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Quote from: emrecemsan on July 07, 2023, 01:36:34 PM

It is hard to make a comparison between Arteta and ten Hag to decide who did a better work in the previous season. I think I will go with Arteta instead by a slight margin. I totally agree that there was a golden opportunity to benefit from. But Arsenal's performance on the final weeks just killed their hopes of becoming the champions. But I still don't want to blame them or Arteta too much for that. Because it is always a difficult task to do while you don't have even a few experienced players in your starting lineup.

A young team have always a potential to mess things up after everything looks great for some time. But this season is still a big progress for Arsenal as they finished as the 2nd in the standings and joined the Champions League finally too.

You could see it two ways I think. On the one hand Arteta did a great job simply because nobody expected Arsenal to be leading the table for so long and they played with a system and repeatedly delivered their best performances on the pitch. When everyone thought that this will end rather sooner than later, Arsenal kept going and I think Arteta did a great job there although it wasn't enough to beat Manchester City.

Ten Haag on the other hand had a difficult start into the season with lots of drama and then the danger that came with Ronaldo being turned into a substitute rather than a regular player. I thought that this could be a dangerous turning point for ten Haag when the team keeps losing several games in a row, but he overcame the trouble with solid decisions and also with consistency in his mindset and in his actions. Both deserved a good finish and also a good assessment for their performances as the managers.

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It is hard to make a comparison between Arteta and ten Hag to decide who did a better work in the previous season. I think I will go with Arteta instead by a slight margin. I totally agree that there was a golden opportunity to benefit from. But Arsenal's performance on the final weeks just killed their hopes of becoming the champions. But I still don't want to blame them or Arteta too much for that. Because it is always a difficult task to do while you don't have even a few experienced players in your starting lineup.

A young team have always a potential to mess things up after everything looks great for some time. But this season is still a big progress for Arsenal as they finished as the 2nd in the standings and joined the Champions League finally too.

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Between Erik Teg Hag and Mikel Arteta who had a better season in the league season?

Teg Hag of Manchester united had a better season than Arteta. As a new coach in the league, he adapted so fast, and brought in his favourite players from Ajax. he was able to finish third and won a trophy in his first season. something Arteta has not done as Arsenal coach, he tried to win the title for Arsenal after 20YEARS, but messed up and bottled the league, with just four games to the end of the league. if you ask I'll say Ten Hag had a better season regardless that Arsenal ended in the second position.

next season, i perceive the both coach to win a trophy and the title.

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Quote from: blue Snow on June 26, 2023, 06:46:36 AM

Look like Manchester City still being favorite in the 2023/2024 session.

Manchester City won EPL in three years consecutively, if the club win this time again, it will make EPL not as competitive as it was before. EPL remain my favorite leave, but I do not like a single club to win all the time. I belong to no club and I like different clubs to win. One of the time I enjoyed the most was when Leicester won the league, but the club has relegated, and now in the championship this season that we are about to start. August 11 is still somehow far though.

Quote from: jakdanyel on July 07, 2023, 03:32:21 AM

I think we should evaluate his success rate thinking of what kind of a team he has been managing so far. Arsenal aren't close to Manchester City's level in squad quality as you know. Arsenal are a very young team and they like to invest into promising players continually. In this case it is quite difficult for them to be competitive for the EPL title every season.

But they still did a great job this season. They led the standings for a long time and became competitive for the title. They just couldn't make it to the finish like that due to lack of experience in the team. However this is still a significant improvement thanks to Arteta.

You only saw Arsenal to have tried, the club team did not try enough, the last time Arsenal won EPL was 2003/2004. That was 9 years ago. It would have been good if the club won last season too, but they fail when the season was about to end.

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Arteta is a really good student of Guardiola indeed. I even started to think that Guardiola's heir at Manchester City will be Arteta in the future. For now both managers are concentrated on their own work at their current teams. Guardiola has reached his ultimate goal with Manchester City as well. Therefore I wonder if he will think of going for new adventures in a couple of years the most.

Arteta is doing a really great job with Arsenal these days. The latest season was a serious level of success for Arsenal I think. They even stayed in the title race for a long time. But due to being a young team they couldn't keep their concentration high on last weeks and lost their title chance.

