen none of the others comment in this thread or anywhere else saying they would ban GPUMAX

Users will always find a dealer, so go after the users not the dealers

the United States war on drugs has made that much clear

I am being told I am associated with Pirate because some GPUMAX users mine on my pool as their backup pool when there are no leases running - I am trying to get some clarification of this alleged "association".

I guess some people missed the bit where I explained how easy it was for miners to mine on Ozcoin direct and switch to GPUMAX when a lease started? Making time and effort taken to block GPUMAX wasted anyway.
with respect wouldn't the pools blocking gpumax force them to only mine on their "private pool" would this actually help?

for sometime now when users have complained about stale or "missing" or whatever shares when mining through GPUMAX or any other proxy I have asked them to mine directly on Ozcoin to see if it was a pool issue or not -for those that did issues went away and were not Ozcoin related. Pretty easy to avoid that blame angle I am sure other pool operators have experienced the same

GPUMAX and BS&T are more than merely just "associated" - they're run from the same wallet by the same person. The initial lot of payments from BS&T after it closed down also appear to have been made using funds laundered through GPUMAX in a way that isn't available to normal users of GPUMAX (they were mined on a private pool that wasn't used for anything else, which isn't normally allowed).

Also, people have been seeing shares mysteriously go missing on the way to their pools and someone may mistakenly blame you or the other pool owners for their drop in earnings.

I believe I have already shown the Bitcoin "community" I am.
Defamation/vilification/lies and FUD will not change that

So... you  are not a man of Principals then ?

It's simply a matter of principal.

How many Jews do you know that today proudly drive a VW Beetle ? or perhaps even a Porsche ?

wtf?
another that has never spoken to me nor asked about policies or anything to do with my life just making up stuff...the words you are trying to put onto my mouth are not mine.
I heard lots of stuff about bitlane - but I form my own judgements and don't make up lies about him and post them in the forum ...

still no thread asking miners and gamblers to stop using gpumax - why not target everyone "associated" as you people call it,are the exchanges cooperating and giving "scammed coins" back to scammed people are they not "associated" too? why just pool ops?
easy target for fud?
I would be interested by the meaning you attach to "associated"
associated like a business partner  or associated like a customer and a supermarket?

If there is legal action being taken against GPUMAX LLC I would love to hear from the relevant authorities and on their request will spend the time and resources to block GPUMAX from Ozcoin.
In the past Ozcoin Pooled Mining Pty Ltd has complied with requests from agencies of the law to ban botnets and has assisted users infected by botnets that have contacted us on ways to remove the offending software from the machine with advice to contact local authorities. Even tried to point out the positive aspect of BTC to some.


once again there is no effective way to ban gpumax without playing "whack a mole"
gpumax has barely been leasing, hardly anyone buying shares it is dieing its own death....
If this actually is MNW I just lost the last shred of respect I had for the man.

I will respectfully ask that anyone else wanting to post defamatory comments to PM me with their real name and street address for ease of serving legal papers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

thank you
Graet

It will help changing his attitude and that of his associates. I'd say it's a good idea (and I never put a single coin in any HYIP scam).

As for the London conference and Intersango, these belong to a radically different issue. One thing is a scam, the other was by the looks of it just criminal negligence. Since these people run a registered business that's fully responsible for all their operations, normal legal procedures apply. Don't look there for justification. Also, if you choose to boycott the London Conference that's also respectable, many have done so.

That's why it would be preferable to have pools banning GPUMAX miners, because there are too many lazy bastards out there who simply won't bother doing anything at all.  I'd rather turn my rig off to be honest, than to mine for Pirate. Especially if profitability is so low it's not worth even dedicating 5 minutes changing the miner's config.

How is this going to help you get your BTC and how little profit do you think GPUMAX generate ?

I support your cause but As a GPUMAX miner,,, Moving my miners to another pool = to much work, and at this time of low profitability, I do not even bother reviving dead rig within a week or so.

I promise to move elsewhere once I get my ASICs.

In the meanwhile,  The same could be said of anyone attending the London conference, or using Intersango exchange.

why dont you leave bitcoin because it is used for scamming?
why do you use fiat - its also used by scammers?
do you want to grocery to not sell food to scammers?

if no: whats your point again?