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Topic: Pope Francis: “We are not alone in the Universe.” - page 2. (Read 6385 times)

legendary
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Nothing like healthy scepticism and hard evidence
I don't want to say that I don't believe in conspiracies theories, but I'm skeptical about them. Usually, they are created just to show how intelligent his author is, the one that can see the truth where all the rest, ignorant or stupid, can't. Or because the author can't accept that something horrible has a simple explication.
As far as I know, we don't have more than a bunch of theories (string, multidimensional, you name it), without any evidence to support directly them, on what created the big bang.
legendary
Activity: 1145
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And, yes, the universe is looking like very bizarre and mysterious. So much we don't know.

We may not know, but we don't know if that applies to everybody on Earth.

Meaning, there may be some people on Earth who *do* know but aren't telling us.
legendary
Activity: 1455
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Nothing like healthy scepticism and hard evidence
It is impossible that we are alone, as an intelligent species, it's something that was determined statistically.

Even assuming that life needs water, we already statistically know that there are billions of planets like Earth, with (liquid) water. Planets that are not too far or too close to their stars. We found a couple of planets like Earth even if we only discovered a few hundred planets yet. We can't say that 1% of all planets have water, but we would have billions of them, even if the rate was 0.001%. Even if specialists don't have yet a rate for the emergence of life on these kind of planets (we only know the case of Earth with life, so we can't extrapolate a rate) they think it's fair to assume that life most be something very common.

The issue is intelligent life.
We already know why we are intelligent: because of changing climate situations. Our brain almost didn't grow from about 7.5 millions years to about 2.5 millions years. Because it was a period of relative stability on climate conditions. When the climate started to have abrupt changes from drought to plenty of rain, that was a challenge and only the smartest that could adapt survived.
See Matt Grove. Change and variability in Plio-Pleistocene climates: modelling the hominin response. Journal of Archaeological Science, 2011; 38 (11): 3038 DOI: 10.1016/j.jas.2011.07.002 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110921115910.htm (great article)

So, we need planets with water and changing climate conditions, even if not so radical that will extinguish all complex life.

And, yes, the universe is looking like very bizarre and mysterious. So much we don't know.
legendary
Activity: 1764
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Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.

No, there exist a lot more possibilities, which are even MOAR TERRIFYING!!!

Do we live in a simulation, as mentioned upthread? MOAR TERRIFYING!!!

Simulations inside simulations, as in inception? MOAR TERRIFYING!!!

Some of which simulate a whole universe, some only one planet wondering about the Fermi Paradox? MOAR TERRIFYING!!!

"Not only is the universe stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine."? MOAR TERRIFYING!!!
b!z
legendary
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Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
legendary
Activity: 1455
Merit: 1033
Nothing like healthy scepticism and hard evidence
By the way, if this pope said something like this 400 years ago, he would be burnt alive as Giordano Bruno was, for saying much less (that the stars were other suns and that there were other worlds around them).
legendary
Activity: 1455
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Nothing like healthy scepticism and hard evidence
These are wonderful news for NASA. Maybe now the Vatican, with its deep pockets, starts making some contributions to NASA's budget. No problem if there isn't holy water on Mars or Alpha Centauri; in due time, NASA will ship some.
The Vatican probably is thinking that they have to go save our alien brothers from hell. Of course, with all the priests, will also go all the "entrepreneurs" (like Pizarro and Cortez), to help spread the word.
legendary
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great person's great and beautiful words.
sr. member
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i wonder how this seismic shift in the vatican's message has changed their politics? sounds too complicated for me to understand though.
legendary
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Then the next question would be if Jesus as the one and only Son of God only appeared on Earth, and if so, why, or if he appears on all planets.  Huh

In the latter case, the aliens would already be baptized anyway of course.  Cool

oh wow this is a very good point you just made, Christ should have appeared or another being that represented the christian religion, but what happens if they dont have a religion?  What if they dont look exactly alike?

I think the solution to that which the Catholic church has proposed is that the ETs are already "saved" and don't need Christ to appear for them.

But from what I have read about ETs is that although they are spiritual they do not have any religions like we do. Religions are apparently a unique thing from Earth.

