Topic: [PRE-ANN] [ICO] [DST] Presearch: Decentralized Search Engine - page 4. (Read 7729 times)

Hmm. Will the search engine be be accessible by everyone who uses the ethereum blockchain? Like a search bar in their wallet, regardless of what token it is? Is that possible?

I definitely share your views on Google. Way too powerful now, they are essentially steering the course of history by controlling the flow of information. I think a decentralised gatekeeper is long overdue.

Please add more details on your post, it's is better to put one big post here instead of just giving website link like that.
With this kind of post will give a bad impression to the investor.

Hey NewWorldCoiner,

The early private beta of the search tool and user portal is being built on:

Amazon's Web Services Cloud,
LAMP stack,
CodeIgniter PHP framework,
and the web3.js library to communicate with the Ethereum blockchain
Our token is going to be an ERC 20 standard

This stack would definitely not work for the actual search engine, but by the time we get to that stage, hopefully we'll have a significant community of people, much smarter than me and our current team, to make the best choices about how to tackle this massive challenge / opportunity.

At that point, development of the platform and its features will be entirely up to the community of developers who wish to support the project.

Hi 55Domains,

Appreciate the comment. Totally agree with you and love that you brought up the dot com!

This is the first time we've ever not used a dot com for a project.

In our ShopCity.com company, we actually own 8,000 .coms, including ShopBoston.com, ShopNewYork.com, ShopMiami.com, etc. that we are slowly building out in a franchise-like model.

For marketing purposes, if you're not running a .com or the CCTLD, you're at a huge disadvantage. Using anything less for real world marketing leaves you totally dependent on Google. And the leakage for a non-.com can be huge.

The example that stands out to me was when Overstock.com switched to O.co thinking it was shorter and more brandable.

They had to switch back after millions in costs because they were losing something like 60% of their traffic as people assumed it was O.com (which doesn't actually exist - it's reserved by ICANN), and when they went there, nothing appeared so they thought the Overstock site was broken. Oops. Might want to rethink that strategy before you change the name of a stadium in Oakland... ;-)

Anyway, for this project, the .io domain is really only for the project info site.

For whatever reason, using alt-domains doesn't seem to be hurting projects too much in the ICO process at least. I guess because the audience is super-savvy.

When we actually release the public site, it'll be on a .com... I think you'll like the brand we're going to use.

And yes, challenging Google is pretty daunting. You are totally right.

The fact that you and much of the world has that same 'oh shit' reaction (so did we when we got into a fight with them a few years ago), means they have way too much power, and that's really why this project is so important.

People are scared to challenge them because they are so influential and have so much power. It's probably the most centralized power in the whole world, outside of direct military capability by the USA.

As I just mentioned, we actually battled Google back in 2011, and from that experience, where we fortunately escaped their mass penalization of our platform, they indirectly admitted that they manually penalize sites and then they built out a 'manual action' section of Google Webmaster Tools to cover themselves.

Here's a quote: "Stricker, the Google spokesman, said an earlier automated penalty imposed against ShopCity sites by coincidence had expired at that time, but Google imposed another penalty when it received outside complaints about ShopCity sites. Local partners say they still have high hopes for their network."

From here: http://www.mercurynews.com/2011/07/28/local-business-site-challenges-google-ranking/

And if you go into GWT (now called Search Console), then Search Traffic, then Manual Actions, you'll see the section they created after our incident.

That's why we want to take this challenge on, and why we believe that we can actually be successful here.

We've had an internal site for years that does roughly what our public beta site is going to do, and it's received great usage and been very sticky.

It's just something we hacked together though, and to do it properly and build out the proper beta site will take some work. We're plugging away on it right now.

So yeah, we've definitely thought this over, and we think that, together with the decentralization community, we can make a dent here and provide a way to start turning this massive centralization of the Internet around.

We would appreciate the support of anyone reading, and I am going to be living on this forum for the foreseeable future talking with you guys about how to do it.

Let me know if you want to chat further about domains - it's definitely one of my passions.

Im not quite sure what it is with these Start-ups and launches all being on .io, but your putting big rocks in your way by going with anything other then .com, and im not even going to get started on the "presearch".

Seriously No offense intended but, what do you think will happen if (lets be creative and nice and say IF) you get the attention of Google? I wouldnt even want to "try" and imagine where else your going terrible wrong from the get go, Google is not just going to sit there and let you come along Grabbing a share of their Market, And youll be able to do little to nothing because you you underestimated their power and influence by a very.... very.... Very long shot. Your going up against the Probably most influential Company in the world, I personally think you need to think this one over and once done, please start with a .com... .

Question for everyone:

Should we take this post down and start fresh, or just edit the original post?

This wasn't the way it was planned to be announced, but there's been some valuable discussion here.

Appreciate your thoughts... Thanks!

Thank you, NewWorldCoiner! Appreciate you and others looking out for the community.

Well played sir, you handled that well!

