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Have you seen how Hojlund performed today? He had another incredible game!

He scored 2 goals today and continued from where he left.

It is really good to see him finally starting to meet the expectations in the Premier League. Some people are comparing him to Haaland and expect a similar performance to him. But I think that it would be too much to ask. Because we don't see players like Haaland commonly. He is really a special player so it wouldn't be sensible to expect every young and promising player to perform like Haaland at early age.

But Hojlund has really been very consistent for many games. Actually I must include Garnacho's performance also. They have made a pretty good duo lately and this is valuable for Manchester United's recovery. Wink

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Quote from: tusandii on February 18, 2024, 02:06:03 AM

Quote from: Oluwa-btc on February 18, 2024, 12:52:52 AM

Well said but Manchester United has been the only Premier League big side in this Competition to win Chelsea so far this season, you can go redoo your checks and facts.
I loved how they did play yesterday though, with that, I'm sure they could face Liverpool in the Cup Competition Finals and take them down to the full-time without conceding. I would be glad if Chelsea of course can win that game.

With the lose of Tottenham Hotspur yesterday to Wolverampton, Manchester United can make this up and close down the gap and points between them on the standing.
Arsenal are buzzing, love how they're also scoring many goals. I'd love to see them at the top of the Premier League table at the end of the table okce again.

Almost approaching the end of the season with less than 20 games remaining, the Premier League competition has become very interesting because several clubs in the top 5 have experienced strange changes such as Manchester City ending in a draw against Chelsea and Tottenham losing against Wolves and Manchester United managing to beat Chelsea.
I'm not sure whether Chelsea can beat Liverpool because although there is no guarantee that Liverpool will win, in terms of performance, Chelsea is below Liverpool, while Klopp's club is eyeing titles in several competitions to be able to give the best prize before Klopp leaves his club.

Tottenham and Manchester United are only 6 points apart and if MU's performance remains consistent like this, everything will go smoothly because Tottenham seems to be experiencing a decline in performance which makes Tottenham uncontrollable and will definitely affect the club's draw.
There is no need to doubt that Arsenal, this club still has big ambitions to try to aim for the Premier League title this season.

Manchester United's game certainly decreases the gap that they have between Tottenham. But it is still going to be a difference of three points even if Manchester United is able to win the match. But if Manchester United is consistently enough, which is definitely very hard I think they will have a chance to forget ahead of Tottenham. But again the key is consistency. If they are not consistently enough they will not be able to get ahead. In this season Manchester United has not been able to perform very well. But in recent times Manchester United has been pretty good. Probably even better than Tottenham as well. So I believe there is a chance.

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Quote from: Godday on February 17, 2024, 04:29:08 AM

Sorry but I don't understand what you mean. You say you never doubted City would lose their next game against Chelsea, but then you say you were surprised when some people thought Chelsea would win that game?

Sorry, it was just a mistake, and I already corrected it. Thanks for calling my attention to the post.

Quote from: Godday on February 17, 2024, 04:29:08 AM

I'm sure Chelsea will have no chance of winning that game. Even though they managed to win against Crystal Palace in the previous match, I think Chelsea only have a 10% chance of winning that match and that is if City underperform. I think it will be difficult to beat City if KDB and Haaland can appear in that match.

I never expected Chelsea to draw their match against Manchester City. With the way Chelsea have been playing poorly lately, I was expecting the match to be an easy win for Manchester City. Because they are in a tight race fighting for the first position and they have a complete squad, their two key injured players are back, I never expected a draw in the match. Chelsea played well in the match, if not for Chelsea's lack of ability to score goals, they would have won the match.

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Quote from: QueenVera on February 18, 2024, 07:44:22 AM

Well the EPL has always been fun and very competitive as every week it holds a major surprise. We can see how Tottenham who’re in a chase for Top 4 lost at Home to Wolves. That wasn’t expected or needed at this point especially as they’re in a tight chase with Aston Villa and having Manchester United behind them also. Liverpool and Arsenal kept on cruising to victory with both teams dominating their games real well and without stress making a statement to Manchester City.

Man City who fell to a draw to Chelsea even with all the struggles means that some other team is going to suffer for their loss of point because I know they wouldn’t want to let the title chase slip so soon and easily. Manchester United will play away to Luton later today; this match is kind of risky especially when you judge from the fixtures of yesterday as Luton are also in a good form and will be needing a draw to give them a breathing space of relegation zone. I too wouldn’t risk giving my money to Manchester United winning rather I’ll play on about 2 goals and more to be scored in this fixture.

I am not surprised by Tottenham's defeat at home because their performance is no longer consistent and overall they are not as strong as they started this season.
The competition for the top 4 positions is quite fierce, now there are several teams that are on fire like Manchester United and that is quite dangerous for Tottenham, personally I doubt Tottenham can finish in the top 4 positions.

In fact, the big surprise that occurred this week was Manchester City's failure to win at home against Chelsea even though Chelsea were in a very bad state this season, but Manchester City was unable to take advantage of this. This was quite detrimental because Man City had the opportunity to displace Liverpool from the top of the standings.