But this is a solid improvement by Arteta that's for certain. I would like to see him being brought to Manchester City when Guardiola leaves.

Arteta has a long way to go as per achievement before he might even be considered to manage Manchester city.

Besides securing four wins from four Premier League games in November and December. Besides being awarded the Premier League Manager of the Month for a repeated time, What has he really won since he began his role?

His value will be doubled if Arsenal were to replicate their last seasons performance and even win the league. We know how hard it would be this season considering other teams has strenghtened their squad to avoid lapses.

I think we should evaluate his success rate thinking of what kind of a team he has been managing so far. Arsenal aren't close to Manchester City's level in squad quality as you know. Arsenal are a very young team and they like to invest into promising players continually. In this case it is quite difficult for them to be competitive for the EPL title every season.

But they still did a great job this season. They led the standings for a long time and became competitive for the title. They just couldn't make it to the finish like that due to lack of experience in the team. However this is still a significant improvement thanks to Arteta.

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Quote from: asriloni on July 01, 2023, 09:39:13 PM

Arsenal was doing so many crazy things in the current transfer season. I meant arsenal has been buying some new players with very high fees like rice, timber or even havertz from chelsea. I think that this strategy makes sense to be implemented.

Havetz will be going back to old position. There will be lots of rotations that arsenal can use. Jorginho may not be used as starting line up. Timber was replacing white's position.

I have seen arteta used some strategies during last season.

4-3-3, 4-1-41 or even 4-2-3-1.

Arteta may also able to form a new strategy with new compositions. I think that kai and rice gave arteta so many options.

I love this shape, but I really do hope thru blend in quickly and build chemistry before the start of the new season. Mikel Arteta has got work to do with Ramsdale, I don't really like the way he's always launching the ball into the air. LoL. They should learn to build from the back with confidence. ( Ohh Gosh, I envy Brighton a whole lot )
The back four looks solid, Ben White can come in as a substitute, Timber is a big name I want to see him settling in fast. And when they build, it'll be three man defense with Zinchenko joining to support Declan Rice in midfied.

With it, Arsenal would attack more and score more goals, I don't know how energetic Martinelli might be, I would also love to see Trossad starting ahead of him. He does means business whenever he's attacking. Interesting team they have, they'll cook next season.

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Quote from: klidex on July 06, 2023, 02:58:33 PM

Arsenal have indeed changed a lot after joining Arteta, but when we talk about new players taken by Arsenal, we must also remember that the top 5 clubs in the Premier League also have many new players, even like Manchester United and Liverpool.
So the competition for the top 5 or top 4 in the premier league is going to be even tougher and if Arsenal is not able to compete consistently he will lose his title again next season.

Actually, Arsenal are champions in the previous session, but because they didn't focus on their goals, that make them chaotic in the last minutes. Besides that, Arteta is also inexperienced to consistent, His attitude is far away when we talk about skill and management with Pep. Arteta still thinks that Pep is still his mentor, so not confident when facing Pep on the field.

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Quote from: jakdanyel on July 03, 2023, 04:42:47 AM

Arteta is a really good student of Guardiola indeed. I even started to think that Guardiola's heir at Manchester City will be Arteta in the future. For now both managers are concentrated on their own work at their current teams. Guardiola has reached his ultimate goal with Manchester City as well. Therefore I wonder if he will think of going for new adventures in a couple of years the most.

Arteta is doing a really great job with Arsenal these days. The latest season was a serious level of success for Arsenal I think. They even stayed in the title race for a long time. But due to being a young team they couldn't keep their concentration high on last weeks and lost their title chance.

But this is a solid improvement by Arteta that's for certain. I would like to see him being brought to Manchester City when Guardiola leaves.

Arteta has a long way to go as per achievement before he might even be considered to manage Manchester city.
What has he really won since he began his role?

His value will be doubled if Arsenal were to replicate their last seasons performance and even win the league. We know how hard it would be this season considering other teams has strenghtened their squad to avoid lapses.

