Topic: Pope Francis: “We are not alone in the Universe.” (Read 6385 times)

On the issue of interspecies war: even if we overcome scarcity of material resources, there will be always scarce goods, that people will want as symbols of social status (yes, most of current consumerism is just about this), like human creations (artistic, new technologies, etc) or high quality services. There always will be Economics, as a science of decisions about scarce goods.
Besides, many wars are about fear, nationalism, pride (for instance, think about the French declaration of war against Prussia in 1870), envy and only secondarily about resources.

Maybe they are Libertarians on a peaceful mission of space exploration, and will will throw them in FEMA camp and torture their naked bodies?  

Francis is risking a trial after his death and ending with his bones removed from his grave and burnt.
Jokes aside, I bet there are a lot of Catholics that are starting to think he is dangerous.

What would be the point there? Just being dicks?

If life exists elsewhere and "some people on Earth" do know, then the question arises, how do they know?

And then it follows that if they can know, it's equally possible for others to know, even others who do not share the same values or principles as the first group of knowers and they'd likely have told someone else...who told someone else.

Knowledge can't exist in a vacuum. If it's a known, then expect it to spread.

Before or even after giving birth? It seems they argue she was a virgen all her life, so if they mean that in phisycal terms, I guess her hymen survived the birth of Jesus.
Poor Joseph, he got her wife impregnated by other and then couldn't touch her ever.
Of course, those are all histories created 100 or 200 years after, to match old profecies. All gospels tell about Jesus brothers and probably he wasn't the oldest.

They won't need to crush us really, Imagine an alien civilization capable of intergalactic or even interstellar space flights they would be so advanced that our intelligence would be scaled in comparison to the same the same as our intelligence is scaled to a worm or even worse a bacteria, I doubt that we would be even worth their time, as there must more interesting stuff in the universe than our puny planet or less than average solar system

Any society able to monitor us should know we're technological laggards in comparison. They've likely gone beyond resource scarcity, so crushing us, I imagine, for most scenarios, is probably trivial (outside, perhaps, any philosophical debates). By the time we find them, we'll probably have moved beyond resource scarcity, too, so outside some type of jellies over their cultural achievements, there's really no reason to be bothering them except to exchange perspectives and advance the art of resource collection and manipulation. I imagine they've found a primary "industry planet" so unimaginably large and dense that they literally hurl planets and moons into the surface of one side to break it apart and keep it on the surface for the automated mining drones.

Or maybe they're struggling with meaningless existence issues still, and have formed some type of goofy gladiator society. I hope they've adopted ridiculous stereotypes to form their Superman Myth around, or maybe they try to mimic our most ridiculous stereotypes and just play with us while they genocide us. You know - like the Black American musclehead stereotype who walks around, MOTHERFUCKING THIS, and MOTHERFUCKING THAT! I'd love that... or they wage wars with ridiculous mechanical monsters like "Flame Belly" or "Laser Dick," where the absurd method of destruction is itself is a form of art for the society. Maybe they'll create drones which are both fun and a fair match, broadcasting the war and permitting us to exist should we manage to come out alive.

Alternately, maybe they're emotional and disappointed to see we are relatively primitive, so they kill us out of spite. ... Err - at any rate, I'd be stunned if they killed us because they thought we could overpower them some time in the future. Would that be something for humanity to be proud of?

We have a far more interesting problem on our own.
How many Jesus were on this planet and how many more will come?

If i told you that there was a species of monkey that would one day be more inteligient and aggresive, and will try to take over the human race. what do you think you would do to that now primitive monkey? same with aliens perhaps extinguish now before we come unhandleable in the distent future.

If there is intelligent life they would view us as nothing but primitive monkeys, let alone take our advice/opinions 

Then we have the question again if every planet has "their" Jesus, the one and only Son of God.

This is a serious discussion and I think it was Teilhard de Chardin who would say yes. He tried to combine theology and rational science and thus worked out that a "Son of God" manifestation would be a necessary evolutionary step in the development of every intelligent species.

I'm not at all religious but I like this guy. First of all, he comes from the "street": he never wanted any big luxuries, used to travel in public transport in Buenos Aires and he even worked as a bouncer at club before becoming a priest. I always disliked the Catholic Church for their ostentatiousness.

Second, he has started to talk openly about some taboo topics like homosexuality and contraception with quite progressive views

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/10688421/Pope-says-Catholic-Church-should-not-dismiss-gay-marriage.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/the-pope/8148944/The-Pope-drops-Catholic-ban-on-condoms-in-historic-shift.html

I find the second point especially relevant as the decades-long ban on contraceptive methods has highly contributed to spreading AIDS and other diseases in the third world.

Is this just pure PR to try to stop the rapid decline of practicing Catholics in the whole world? Maybe, but still I think it's a very good improvement

On a different topic, I think the existence of aliens shouldn't be at all contrary to any religion. If God created people and many other creatures on the Earth, why couldn't he/she have done the same in other planets? Would't these aliens also become immediately "God's creatures"?

I once heard a conspiracy theory that men once landed on the Moon. Oh wait--there are samples of lunar material and plenty of video footage to prove it. Seriously though, it's nice to see the Catholic church at least take some little shuffling steps towards joining the 21st century.

there's a conspiracy theory for everything though. humans will believe anything and everything they want. i don't think i can get fazed by what people think anymore.

The idea that Jesus was an ET in human form has been around for decades (Yes... it's a pre-internet theory)
One detail I remember being told is that he healed seriously sick people by "laying his hands on them", when actually ET Jesus could have had a small high tech device to inject medicine into the patient.

I've never seen convincing proof, but it is an interesting idea.
Do you actually believe his mother Mary was a virgin?

In a lot of places in the universe one cannot live, because there is no heat (0*k) or way too much heat. Even if there is life, how would they reach us? Light only travel 300.000 km/s and the nearest star is more than one light year away.  They would need really advanced technology, primitive (like us) species would not be able to reach us.

So, Jesus is an alien?

Prominent religions like Islam or Christianity did never say we are alone heck you can find reference to angles and other beings that are far from being related to us or out planet, it's the people that are and were in control who used to mislead people for their own gain

We don't know the exact conditions that create life, but all points out to a pure chemical reaction. Some proteins not far from life were obtained in laboratory. With the proper conditions, we would get life.
With billions of planets with water, I think it's impossible to say that the proper conditions wouldn't ever be reunited after a couple of billions of years on many of them. As physicists say, what isn't impossible most necessarily happen, we just have to wait enough time.

It's highly probable and statistically likely that there's life out there, but I don't think it's certain.