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Quote from: Baki202 on February 18, 2024, 02:37:10 AM

This season has been different, and a lot of clubs have displayed well in the past few weeks, Even the clubs that started well are now struggling; they have lost consistency. Starting with Brighton, Tottenham, and other clubs, the clubs in the top five are still the ones that made it to the top five last season. and see the way Liverpool won against Brentford it ended 4:1 and Arsenal won 5:0 I was surprised that Manchester City played a drawing game, I was not bothered because I know Manchester City will not agree this league is ours and ours alone and I don't know why we are always drawing Chelsea, in their dream to be able to beat Liverpool, did you see the way Liverpool played yesterday, They did not even give Brentford a chance all they were doing was pressure upon pressure.

And with Manchester United playing against Luton Town, anything about Manchester United can not be predicted because of their condition, and for now, I can make the mistake of even betting on them they are crap and will just spoil my ticket.

Well the EPL has always been fun and very competitive as every week it holds a major surprise. We can see how Tottenham who’re in a chase for Top 4 lost at Home to Wolves. That wasn’t expected or needed at this point especially as they’re in a tight chase with Aston Villa and having Manchester United behind them also. Liverpool and Arsenal kept on cruising to victory with both teams dominating their games real well and without stress making a statement to Manchester City.

Man City who fell to a draw to Chelsea even with all the struggles means that some other team is going to suffer for their loss of point because I know they wouldn’t want to let the title chase slip so soon and easily. Manchester United will play away to Luton later today; this match is kind of risky especially when you judge from the fixtures of yesterday as Luton are also in a good form and will be needing a draw to give them a breathing space of relegation zone. I too wouldn’t risk giving my money to Manchester United winning rather I’ll play on about 2 goals and more to be scored in this fixture.

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Quote from: Godday on February 18, 2024, 01:54:08 AM

Quote from: asriloni on February 17, 2024, 10:21:16 PM

Statistically, chelsea made more shots on target compared to the city. You know what i meant if city was not dominating it even though it has very high ball possessions. If chelsea's players were not so wasteful and it would be also scoring even more than 2 goals.

I saw that chelsea players were getting chances to be 1 on 1 against goal keeper a few times.

This was a truly surprising result because Chelsea unexpectedly managed to hold City to a draw. It seems like a lot of people lost their bets on that match. I also predict City will get an easy win because KDB and Haaland have recovered from injury. But it turned out that Chelsea was able to play solidly.

Since chelsea was using fully defensive strategy against city and i knew that if chelsea will able play better against city. KDB and haaland were good game changers for city but when we are starting to analyze the result from the previous matches when city faced the defensive club and we can conclude that if city found so difficult to won against it.
The same thing was also happening to the chelsea. The main weakness from the offensive team was low block. It's not only you but many bettors were also thinking chelsea had zero chance to win the game against city but im not being denial after i saw the squad and strategy used by chelsea before the match started.

Quote from: Godday on February 18, 2024, 01:54:08 AM

Chelsea could not take advantage of shots on target and convert them into goals. This happened because Chelsea did not have a striker with good finishing abilities. Some times they have very good opportunities but as you said, they like to waste opportunities.

Jackson and sterling are the problem. even though sterling was scoring in this game but he was also so wasteful. I remember the moment when stering was one on one against the goal keeper. I don't know what the problem is but he is missing some golden chances.
All of my credit goes to the enzo and caicedo. Chelsea is starting to pay with very quick counter attack against manchester city. I hope it will continue to perform even better than the match against city.

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Who notice something strange from those two teams yesterday Tottenham and Manchester city make people ticket to cut because people always bet for their favour, but it was a shocked game in the home of Manchester city to struggle to draw game with Chelsea 1:1 and wolves beat Tottenham to achieve victory from the game.

I guess, this is a sign that Chelsea coach has done more work to escape sack letter that is waiting for him if the team continue experiencing poor performance, but based on what happened for Chelsea players to played Manchester city like a weak team to share points with them yesterday prove to people that Chelsea is improving.

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Quote from: Godday on February 17, 2024, 04:29:08 AM

Quote from: Stable090 on February 16, 2024, 09:17:16 AM

I never have any doubt that Manchester City will lose their next match against Chelsea. I am just surprised that some people are thinking Chelsea will win the match. I don’t even know why they think Chelsea might surprise them, I don’t think Chelsea will be able to surprise them in a match like this.

Sorry but I don't understand what you mean. You say you never doubted City would lose their next game against Chelsea, but then you say you were surprised when some people thought Chelsea would win that game?

I'm sure Chelsea will have no chance of winning that game. Even though they managed to win against Crystal Palace in the previous match, I think Chelsea only have a 10% chance of winning that match and that is if City underperform. I think it will be difficult to beat City if KDB and Haaland can appear in that match.