Arsenal werent in top 4 for a couple or years and since Arteta came to the club he has done big things. He o most won the premier league and gave hope to Arsenal fans finally that they can win a trophy. With the new players that just came in i think they will be in top 4 for sure and maybe even fight for the title again.

Arsenal have indeed changed a lot after joining Arteta, but when we talk about new players taken by Arsenal, we must also remember that the top 5 clubs in the Premier League also have many new players, even like Manchester United and Liverpool.
So the competition for the top 5 or top 4 in the premier league is going to be even tougher and if Arsenal is not able to compete consistently he will lose his title again next season.

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Quote from: jakdanyel on July 03, 2023, 04:42:47 AM

Arteta is a really good student of Guardiola indeed. I even started to think that Guardiola's heir at Manchester City will be Arteta in the future. For now both managers are concentrated on their own work at their current teams. Guardiola has reached his ultimate goal with Manchester City as well. Therefore I wonder if he will think of going for new adventures in a couple of years the most.

Arteta is doing a really great job with Arsenal these days. The latest season was a serious level of success for Arsenal I think. They even stayed in the title race for a long time. But due to being a young team they couldn't keep their concentration high on last weeks and lost their title chance.

But this is a solid improvement by Arteta that's for certain. I would like to see him being brought to Manchester City when Guardiola leaves.

Arteta has a long way to go as per achievement before he might even be considered to manage Manchester city.
What has he really won since he began his role?

His value will be doubled if Arsenal were to replicate their last seasons performance and even win the league. We know how hard it would be this season considering other teams has strenghtened their squad to avoid lapses.

Arsenal werent in top 4 for a couple or years and since Arteta came to the club he has done big things. He o most won the premier league and gave hope to Arsenal fans finally that they can win a trophy. With the new players that just came in i think they will be in top 4 for sure and maybe even fight for the title again.

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Quote from: jakdanyel on July 03, 2023, 04:42:47 AM

Arteta is a really good student of Guardiola indeed. I even started to think that Guardiola's heir at Manchester City will be Arteta in the future. For now both managers are concentrated on their own work at their current teams. Guardiola has reached his ultimate goal with Manchester City as well. Therefore I wonder if he will think of going for new adventures in a couple of years the most.

Arteta is doing a really great job with Arsenal these days. The latest season was a serious level of success for Arsenal I think. They even stayed in the title race for a long time. But due to being a young team they couldn't keep their concentration high on last weeks and lost their title chance.

But this is a solid improvement by Arteta that's for certain. I would like to see him being brought to Manchester City when Guardiola leaves.

Arteta has a long way to go as per achievement before he might even be considered to manage Manchester city.

Besides securing four wins from four Premier League games in November and December. Besides being awarded the Premier League Manager of the Month for a repeated time, What has he really won since he began his role?

His value will be doubled if Arsenal were to replicate their last seasons performance and even win the league. We know how hard it would be this season considering other teams has strenghtened their squad to avoid lapses.

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Quote from: jakdanyel on July 02, 2023, 03:45:30 AM

I think there won't be any other competitor than Real Madrid for Mbappe. Because there hasn't even been a single speculation about an interest by another top team recently. His cost is too much for even rich teams so they also think twice before going for a move. Most of them choose to bring more players in a transfer window to strengthen more than one area by paying a lot less money than that.

except for waiting for Mbappe to complete his contract with PSG so that Mbappe is on a free transfer so that big teams will chase him like Man City and MU, I think they are also interested in getting Mbappe.

out of all the speculation about Mbappe let's get out of this uncertain rumor because I think the premier league without Mbappe still has star players who have good talent like Haaland.

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Looks like manchester united is quite serious to the next 2023/2024 session. They have planing to buy any player to fill up the weak position. maybe because they also play in the champions league so that situation they must buy another player, one of them is Mount which is almost certain to Old Trafford. they are also still hunting attacker from Serie A, Rasmus Hojlund that can add front line, this mean, they have 3 attacker: Rashford, Hojlund, and Antony if deal with Atalanta.

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Arteta is a really good student of Guardiola indeed. I even started to think that Guardiola's heir at Manchester City will be Arteta in the future. For now both managers are concentrated on their own work at their current teams. Guardiola has reached his ultimate goal with Manchester City as well. Therefore I wonder if he will think of going for new adventures in a couple of years the most.

