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Topic: [PoS+PoW] eXocoin [EXO]-gen 2.0- dev. from scratch! Give-Away | Open Beta - page 271. (Read 415634 times)

legendary
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Oh yeah we decided, we had a deal.... but wait.... we can earn more...verba volant... let us have democratic procedure to cancel democratic agreement...  I'm sick of that.

 +1 early-birds have a good chance to sell exocoin like 10000% more expensive in a long run but we are discussing even more preferences. That's mad.  

So how much did you invest before yesterday?

I think the point is that even the dev's have recognized that so many early-birds could easily mean that the other rounds of investment can earn more EXO with less investment and virtually no risk.   I fail to see how people don't think that is a bad idea.   The only way this works under the original plan is if thousands and thousands of people signup for email coins, and exponentially more people buy into the later funding rounds as it looks more 'real' over time.

So what happens if only 900 people sign up for emails, and only another 20-30btc show up for the rest of the funding options.     Well then early birds get shafted with a capital S.    It destroys the trust in trying to support a innovative idea at the ground floor.  We did not get the luxury of walking into a fully developed business plan.  Instead we walked into a half-baked idea about how to do something a little bit better.   It is now much more likely to be realized because a 140+ people threw $600+ at it before the foundation was poured.   

And now the thread is filling up with new people who want to walk in after the roof is on, and pull a chair up to the woodstove and ask for some hot-chocolate?
legendary
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Oh yeah we decided, we had a deal.... but wait.... we can earn more...verba volant... let us have democratic procedure to cancel democratic agreement...  I'm sick of that.

 +1 early-birds have a good chance to sell exocoin like 10000% more expensive in a long run but we are discussing even more preferences. That's mad.  
legendary
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All I have read in this thread leads me to the conclusion: any change in conditions will be bad. Still none knows will the altcrypto's market be here for even several months (so any investor, even miners carry some risk, even email owners are possibly loosing their time and energy for nothing). Also I'm very sad to see so many doublethinking especially these days. Oh yeah we decided, we had a deal.... but wait.... we can earn more...verba volant... let us have democratic procedure to cancel democratic agreement...  I'm sick of that.

+1
full member
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If you want to earn - say, I want to earn. I want to earn more, as much as possible. It is legit.
But for God's sake - do not shoot the breeze about justice, democracy (lol) and freedom. That is not personal message. In fact all this crypto theme is a manuscript for those who can read.
Be a man, be honest. "I want to change the rules because then I will earn more!". Period! And support your point of view you have every right to do this.  
   
sr. member
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i think we can give the 1st round guys (who send to dev team btc address directly!)more percentage exo coin!

they are the people who really take some risk!

As it happens, I used escrow, but I was walking along a tightrope above shark-infested waters at the time, and that was definitely a risky endeavour. Should I get more EXO as a result?
legendary
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einc.io
All I have read in this thread leads me to the conclusion: any change in conditions will be bad. Still none knows will the altcrypto's market be here for even several months (so any investor, even miners carry some risk, even email owners are possibly loosing their time and energy for nothing). Also I'm very sad to see so many doublethinking especially these days. Oh yeah we decided, we had a deal.... but wait.... we can earn more...verba volant... let us have democratic procedure to cancel democratic agreement...  I'm sick of that.

How much BTC did you take out of other coins to support this endeavor before last night?   Regardless of motivation.
full member
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All I have read in this thread leads me to the conclusion: any change in conditions will be bad. Still none knows will the altcrypto's market be here for even several months (so any investor, even miners carry some risk, even email owners are possibly loosing their time and energy for nothing). Also I'm very sad to see so many doublethinking especially these days. Oh yeah we decided, we had a deal.... but wait.... we can earn more...verba volant... let us have democratic procedure to cancel democratic agreement...  I'm sick of that.
legendary
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einc.io
As a full-early investor I of course want the access to this coin at launch.    However, I hope that most of the early birds have more vision than just wanting to take all the coins.

If this coin is going to have a real chance,  the maximum number of people need to feel that they have a shot at this.   I now agree wtih Anon that 50% mining is likely the best balance.    

I think some kind of proportional system as has been discussed is a nice balance.  2nd round investors know they are buying into a much more secured investment.  So that 1.0 ratio early bird,  vs .8 or .75 ratio for the second round etc.  Makes sense?