There has to be something the beleive in, in order to not have chaos, a civilization will always have a god, the Myans did and every other.  Even the native Americans had the spiritual gods

They believe the Universe in its entirety is an intelligent being, also called Intelligent Infinity, The Source, or "God".
sr. member
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Then the next question would be if Jesus as the one and only Son of God only appeared on Earth, and if so, why, or if he appears on all planets.  Huh

In the latter case, the aliens would already be baptized anyway of course.  Cool

oh wow this is a very good point you just made, Christ should have appeared or another being that represented the christian religion, but what happens if they dont have a religion?  What if they dont look exactly alike?

I think the solution to that which the Catholic church has proposed is that the ETs are already "saved" and don't need Christ to appear for them.

But from what I have read about ETs is that although they are spiritual they do not have any religions like we do. Religions are apparently a unique thing from Earth.

There has to be something the beleive in, in order to not have chaos, a civilization will always have a god, the Myans did and every other.  Even the native Americans had the spiritual gods
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1007
I have read theories that the typical Grey Aliens are not aliens, but rather ourselves in the future, time-traveling back. In their evolution they (we) have lost all ability to experience and express emotions, hence they look and act like robots, and they collect and mess with our DNA to find that thing again that makes us apparently "human".
legendary
Activity: 1145
Merit: 1001
Then the next question would be if Jesus as the one and only Son of God only appeared on Earth, and if so, why, or if he appears on all planets.  Huh

In the latter case, the aliens would already be baptized anyway of course.  Cool

oh wow this is a very good point you just made, Christ should have appeared or another being that represented the christian religion, but what happens if they dont have a religion?  What if they dont look exactly alike?

I think the solution to that which the Catholic church has proposed is that the ETs are already "saved" and don't need Christ to appear for them.

But from what I have read about ETs is that although they are spiritual they do not have any religions like we do. Religions are apparently a unique thing from Earth.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
Then the next question would be if Jesus as the one and only Son of God only appeared on Earth, and if so, why, or if he appears on all planets.  Huh

In the latter case, the aliens would already be baptized anyway of course.  Cool

oh wow this is a very good point you just made, Christ should have appeared or another being that represented the christian religion, but what happens if they dont have a religion?  What if they dont look exactly alike?
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
Rome – In his homily, held this morning in St. Peter’s Square, Pope Francis with great ease and amazement among the faithful present reveals: “Dear brothers, I wanted to tell all of you that we are not alone in the universe. Science has already made ​​so much progress and will most likely soon will know our new brothers and sisters with whom we will exchange a sign of peace. On that day there will be wonder and remember that God is one and watching over us all. ”

http://i-uv.com/pope-francis-we-are-not-alone/

Im starting to think this pope no more then he is saying.  Maybe the governments found something and they wanted to warn them so religious people wont panic and believe god was just fake.  Cause you know how much harm to this world if the faith dissapears.
donator
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Then the next question would be if Jesus as the one and only Son of God only appeared on Earth, and if so, why, or if he appears on all planets.  Huh

In the latter case, the aliens would already be baptized anyway of course.  Cool
Whoa, friend. You're nearing blasphemy. Just like the "head" of all religions, Jesus appeared to all people, but every single one of them rejected His teachings, as well as God. Only a handful of Jews realized Him. Every single pre-European Native had God appear to them in some way, but they all rejected Him and eventually forgot about the whole affair. That's why every single "Jesus-separated" nation had no followers, and why the same's true of Islam, Hinduism, etc. You may be tempted to believe every religion's bullshit just because no isolated nation adopted the religious beliefs of any other nation, but fuck you, that's clearly wrong because Jesus.

It's speculated that in one of the Lost Books, God tried to convert single-celled organisms. It was only out of constant frustration that he decided to make the entirely unique, unable-to-be-genetically-traced humans.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1007
Then the next question would be if Jesus as the one and only Son of God only appeared on Earth, and if so, why, or if he appears on all planets.  Huh

In the latter case, the aliens would already be baptized anyway of course.  Cool
sr. member
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Merit: 250
"We are not alone in the Universe" Is basically the definition of every theistic belief system, it would be news if he'd believe otherwise! He is the frickn Pope, after all!
sr. member
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Does the Vatican accept Bitcoin?
I don't know if Vatican accepts bitcoin ,but i saw on the news that  Father Adaly Rosado Jr. from the Church of St. John the Evangelist in Goshen, NY decided to put a virtual currencies donation button on the parish’s website. Since Pope Francis consider alien our brothers ,he should embrace bitcoin with open arms too.
legendary
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Does the Vatican accept Bitcoin?
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