Arteta is doing a really great job with Arsenal these days. The latest season was a serious level of success for Arsenal I think. They even stayed in the title race for a long time. But due to being a young team they couldn't keep their concentration high on last weeks and lost their title chance.

But this is a solid improvement by Arteta that's for certain. I would like to see him being brought to Manchester City when Guardiola leaves.

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Quote from: asriloni on July 01, 2023, 09:39:13 PM

I have seen arteta used some strategies during last season.

4-3-3, 4-1-41 or even 4-2-3-1.

Arteta may also able to form a new strategy with new compositions. I think that kai and rice gave arteta so many options.

Arteta is Pep's student, and Arteta can't change it like the previous session, so that situation, his strategy can be read perfectly by Pep and make the team lose perfectly. As we can see, Arsenal never gets the win in the last 3 matches. And, I can be sure they will be lost again on Community Shield on 6th August next if Arteta uses the same strategy. He needs a major overhaul on the team, at least there is a strategy that pep doesn't know.

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Quote from: Despairo on July 01, 2023, 11:32:39 PM

Arsenal's squad now looks solid since their starting line up and bench players are strong. They have Nketiah and Trossard in attacking position, they have Xhaka, Jorginho and Partey in midfielder,they have Soraes, White, Gabriel and Kiwior in defense position.

Xhaka can leave anytime as leverkusen is interesting in signing him as a new player. The talk is still happening between leverkusen and arsenal but since arsenal has havertz, arsenal has increased xhaka's price.

Quote from: Despairo on July 01, 2023, 11:32:39 PM

It's interesting to see Kai will play in Arsenal, If he play in midfielder he must have good ball possession and accurate pass, I don't see that two skill when he was in Chelsea. But if Kai can't play in attacking midfielder, he can still play as false nine since Saka is good in finishing.

He will be playing in his best position to be behind of striker. He was performing so badly last season with chelsea but he was not playing as central striker. Timo werner has been playing as central striker and havertz was playing behind striker during tuchel's era.
The thing changed when potter was coming in as he was forcing havertz to play as central striker for chelsea which is not his specialization.

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Quote from: len01 on July 02, 2023, 03:02:57 AM

the question is, if indeed Liverpool are able to sign Mbappe with money worth € 300 million after that will Liverpool be able to give Mbappe a salary after spending a lot of money to sign him? I don't doubt Liverpool's finances but here the problem is that Mbappe is the most expensive player and has a very high salary and only certain teams are willing to take risks to get this top player.
from another opinion Liverpool also have to compete with other teams who are after Mbappe and this is what makes uncertain rumors always spread because no team has dared to take Mbappe to be added to the attack line.
But I always keep in mind that nothing is impossible, maybe Liverpool are desperate to sign Mbappe and maybe someone else will get in a bit of trouble.

I think there won't be any other competitor than Real Madrid for Mbappe. Because there hasn't even been a single speculation about an interest by another top team recently. His cost is too much for even rich teams so they also think twice before going for a move. Most of them choose to bring more players in a transfer window to strengthen more than one area by paying a lot less money than that.

I can't imagine how Liverpool would look with Mbappe and Salah in the attacking line playing together. These are both world stars and having this big stars in your team at the same time is always a risk as well. PSG did it great with that trio though but we never know what would happen in a different case.

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Its not fault with fresh Premier League season 2023/2024 discussion thread but less with name teams participants and good ideas is there has vote for the winner Primer League tittle. All Primer League teams have 42 days left before league begin and seems some of team not completed their squad. Manchester United have loss the main goals keeper David De Gea and not getting replacement until three days after De Gea contract expiring.

Promotion Primer League teams season 2023/24 are Burnley, Sheffield United and Luton Twon FC are interested for discussing how capacity keep stay in Primer League or success break until top standing position. But has problem with Luton Twon FC teams because their stadium under standards and have move to other stadium or they have renovation with Kenilworth Road stadium has good capacities or not.

