Topic: [PRE-ANN][ZEN][Pre-sale] Zennet: Decentralized Supercomputer - Official Thread - page 8. (Read 57089 times)

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let's see this working and then we'll compare it to "legacy" systems.

service, marketability, market presence...ect.

ok, give me another reason.

You mistakenly think price is the only way systems compete.

look again: on a centralized system, the owner will take some fee. why would a VC invest in them otherwise?
here, the system is fully decentralized, and no one takes commissions.
so, a centralized system will fail due to lack of ability to compete.

I can't see how this make any sense at all, not everything runs better or more efficient in a decentralized structure...good luck to you.

1. the coin part is the most un-original part. the computation and market and security etc. parts are the problem.
2. no one will do it for free. on zennet, being decentralized, no one takes any kind of fee. no middlemen at all.

PS note the last comment was edited

Why? This is what I am saying...someone will do this in BTC as a biz. It will launch before you can cause it really is not that much original coding and then investors money will be wasted.

Well, the point is to make it decentralized
And I'm long years in software entrepreneurship, and have no problem with convincing VCs, but I don't think it's the way. Make the switch: I'm not here to scam anyone.

I'm saying this would work much better as a centralized wallet service like changetip that skim the payments or withdrawals to monetize the project. You get the ICO money so I understand you wanting to pursue this direction. You could get VC funding for this biz in BTC I'm sure...maybe head that direction before you waste a lot of people's money.

yes i understand. but why would someone do it over BTC? it'll be so much slow and unacceptable for the renting entities.
it's just impossible to 'do it right' with BTC
also pls note this issue has been discussed here several times, and no one came up with a way to do it with BTC

I edited the post...sry.

if it would be possible to do it over BTC, I'd do it..

Someone is going to do this with BTC and then Zencoin will be worthless. No one wants to convert to BTC then to Zen...BTC wins and this project ends up in the trash can. You should set up a changetip type wallet service and have % withdrawl fee to monetize this project. Use BTC if you want this to be successful.

New introductory video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6ugwS6_DDU

Cool thanks.   

no. good idea.
btw there is an old podcast here http://insidehpc.com/2014/08/radio-free-hpc-looks-xennet-initiative/

Interesting. Any plans for an interview on "Let's talk Bitcoin" podcast?

Very true, but this all happens naturally and side-band to zennet itself, with the exception of zennet offering a facility for a participant to "cry foul" to that "meta-market" community against an established identity in an independently verifiable way.  If I get an insane bill of X or don't get paid what services Y that I bill sanely for, I can have a certificate that it is necessarily the case that the bill in question was for X, and what services in question were Y.  The independent participants of the "meta-market" can look at those certificates and know that is what was attempted to be transacted, and make their own decision about who to trust more and who to ding, if any, in their own local trust metric.  None of this process is a part of zennet itself, but zennet should offer the two tools necessary to do it securely in a decentralized fashion - resource accounting certificates and receipt certificates.

Of course some will point out how it is an "unsolvable problem" just like "double spend" so zennet does something very similar to what btc did, solves it only with probabilistic proofs.  The details are lightly messy, so I'll just refer interested readers to the pricing whitepaper.

Those probabilistic proofs over ledger-of-account are why I <3 bitcoin and the addition of some more probabilistic proof certificates over ledger-of-resource-account are why I will <3 zennet.  Simple.

Anyway, I guess what zennet could never really provide is the combination of both ongoing assurance and immediate elasticity, where AWS can provide this up to their fixed capacity.  Zennet itself has no fixed capacity, and makes no assurances about the types of hardware available at any particular moment.  Of course this is just a trade-off against how many nodes you are willing to trust.  Remember that pricing selections and publisher/provider inclusion (which zennet largely treats as the same problem) are easily handled with some local scripts so you get to decide these conditions yourself.

IMHO the Trusted Publisher/Provider mechanism will make Zennet the ultimate solution even for AWS, from a pure economical point of view. If you have a datacenter, probably the ultimate way to monetize it is over a free and open market.
AWS can have an address on Zennet, set their own prices and configs (the network is very flexible), and give their own assurances.
From pure economical point of view (only?), even Google doesn't have to buy or rent hardware any more if not over Zennet.