Topic: Posting in forums with moderators who give no smerit? Solutions? - page 2. (Read 2150 times)

I have responded to your questions, you just didn't like the answers. And I'm not really asking you anything new so if you don't feel like debating - don't. The question in my previous post was largely a rhetorical one. It's already been established with reasonable certainty that you can't or won't show us the unmerited good posts, which is the only thing that really matters to me in this whole discussion. I take the merit system seriously, you don't.

Oh ... you're back. Or here anyway who knows with you and fox pup.

It has taken you like 2 days (in my time anyway) to dream up this response and once again ignore my previous questions. Try answering those first then we can discuss further else it just turns into a one sided debate with you not answering anything but just asking me more and more questions. I'm not asking for anything new I am asking for you to reaffirm your previous statements so I know if there is any chance of a sensible conversation. While you're about it show me the stats/evidence to back those up too since you love stats and have 20 other buddies who are stats experts it will be a trivial task.  Then you get to ask me things too.

I prefer to think of it as sending messages to my future self. Future me is somewhat unreliable (he still hasn't done any of the chores I told him to do), but he does trust past me's judgement, and trust is important when dealing with one's past and future selves. Distrusting one's past or future self is a common source of frustration when time travelling.

Foxpup probably bookmarked your posts because you hit 50 in one month. Or time travel.


Of the ~300k merits sent out so far ~12% have been sent between the top 200 merit receivers, which is what your 0.13% seems to be referring to - a fallacy in its own right because you haven't shown why 150k users are supposed to be "eligible". You could also argue that 17% of the 150k users are getting 100% of merits. Is that good or bad?

None of this is evidence of anything. You haven't even been able to provide examples to support your assertions, let alone coherently explain why that's wrong or how "not wrong" should look like.

There is nothing really more to say about merit allocation. I think the evidence is there in this thread for people to understand that is it very subjective and circulated amongst the 0.13% on one sub board to a degree that distorts any real value in the scores.

Can you explain these contrarian views that I have been voicing? - this is different from the playing devils advocate in the ban appeals?

Tell me which parts of suchmoons failed rebuttals of my posts you can completely understand?  Please give a detailed and structured argument that I can consider and decide if the evidence/case provide requires me to reconsider. I am actually a very open minded person.

Are these contrarian views?...

Most pre merit legends are spammers

It is idiotic to assume some of the 99.87% of this board can make posts as good or better than some of the 0.13%.

Or are those views that you share with suchmoon too? Actually I would be interested to hear your views on precisely those two opinions.

I mean I was not really too bothered about continuing this thread as I feel there was enough material for people to review themselves and make up their own minds. However, since I keep seeing more people replying to me then I guess it could be rude to not respond and try to find out what exactly they mean.

@ marlboroza

I'm glad you don't think it looks right.

I was actually surprised as well.  I'm not sure why he gave me that many merits for all those posts--I guess he just likes what I post, but you'd have to ask him for the reason.  I swear to Baphomet that I'm not an alt of Foxpup if that's the implication.  Perhaps he knows I'm looking for Newbie-to-Sr. Member accounts (and some Hero members, too) to give merits to, and he knows I'll distribute the sMerits I get.  Who knows?

You got me with that Rickroll.  I thought that shit went ghost in 2012 or so, and it's not something I'd love to have revived. (lol)

Oh ffs, he's not stalking you.  You're going all over the place giving opinions that are very contrarian and playing devil's advocate in ban appeal threads.  He probably just disagrees with you about some things (and I can completely understand that) and wants to challenge you on what you're writing.  That's part of what a discussion forum is.

Same here.  I just found one post worthy of merit in an Economics thread buried in a shitpost sandwich, but looking for such things gets very tiring very quickly.

I received my first 2 merits today on my god awful new account.  I was a Legendary and got hacked. Anyways...I got my first 2 merits posting in my favorite section Politics & Society. I just posted how i felt about the topic and with no real thought about Merit. Boom 2 Merits. My advice is Enjoy the forum and make some Enjoyable comments with your own thoughts and not about thinking "Merits.

Stop overthinking the merit system

I am really surprised to see this. It just doesn't feel right.

I did some digging on both The Pharmacist and Foxpup accounts. It took me several hours and I can't step over it. Anyway, thread is in reputation read it if you want.

When someone is recognized already then they are not in any difficult situation to get merits but there are other few people out there making lot of worthy to read post but still not getting enough merits just because they are still not recognized (Means posting outside the meta).

I think this is a flaw in this system but we have no other tool to stop ranking up the spammers.If you have any better idea to control spam then it will be appreciated but don't blame the current working system.

I never said I used a time machine. You just assumed I used a time machine instead of some other means of time travel. I should point out that user's post histories are in chronological order and the posts I merited aren't. Draw whatever conclusions you like.

See what I mean the guy just can't stop himself.... he can't stay away from me.



Okay okay

First before I indulge your requests. Let's clear 2 things up.

1. do you believe " most " pre merit legends are spammers?
2. do you still say that I was incorrect to assume that some of the 99.87% of the board are capable of making posts as good if not better than some made by the 0.13%?