Sheffield United will try their hardest not to return to the championships, they need to buy players but I believe they don't have enough funds to do so, but I am confident they will try their hardest in the premier league next season, they finished second in the championship when they defeated Birmingham 2-1 in their last game, Luton Town FC will still return to the championship, I am not sure if they can play well in the premier league but football is on predictable anything can happen, Burnley is a fantastic club that does well in the championship and wins the League Cup. They will also do well in the Premier League next season.

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Quote from: Sebas.tian on July 02, 2023, 12:07:15 AM

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Have you heard of the news about Liverpool's possible offer for Mbappe in the near future? It is said that Liverpool will offer 300 million euros for him. I think PSG would be really willing to sell him in case there is an offer like that. Because even though PSG have to pay a lot of money to Mbappe in case of selling him early they will still be in a serious profit.

It is much better than letting him go without a transfer fee surely. In this case I assume that Liverpool wouldn't be the only team to make the same offer. Real Madrid have been monitoring his situation for a long time. I would expect them to meet the demands of PSG and Mbappe both undoubtedly.

In this case I don't think Liverpool's chance would be higher to sign him.

Mbappe deserve such offer, if Liverpool management have such amount of money to sign a single player in this summer, I think they will not regret it through out the years mbappe will going to spend with Liverpool because he is among the best strikers in the whole world. If Liverpool management stand on that amount of money, I think PSG management will prefer to release him to Liverpool than Real Madrid, because Mbappe really want to leave PSG so that he can join other teams to shine and achieve a good name at the end of the contract. Mbappe will prefer to join Liverpool than any other teams because he will not look at the money than to look at where he can perform very well in away he will remain the best player in the team which will be very easy for him to get such honor from Liverpool.

the question is, if indeed Liverpool are able to sign Mbappe with money worth € 300 million after that will Liverpool be able to give Mbappe a salary after spending a lot of money to sign him? I don't doubt Liverpool's finances but here the problem is that Mbappe is the most expensive player and has a very high salary and only certain teams are willing to take risks to get this top player.
from another opinion Liverpool also have to compete with other teams who are after Mbappe and this is what makes uncertain rumors always spread because no team has dared to take Mbappe to be added to the attack line.
But I always keep in mind that nothing is impossible, maybe Liverpool are desperate to sign Mbappe and maybe someone else will get in a bit of trouble.

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Its not fault with fresh Premier League season 2023/2024 discussion thread but less with name teams participants and good ideas is there has vote for the winner Primer League tittle. All Primer League teams have 42 days left before league begin and seems some of team not completed their squad. Manchester United have loss the main goals keeper David De Gea and not getting replacement until three days after De Gea contract expiring.

Promotion Primer League teams season 2023/24 are Burnley, Sheffield United and Luton Twon FC are interested for discussing how capacity keep stay in Primer League or success break until top standing position. But has problem with Luton Twon FC teams because their stadium under standards and have move to other stadium or they have renovation with Kenilworth Road stadium has good capacities or not.

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Have you heard of the news about Liverpool's possible offer for Mbappe in the near future? It is said that Liverpool will offer 300 million euros for him. I think PSG would be really willing to sell him in case there is an offer like that. Because even though PSG have to pay a lot of money to Mbappe in case of selling him early they will still be in a serious profit.

It is much better than letting him go without a transfer fee surely. In this case I assume that Liverpool wouldn't be the only team to make the same offer. Real Madrid have been monitoring his situation for a long time. I would expect them to meet the demands of PSG and Mbappe both undoubtedly.

In this case I don't think Liverpool's chance would be higher to sign him.

Mbappe deserve such offer, if Liverpool management have such amount of money to sign a single player in this summer, I think they will not regret it through out the years mbappe will going to spend with Liverpool because he is among the best strikers in the whole world. If Liverpool management stand on that amount of money, I think PSG management will prefer to release him to Liverpool than Real Madrid, because Mbappe really want to leave PSG so that he can join other teams to shine and achieve a good name at the end of the contract. Mbappe will prefer to join Liverpool than any other teams because he will not look at the money than to look at where he can perform very well in away he will remain the best player in the team which will be very easy for him to get such honor from Liverpool.

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