Topic: Pope Francis: parents can smack their children for bad behaviour - page 2. (Read 1807 times)

Just refer back to your response #1 to me.I had to get to your level.

ROFL! Yes, of course I'm against the brainwashing and subjugation of an entire species in the name of an invisible god aren't you? Oh wait, of course not, especially considering the level of response you just gave then. Respect is a two way thing, if you think that being beaten up and doing what that person tells you is respect then you have a very broken view of the world. What you're proposing isn't respect as I said, it is just obedience, you don't seem to know what respect actually is which can be clearly seen from the upbringing you've described, oh and if this isn't evidence of psychological damage from being hit as a child I don't know what is.

I think respect can be a very positive thing, but it isn't something that can be enforced, it has to be earned and you do that through reasoning and logic not threats of violence.

GTFO religiophobe. If respect and obedience means killing and stealing to you then its your own fault.

What the fuck does that even mean? Also, your 'value' system seems to revolve around pure obedience, it doesn't seem to matter if you kill people or hurt them just as long as there's someone above in the hierarchy telling you what to do, to me that sounds an awful lot more like animal behaviour than anything children who don't get hit come up with and very much a pack mentality, in this case the alpha male/female is your parents. As I said, I'll settle just for children not killing, stealing or hurting other people, and religious people are such shining examples of all those three things aren't they? Even the fucking commandments are completely against that yet you have people blatantly committing to it as if it's not a big deal.

Technological advancement doesn't mean that you should let go of humane values and become a practical animal.

Considering the shit that our elders have put us through including fucking up the planet, world war 1 and 2, global warming, the idea of religion itself, the fact that they've indebted us to pay for their shit so they can have an easy life and are making it much more difficult for us to earn as a result. I don't see why we 'have' to be respectful towards them in the slightest, but then again, I didn't have it beaten into me as a child that I had to put up with peoples shit just because they're bigger than me when I was little which is all this amounts to in the end.

You guys are like hostages that have been beaten up by terrorists and suddenly start to like them for it for no fucking reason other than "They beat me up so now I respect them" you've had your so called 'respect' and manners beaten into you, these people aren't respectful, they're thugs.

I never witnessed any children questioning about their religious ideas or smacked for this.This mild smacking is for children being disrespectful to elders and teaching them manners.

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My parents spanked me as a child

As a result I now suffer from a psychological condition known as
"Respect for Others"
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You mean obedience don't you? I believe one of the reasons religious morons defend the hitting of children so much is because they hate having their ideas questioned and since their is no way to legitimate prove their ideas are true ( Though science is bit by bit proving everything in the bible is bullshit ) they therefore resort to hitting them whenever they try it. Oh and that whole respect argument is a load of bullshit, respect has to be a two way deal, what they're talking about is obedience, these people are 'obeying' their elders because they're afraid they'll get hit, that's all there is to it.

  
The physical consequences of physical punishment vary, but especially hitting or smacking anywhere around the head may lead to serious injuries, loss of hearing, dislodged neck, death. For one thing, adults often do not have good judgment of the strength they apply.

The emotional consequences also seem to vary a lot, on an individual basis as well as depending on the cultural climate surrounding the child. Certainly nobody other than the child's own parents should be permitted to use physical discipline. There is a lot of horrible evidence from boarding schools etc.

This question of physical discipline in bringing up children was central in a court case in Sweden, against Malaysian parents (physical punishment of children is a criminal offence in Sweden (as also here in Norway)). The couple were found guilty and were given fairly hard prison sentences. Through their detainment, the court case and subsequently there was a lot of writing about it in Malaysia, people arguing for and against physical punishment of children.  

Personally I do not think spanking or hitting children is a good thing at all, the drawbacks are unforseeable and too serious. But one particular internet posting in that debate, from one Roslina Abu Bakar, made me smile; you can view it here! :

http://forum.r-b-v.net/viewtopic.php?p=34346#p34346

  

I'm not a parent myself; I'm a boy 17 but I do believe in mild smacking it may be helpful in good breeding.