1st round didn't really take a risk. Escrow was available. With that said, 2nd round and 3rd round won't take a risk either, so I guess there should be some advantage to taking the jump first, which does in a way help peoples resolve jumping in 2nd or 3rd. Even then, why not just have a longer ipo period instead? Why not give non-escrowed investors more percentage than escrowed instead of all this round-about business? Let them put in a higher cap (2btc?). They are the ones who really took a risk. Otherwise It's all somewhat nonsensical and arbitrary devices being used to justify giving larger slices to some and smaller to others. This is what I'm talking about with distribution not getting nearly the amount of thought pre-ipo as it ought to.

So, as the project becomes more "real" with whitepapers/working code, etc, more people will become interested. We can assume more people will invest in each successive investment period so their stake will be smaller. Cutting up the percentages is uneccessary and pointless. IF few invest in the third period, then just drop them into the second period with a slight dilution of those shares. There were better ways to do it, but you didnt think it through. Now the terms are the terms. Don't change anything, except if few invest in 3rd round, drop them into second round, adjust % accordingly and redistribute 3rd round percentage to mining.


I understand where you are coming from but I personally think its a lot more complicated.    And the escrow service does not level the playing field in anyway.  This is why.  

1) I consider the escrow a 'safer' bet.  But there is still risk always
2) Regardless of if you escrowed or directly sent, you choose to take BTC out of something else.  For example, I would have invested in MINT instead with that BTC,  MINT is up 2X what it was when I sent to EXO.  Of course you could have lost value but that is not the point.  The point is vital-funds are currently in stasis and no longer in Play.  There is a tremendous cost to this.   That IS the risk as I see it.
3) The massive amount of initial funding could entirely enable a much stronger coin to be produced.  If I was the dev on a project like this I would consider changing my life immediately and growing the team in the face of such demand.   If everyone played it safe and held back and just waited this coin might never come into existence.  This is the same for many new coins.
4) Essentially from here out its a different game,  the moment a white paper was produced I view the risk as essentially halving.  So in this 'new' climate its easy to forgot what it looked like just last night.  
hero member
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i think we can give the 1st round guys (who send to dev team btc address directly!)more percentage exo coin!

they are the people who really take some risk!

You are kidding me .
member
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i think we can give the 1st round guys (who send to dev team btc address directly!)more percentage exo coin!

they are the people who really take some risk!
nope

haha why?
legendary
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i think we can give the 1st round guys (who send to dev team btc address directly!)more percentage exo coin!

they are the people who really take some risk!
nope
member
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i think we can give the 1st round guys (who send to dev team btc address directly!)more percentage exo coin!

they are the people who really take some risk!
legendary
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legendary
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I dont undestand how to be In the second stage ipo!


wait until he provides an address for it.

Oh ok thanks man!
legendary
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I dont undestand how to be In the second stage ipo!


wait until he provides an address for it.
legendary
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I dont undestand how to be In the second stage ipo!
legendary
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Two choices:

1. Either change the plans we agreed to when entering this IPO and thus give all the coins to me (just as "fair" as giving more to 1st stage investors who now want to change because the applications were different than they expected)

or

2. Use the original plan.

Changing plans because it went differently than we all expected is a sure fire way of having two month of bickering about the fact that you decided to change the rules before you even got started.

I expected things to be different, too, but hey ho, sometimes life isn't what you expect it to be. Smiley

(choose option 1)

I'm afraid Option 1 implies that the coins will have no value at all   Smiley

I know  Grin

But still... to dream
sr. member
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Two choices:

1. Either change the plans we agreed to when entering this IPO and thus give all the coins to me (just as "fair" as giving more to 1st stage investors who now want to change because the applications were different than they expected)

or

2. Use the original plan.

Changing plans because it went differently than we all expected is a sure fire way of having two month of bickering about the fact that you decided to change the rules before you even got started.

I expected things to be different, too, but hey ho, sometimes life isn't what you expect it to be. Smiley

(choose option 1)

I'm afraid Option 1 implies that the coins will have no value at all   Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1010
Two choices:

1. Either change the plans we agreed to when entering this IPO and thus give all the coins to me (just as "fair" as giving more to 1st stage investors who now want to change because the applications were different than they expected)

or

2. Use the original plan.

Changing plans because it went differently than we all expected is a sure fire way of having two month of bickering about the fact that you decided to change the rules before you even got started.

I expected things to be different, too, but hey ho, sometimes life isn't what you expect it to be. Smiley

(choose option 1)
sr. member
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Voting would be the best in this case, democratic voting is the most fair thing to do in this case.

As usual, the question is: who will have the right to vote?

Also, as far as I remember, it is already planned that the early birds will receive more in the (unlikely) event that investing on the 2nd stage is more profitable. Anyhow, I'm against introducing drastic changes to the initial plan (just in case, I'm among the first investors, invested around 1/2 of the max amount).
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