Topic: Posting in forums with moderators who give no smerit? Solutions? - page 3. (Read 2114 times)

Not really, I'm just trying to coerce you into giving up those unicorn unmerited-better-than-0.13% posts that you've been harping on for a few pages.

I'm starting to think that no such thing exists. Looks like I'll have to send those sMerits the old-fashioned way - to the 800 friends.

That would be like asking your math tutor for the answer to the test you have been set.

I will observe closely to see if you are doing well or there is still room for improvement.

Read over this thread a few times and I almost feel confident you will be able to handle it alone in the mid to long term.

Also just worth a small mention... you know how that guy likes to just fire up bitcointalk and open up his buddies list to shoot off a few early morning merits within a few seconds. Well, don't be like that. Don't fire up bitcointalk look for my latest posts and just decide to shoot off a few aggressive comments or some ludicrous fantasies in my direction. Give others a chance to enjoy talking to you. I don't feel you should focus all your positive energy towards me. I mean it will be nice to hear from you now and then of course. This is not a rejection.

I have 50 sMerits I need to send. Since I can't make sense of the merit system can you tell me which posts I should merit?

It is apparent that you're unwilling/unable to face the fact you make ludicrous statements so it is easier for you to deny you made them even though they are there in black and white. That's fine. Ignore my questions/posts directed to you and just jump to other posts you feel more comfortable engaging.

Nothing wrong with opening up your pals post history  and shovelling merits into it every few seconds. Never said there was. That sounds as you say far more fun than naturally reading the forum and meriting good posts that you happen to come across from a wide spectrum of good posters.

No crusade simply assisting you make sense of the merit system.

I don't mind spending time discussing things with you at all but try to remain calm, and be open to changing your opinions if observable events dictate it is required. Also if you say something you later realise is ludicrous do not deny you said it or ignore any later reference to it just say okay I realise that was a crazy thing to say actually and that is no longer my opinion.

Well, it would naturally need some restrictions. If it were to be implemented, it would have to restrict the functionality to Jr members and above to mitigate sybils. Also, I think rather than a merit source having the option to mark something as "bad," it would give the merit source the option to "report to moderator." That way, if someone is trying to pass off insubstantial, off-topic, plagiarized posts etc. of their alt accounts, those posts will get reported to the moderators instead for proper action. If a merit source simply doesn't think a post deserves merit, they can simply mark it as unhandled and move on. Perhaps after x number of merit sources mark the post as unhandled, it will get removed from the queue entirely. Also, perhaps limit an account's ability to use this function to once every 24 hours.
As I stated in my previous post, this probably won't get implemented. It's just a suggested solution. I'm very curious where all these unicorns are hanging out that make really good posts, yet go neglected.

Such shiny goalposts. Are these new by any chance?

Of course there are reasons. Like using the post history page and/or tabs and/or bookmarks and/or any other methods merit sources use to do their job. I guess it's a good sign that this is all you can come up with in your crusade.

 I don’t think it would work. What is there to stop every active user on the forum to report load of posts, getting into the nearly impossible situation where the queue would have a size similar to all the posts being created? (I’ve exaggerated it a notch, but that is what would happen I figure, unless lots of restrictions are set in place to somehow avoid abuse and troll report of candidate posts in large numbers).

Besides, for it to work similar to the regular reports, it would require for the Merit Sources to have a similar uniform criteria: if one proposed post is marked bad (i.e. does not deserve merit), then none of the other Merit Sources could merit it.

Please take your meds then come back and address the previous questions I have already asked you. It is clear to see that you are avoiding them. Your denial of things you have said only moments before is worrying for you I would expect as much as they are for me.
Let's move one step at a time. I think that is the safest method for you.

click this  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5081670.msg48558480#msg48558480 and take your time i know you like to deliberate long and hard over replies.

I am here to help. Remain calm and we will work thought this together. Do you have a blood pressure monitor can you read it and keep me updated because I do not want to be responsible for the board losing such a vital member. That is not a joke I am serious. You know I appreciate your work.