Fuck you and fuck the pope.

This idiot keeps saying dumber shit everytime.

I agree with Pope.

Typical parents. When I started using the internet my father was constantly asking me if i'm watching porn because obviously the internet is nothing but porn. 

The strangest thing is that some people (usually from the left side of the scene) have been putting a child on a pedestal, like some untouchable exhibit. You can't bathe your children because, who knows, maybe you're a pedophile. If a child says he doesn't want to do something you can't force him and so on.

That'd be a serious case because he's trying to hurt an animal, I'd pull the twat away in that situation even if he decided to kick and scream lol but like I said, my point is you should only interfere when there's a genuine danger etc. or they're harming someone/something else, anything more is just people trying to enforce their own trivial bullshit. Point is though, you should also explain why that's a bad thing, because otherwise they won't realise, if an adult is just slap happy they won't ever realise what they're doing wrong and will just get utterly terrified and hate their own parents as they get older.

Don't go onto the internet? Stop using your phone so much? Classic complaints and I'm sitting there thinking "Well how the fuck do you know they're playing games all day? They could be researching cryptocurrencies!" my parents always think I'm just sitting at a computer doing fuck all then I start lecturing them about economics and they don't like that trolololool

I didn't mean abuse and it seems we have a similar view. Physical force would be the last resort for me, but I laugh at people who try to condemn parents who hit their children from time to time. I've seen spoiled sadistical brats in my days who deserved a slap in the face, really. When you see a kid pulling your dogs tail you tell him to stop because it hurts and he just laughs at you and does it again you just feel this urge

There's 'physical' force and then there's just blatantly hitting a child, if it was a serious situation I'd restrain them just like you would an adult if they were trying to pick a fight with another, but the amazing thing is, is when you hear about parents hitting a child over disobedience, so if it was over some stupid thing like not cleaning a room ( which some crazy lunatics genuinely think is okay ) then maybe it's better to explain why it's a good idea to clean it instead of just telling them to.

That said, we all have different standards, my room can end up a mess at times especially if I'm doing lots of work, I think the way people react as if it's going to be the end of the fucking world if it's not taken care of is ridiculous though. I can understand getting physical if it was a serious thing ( Hitting like I said is a no go just like with adults ) but I think some people just need to get their fucking priorities straight, as long as your child isn't trying to kill, hurt or steal then that's all you can ask for as far as I'm concerned.

Teaching them about fraud comes later when they're better at talking with you but basically I'm completely against this whole obey or die attitude that a lot of control freak parents seem to have and as usual it's something very consistently found in religion.

My parents did that to me occasionally and I don't blame them. I don't think it happened more than once or twice a year and I know I deserved it. They were telling me to stop doing something and I ignored it just to see what will happen, or because I just didn't feel like listening to them.

You seem to be completely against using physical force towards children, so how would you persuade a kid to stop if talking didn't work?

In all seriousness the funny thing is I see these parents who complain about their children all the time etc. and I'm afraid the majority of the problem really is that parents genuinely don't talk to their children but tell their children what they can and can't do. Parents who use spanking etc. are enforcing obedience, not discipline, the reason being is because that's the only way they can enforce their bullshit in the household only parents who don't have a leg to stand on use assault to get their point across.

I have a big family that of course also has lots of children and when they ever get together there's hardly any drama, children mimic their parents, so if they're acting like total assholes guess who's fault it is? My favourite and most personal ones are parents who blame Video Games etc. for the deaths or them committing murder when those stupid assholes are just sitting in a room watching television because they can't be bothered going to check on their own family.

LOL! Really? Sorry 'bout that. 

I've already stated that they did and I'm fine with it. I think the "rage and emotion" you're sensing is from all the kids I see these days running their parents lives and the parents doing nothing about it.