Didn't mean to sound harsh, but we see these sorts of announcements all the time. Generally, the poorer they are, the more they look like a scam. Plus, it's getting ridiculous with all these ICO's now, it's not good for the market.

Sounds interesting so far, I'll keep an eye on it.

is this an ETH token ico also ? is the ico to pay for the presearch investigation ?

I have the same question!

Hi baby222,

Yes, it is an ethereum-based token.

Forgive me, but I'm not exactly sure what you mean by the presearch investigation. Could you let me know what you're thinking?

Thanks!

Colin

is this an ETH token ico also ? is the ico to pay for the presearch investigation ?

Thank you, Coin_trader. We will get the information up in this thread ASAP.

Sorry, NewWorldCoiner. Definitely had a mix-up here and certainly didn't intend for this to be our first impression.

You're right, we're definitely new and didn't realize there'd been so many scams...

I've read through a ton of posts for the past few weeks to get the lay of the land, but realize that is nothing compared to those of you who've built this place...

I come from a small town called Midland, in Ontario, Canada...

We locals call people from Toronto who just show up and think they own the place 'citiots'... Sucks that we've come across that way here! :|

I'll get you the exact details on the stack and source code tomorrow morning. I believe I know, but don't want to misspeak and lose more credibility.

Presearch is registered in Canada most of the team is in Canada and the US.

To be clear, this is not an IPO - it's simply a sale of tokens to customers.

We were not planning to hold funds in escrow, but would consider it.

Team tokens cannot be used for 3-6 months.

We recognize that this is a pretty massive undertaking.

We see the first stage being a fairly simple interface that leverages Google and other search engines to minimize resistance to switching to our search field.

I should mention that to start we are targeting desktop searchers, and particularly 'web workers' to start.

Users will be able to earn tokens (DSTs) for using the site (similar to the BAT model) and sharing it / referring people to it.

This stage will also incorporate a basic advertising platform that will enable advertisers to use DSTs to purchase unobtrusive keyword ads.

The next step is building out the full consensus model, enabling the community to guide the direction and features of the platform.

Members will be able to propose, vote on or fund projects, and devs will be compensated for their work, all with DSTs.

Ultimately, we believe the site will become a full search engine with its own index, but at this point there are a number of technologies we're waiting to be developed / proven that we'd need to make it fully decentralized.

To start, we believe that having an open, transparent search engine as an alternative would be a great step toward decentralizing the web.

This will be an open source project, and we can see it spawning a bunch of different search engines as people fork it for different purposes / niches.

At this point, we're looking for feedback and for people to poke holes in the logic so we can iterate.

And yes, we will collect metadata and have discussed a number of ways to make it available to participants.

I really miss the 'olden days' when you could get keyword data that was meaningful, before Google started blocking referrer info and when Google Analytics was Urchin.

Now it's just totally a black box and just about useless.

We'd like to change that and open things up...

Thanks for the great questions! I'll keep you posted on the technical answers.

Colin

Please add details info, such as platform, supply quantity, ICO time and most importantly team developer. Because I'm sure, investors will see a team of developers who can be trusted to invest the money.
Although detail all the information is on the official website, but it would be better if the show in this thread.

Thanks, daddynexxus!

We too feel that it's a worthwhile endeavour. We've experienced firsthand through our other business how much power Google has, and how opaque they are. It's time to switch things up, and we believe we have a way to make it happen.

Prior to discovering cryptocurrency and exchange-traded altcoins a few months ago, I couldn't really see how it would be feasible, but now it's pretty clear to me and my team.

FYI, we're not new to the world of Bitcoin - we just didn't dive as deeply into it as we should have...

Here's an archived version of an announcement we did in 2013 about how we enabled merchants on our ShopCity.com platform to get paid in Bitcoin for instance:

http://web.archive.org/web/20140625225558/http://www.shopcity.com/blog/?postid=10000319

Looking forward to sharing more of our vision and plans with everyone!

Thanks, raven1322!

We'll be posting on www.twitter.com/decentralsearch - not much there yet, but it's coming.

good to hear from you! do you have a twitter handle we can follow?
wish the project a great success!

waiting for more info, the switch from google to this

Hi guys,

Sorry about the shortage of information!

Just uncrossing a couple of wires and will get the post updated shortly.

FYI, I'm the project lead and I'm looking forward to sharing and being part of the community...

Truthfully, I'm late to the party as far as decentralization / altcoins, etc., but have been in the local space for 17 years, wondering where the F all of my libertarian-minded, local-focused peers were...

Turns out you were here talking cryptocurrency and decentralization!

I always figured you needed to make the local marketplace first and then layer on the currency, but it seems like it's the other way around...

Anyway, looking forward to your questions and will do my best to answer...

Thanks!

Colin

the details must be posted here, so that members need not to go to that site to view the details, i can sense that it's a good project but good project must bear those pertinent informations for those who are reading to get an understanding about the project.