Are you keeping to your original views that most pre merit legends are spammers and  that none of the 99.87% are capable of making posts as good or better than some of the 0.13%

Let me try that for the 6th or 20th time with you first.

Answer those and I will get you some posts worthy of merit (compared to some of the run of the mill low value posts the 0.13% give merit to each other for)that have yet not received any.

Not as ludicrous as you punching your poor straw man for two days non-stop.

Let me try for the 4th or 5th time: show me the good unmerited posts, I'll merit them if they're worthy, and we can both be proud for being part of the solution to this problem. Unless there is no problem or you're not interested in a solution, in which case please disregard this and continue trolling.

The subtle difference is there but that is not what I asked you specifically and not what you replied to. Re- read it again. Here is my question. There is no point trying to change things now.

"Yes or no out  of the remaining 99.87% of the board can some of them make as good or better posts than those in the 0.13%? I mean is it likely or not?"

that was what you replied to

Even so to say there is not unmerrited individuals making posts as good or better than a lot of the redundant shit the top 0.13% get merits for is ludicrous.  However that was not what you were replying to. So stop trying to back step.

Next you'll say "most" pre merit legends just means a few.

@fox

Suchmoon keeps seeking me out. I feel bad ignoring him just because I am not interested .. he puts such effort in it just does not seem charitable. It could be more interesting if he could hold a sensible conversation and not forget things he says every few mins or out right deny them. Then getting angry and annoyed.

You show me evidence of your time machine and I will indulge some of your requests.
The onus is on you really. I mean if i were reading this and viewing the evidence ......would i believe you use a time machine to view the board naturally and treat merit as suggested or would I believe you just open your merit buddies post history and just hammer on the merit button for his posts with hardly having time to find and read them before pressing.
People can draw their own conclusions.

Since you have no interest in talking to suchmoon, I'd advise you to stop doing it. Repeatedly doing things that you have no interest in can be very psychologically stressful. The only one who seems confused here is you.

If we're going to make this a debate, perhaps you would care to present some evidence that those in my "merit club" are in fact my "buddies". I hardly know any of them at all, and there are a few whom I suspect I would greatly dislike if I did get to know them (though I'll refrain from mentioning names to avoid hurting anyone's feelings). I certainly would not call a single one of them my friend.

Good question. If it's nothing to do with you, why do you persist in posting about it?

EDIT: Typo

Very subtle difference there but such an expert as yourself should be able to spot it.


No, the issue is still your extensive use of fallacies to justify your bullshit.

Nobody claims to review all posts nor is that needed. There is no need to review bounty reports and other garbage. There is no need to micromanage the merit system at the level of each individual post. What matters is that in the long run good posters will tend to accumulate more merits than shitposters and that part seems to be working.

Feel free to let us know about those unmerited good posts any time.

This did not escape me.

Foxpup offered up what I consider a reasonable (by meta club standards) explanation regarding time travel.  I accept that here at meta club one needs to adapt to these alternative realities where good posters from a group of 99.87% of the board are akin to unicorns where as within the the 0.13% they are impossible to avoid. Obviously my jealousy over the box of foxpup deadly ass fog must have been clouding my judgement. Nothing to see here.

As ever Foxpup is attentive to the thread and gives it the usual 2 second glance over (which I appreciate could be many eons in his time) and does not notice I have no interest in even talking to suchmoon - he seems to unable to hold a conversation since he forgets he has said things only moments earlier. You're not dragging him around in your time machine are you. Poor guy seems very confused.

Bones can't read either so it becomes difficult to get a sensible conversation going.

loyce just makes random statements then will not provide any evidence or even explanation of what he means.

PT well he just agrees with anything suchmoon incorrectly states.

fox pup well we know he is very generous to his merit club buddies and gives out great prizes (to them) but as yet we have not tested his debating skill. Of course with time travel at his disposal this is going to be very interesting. I am worried about getting on his bad side though he may send suchmoon back in time to when I was more vulnerable. I only ask you put him in those special clothes that don't get burned off in the transition.



So far we have

"most" pre merit legends are spammers

good posters from 99.87% of the board are unicorns.

Take what up with you fox pup? there is nothing to take up. You enjoy giving merit to your friends. You enjoy giving out great prizes. Carry on I don't have an issue with it. If you are enjoying yourselves what is that to do with me?

The issue is claiming merit is some objectively applied reward based on some set of criteria where all posts get equal chance of review. It simply is not that. Nothing more to say.

Fun though discovering new friends along the way.

Can you imagine the shitstorm if cryptohunter found out that The Pharmacist is a member of the Vulpine Order of Merit. Oops, sorry.

Foxes do not perceive time in the same way that humans do. I do not expect you to understand the madness to my method, but the fact is that I (or someone who looks very much like me) really did find these posts naturally while browsing the forum, and there is a perfectly rational explanation involving time travel that is probably beyond your comprehension.

I know that's not as many as 800, but what can I say? I'm just not a very outgoing person, that's all. Most time travellers aren't.

Why are you bothering suchmoon with my merit history anyway? If you've got a problem with it, you can take it up with me.

Yeah but that's gonna take more than 28 seconds

Well, the next time you see a rainbow, you could try running really fast or get in your car to go even faster. When you reach the end of the rainbow, I'm sure you will find them there.