We can move on to your unreasonable explanations for giving out merit every few seconds to the same person after we bring you up to speed with all the other points you have left hanging. Of course there is a legitimate excuse reason why a merit history can look like that. I have no doubt you will be able to explain it all in a way that sounds reasonable and convincing (to you anyway).

I totally agree, 28 seconds is very slow and inefficient. IIRC LoyceV had an example with two merits sent within one second. That surely means he was able to browse, read the post, and decide to merit it within one second. Supermanmeritsource.

You're a fucking delusional lunatic.

This is a very reasonable reply. I of course accept many of the top merit holders are net positive and do good work.



Your merit giving seems quite reasonable and indicates a person that probably browses the boards he likes to visit and sees a good post and merits it. Fair enough.

However when I notice a merit history like this

Today at 13:50:34: 2 to The Pharmacist for Re: account blocked today over a year old and 1500+ posts
Today at 13:50:00: 2 to The Pharmacist for Re: What's happening with Bitcoin losing more than 10 per cent of its value?
Today at 13:49:32: 2 to The Pharmacist for Re: What is this forum for?
Today at 13:49:00: 2 to The Pharmacist for Re: Trust abuse! Injustice! Fake trust by winter! Much butthurt I am!
Today at 13:48:33: 2 to The Pharmacist for Re: Is the new ERA of merit dying again?
Today at 13:47:59: 3 to The Pharmacist for Re: DT1 list alternation: add me on it
Today at 13:47:16: 3 to The Pharmacist for Re: I need merit badly

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Imagine 28 seconds between naturally browsing the board (not searching for your fav merit buddies at all just per chance your machine accidentally flys from you buddies post to his next one deserving more merit) reading the post (in full context of the thread)digesting it deciding on a sensible merit score and then just leaving that thread (cos it got boring after reading merit buddies post) and browsing the board naturally again (not searching for merit buddies)and finding another great post (just pure chance it is same buddy posting again) to read in the middle of a thread reading it and deciding on another senisble merit score. This just happening over and over.

Then they tell me --- if i happen to cross a good post I merit it simple as that. It's not like I just go searching for my merit buddies posts and taking 28 second or 30 seconds average to just plaster more merits to them.

edit  there is a 27 second one too... those 28 second ones are simply inefficient discovery/evaluation/rewarding incidents.


The vast bulk of his merits are given out to a few people.



To be honest though as I have said. I feel merit is working well for reducing negative behaviour and if people like to give some to their friends it's not hurting anyone really i guess.

Some use it more as per the guide theymos has instructed some do not. Either way people get to post their views on this board with equal standing regardless of rank or merit score and each post should be evaluated on the content contain and no weight added for merit score. High merit does not mean you are a better poster than if you have low merit.

Predominantly the fault of spammers and bots but some people are not really treating merit in the spirit others are.


I like your idea actually - could be refined with accuracy so like reporting spam you get accuracy score and the more accurate suggesters for merit worthy posts are put to the top of the pile for review the less accurate don't get reviewed as much or if at all as time progresses.Very good idea I think you should create a poll I would vote for the implementation of it.

Well, what the OP states and your recommendations are very true. I usually avoid the megathreads, since it has a good deal of trash to sift through. There is one exception. That is the Wall Observer thread. And it is no secret that people who frequent Wall Observer posters are part of a clique. After all, most of us have hats as an avatar.
However, in the mean time, before everything starts to even out, many volunteers can point out all these good posts that are being sorely neglected. I will be happy to merit a nice gem and give people the recognition they justly deserve.

edit: Here is another possible solution to the dilemma the op is talking about. (although I doubt it will ever be implemented.):  If someone presses on the +merit, but has no smerit to give, then it gives the user the option to "report to merit sources." This would place the post in some kind of database that all of us merit sources would have access to. It would work similar as the "report to moderator" function. There may be a good deal of "bad" reports. However, with 119 merit sources, we can make short work out of it.

Please go back and reread the entire thread before posting nonsense based upon strawmen you are inventing.

I mean you may want to start with just my first post in this thread actually the first line. I see you must have missed that (along with the other multiple times i have reiterated that sentiment in different ways so all can understand)

No need to change anything about merit as again i have said perhaps 10x it is working well now so long as people don't start creating misleading meanings to their merit scores.

@cryptohunter Instead of bitching about how us merit sources are doing a piss poor job and only meriting people in our clique; please do go out and find some good posters for us to merit. I do my best; however, there is not enough time in the day to read every single post. (I wouldn't even understand the posts in the local boards.) I admit it, I usually stick to boards and threads that happen to be interesting to me. However, I will be happy to merit some neglected posters who are putting out fabulous posts and not getting the recognition that they deserve.

Really that's strange  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5081670.msg48544710#msg48544710  read that then read back on the post you are replying to and the one previous. Was your account compromised by and you never made these posts?

You are going full manic now. Please ensure the correct dose of your meds is being administered to you.

Next you will tell me you never said "most" pre merit legends are spammers. Then stuck to this crazy statement even when called on it.


All just stuff I make up.

I mean between you ignoring questions, swearing and getting angry, and denying you said the things that your account keeps posting it is hard to have a sensible debate.

Well, considering that I never said the above it's probably going to be something new that you'll make up. Here is what I did say on the subject of 99.87%:


So go ahead and post some examples of those users "capable of making posts as good or better" so that we could merit them.


That's gonna be easy. I never sent you any PMs nor am I planning to.

Well, that was a lapsus plumae that actually came out quite nice, but purely unintentional. I’ve reverted it to "span" which was my initial intent (no matter how many times one re-reads before posting, surprises can still often be found ...).

my life story in a nutshell...

Roughly translated

1. i don't want to see my earned merit score revealed to be 90% less after it is demonstrated my pals merit and meta club merits removed.
2. I can't back up my statement that you are using biased data so i'll ignore the question
3. I can't back up my claim of there being flawed logic so i'll skip that bit too.
4. I just say things without thinking and when called on them I have no explanation or reasoning that will stand up to scrutiny.


thanks for your help loyce.

Now when you are finished trying to refute and deflect what simple raw data demonstrates  then you can carry on being net positive to the board which i have not questioned.

My sole point is that high merit does not equal high value poster and low merit does not equal low value poster. It really is not something you can use to say either of those two things. This is just clearly not what you can accept, but let it sink in and stop worrying about it because nothing is going to change (because there is  no need of changing it merit system is working well) and you can have even more merit soon.

Try to stay on topic.

I don't really feel like spending a few hours digging up data, so that you can abuse it to support your claim that Merit from the top200 Merit receivers is some how worth less than Merit from others. As I said before, you're free to dig it up yourself. Or if you're not into that, you can review all my Merited posts (356 (and 2 deleted)) and list the ones that you think don't deserve Merit.
Please come up with some new, solid and complete data instead of asking me to provide data that in my opinion has no value.

 LOL. Please don't waste my  time engaging me in future you simply can not hold a sensible nor logical debate. You avoid my questions that reveal your posts to be blathering nonsense based upon ludicrous and highly improbable fantasy. Yesterday "most" pre merit legends are spammers. Today it is unthinkable some of the 99.87 percent of this board are capable of making posts as good or better than the 0.13 percent.
I can't wait for tomorrow. What will you say next.

I simply said if it takes you this long to avoid answering my questions then do not keep stalking me and replying to my posts. I am assisting you to make sense of the world around you and you swear and curse at me for my trouble. I am almost considering not replying to any of your PM's in future.

@loyce again?

"even worse than merit" - your words not mine. I say it works fine as it is so long as you don't seriously claim in correlates to posting quality.

what is your merit score again once you remove the inner circle votes and meta club merits? please answer or just get back to dumb and dumber and stop with your unsubstantiated fantasies.

Why avoid my question and reply with unrelated jibberish about trust. . I am not addressing the trust system here. Start another thread on that if you wish.

You are unable to accept what is there in black and white.

Using stats in a biased way = presenting data

Present the flawed logic you are claiming exists??