Maybe he means he doubts if Manchester City loses this match against Chelsea because there is no doubt that if Manchester City loses this match because Chelsea is not a tough enough opponent for Chelsea. But if Chelsea is able to beat Manchester City then it will be an unexpect surprise. But in football there are always surprises in it Chelsea sometimes appear tough if their opponent is also tough but appear normal if their opponent is normal because that is what causes them to failed to take advantage of opportunities to winnings.

Chelsea did not win the match but Chelsea managed to hold Manchester City to a draw with a score of 1:1 but what is interesting here is that Chelsea was able to create its first lead in the first half by Raheem Sterling in the 42nd minute and Manchester City was 1 goal behind in the first half, in the second half I thought Manchester City would immediately respond blindly to Chelsea attacking, but unfortunately, many shot were fired Manchester City could only equalize in the 82nd minute and that was the only goal scored by Manchester City KDB and Haaland could not break through Chelsea defense in this match.

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Quote from: tusandii on February 18, 2024, 02:06:03 AM

Almost approaching the end of the season with less than 20 games remaining, the Premier League competition has become very interesting because several clubs in the top 5 have experienced strange changes such as Manchester City ending in a draw against Chelsea and Tottenham losing against Wolves and Manchester United managing to beat Chelsea.
I'm not sure whether Chelsea can beat Liverpool because although there is no guarantee that Liverpool will win, in terms of performance, Chelsea is below Liverpool, while Klopp's club is eyeing titles in several competitions to be able to give the best prize before Klopp leaves his club.

Tottenham and Manchester United are only 6 points apart and if MU's performance remains consistent like this, everything will go smoothly because Tottenham seems to be experiencing a decline in performance which makes Tottenham uncontrollable and will definitely affect the club's draw.
There is no need to doubt that Arsenal, this club still has big ambitions to try to aim for the Premier League title this season.

This season has been different, and a lot of clubs have displayed well in the past few weeks, Even the clubs that started well are now struggling; they have lost consistency. Starting with Brighton, Tottenham, and other clubs, the clubs in the top five are still the ones that made it to the top five last season. and see the way Liverpool won against Brentford it ended 4:1 and Arsenal won 5:0 I was surprised that Manchester City played a drawing game, I was not bothered because I know Manchester City will not agree this league is ours and ours alone and I don't know why we are always drawing Chelsea, in their dream to be able to beat Liverpool, did you see the way Liverpool played yesterday, They did not even give Brentford a chance all they were doing was pressure upon pressure.

And with Manchester United playing against Luton Town, anything about Manchester United can not be predicted because of their condition, and for now, I can make the mistake of even betting on them they are crap and will just spoil my ticket.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on February 18, 2024, 12:52:52 AM

Well said but Manchester United has been the only Premier League big side in this Competition to win Chelsea so far this season, you can go redoo your checks and facts.
I loved how they did play yesterday though, with that, I'm sure they could face Liverpool in the Cup Competition Finals and take them down to the full-time without conceding. I would be glad if Chelsea of course can win that game.

With the lose of Tottenham Hotspur yesterday to Wolverampton, Manchester United can make this up and close down the gap and points between them on the standing.
Arsenal are buzzing, love how they're also scoring many goals. I'd love to see them at the top of the Premier League table at the end of the table okce again.

Almost approaching the end of the season with less than 20 games remaining, the Premier League competition has become very interesting because several clubs in the top 5 have experienced strange changes such as Manchester City ending in draw against Chelsea and Tottenham losing against Wolves and Manchester United managing to beat Chelsea.
I'm not sure whether chelsea can beat Liverpool because although there is no guarantee that Liverpool will win, in terms of performance, Chelsea below Liverpool, while Klopp club eyeing titles in several competitions to be able to give the best prize before Klopp leaves his club.

Tottenham and Manchester United are only 6 points apart and if MU performance remains consistent like this, everything will go smoothly because Tottenham seems to be experiencing decline in performance which makes Tottenham uncontrollable and will definitely affect the club draw.
There no need to doubt that Arsenal, this club still has big ambitions to try aim for Premier League title this season.

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Quote from: asriloni on February 17, 2024, 10:21:16 PM

Statistically, chelsea made more shots on target compared to the city. You know what i meant if city was not dominating it even though it has very high ball possessions. If chelsea's players were not so wasteful and it would be also scoring even more than 2 goals.

I saw that chelsea players were getting chances to be 1 on 1 against goal keeper a few times.

This was a truly surprising result because Chelsea unexpectedly managed to hold City to a draw. It seems like a lot of people lost their bets on that match. I also predict City will get an easy win because KDB and Haaland have recovered from injury. But it turned out that Chelsea was able to play solidly.

Chelsea could not take advantage of shots on target and convert them into goals. This happened because Chelsea did not have a striker with good finishing abilities. Some times they have very good opportunities but as you said, they like to waste opportunities.

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Quote from: Docnaster on February 17, 2024, 10:27:29 AM

From what my understanding of the content of his write up, I think he meant to say that "he has not doubt that doubt that Manchester City will not lose their next match against Chelsea" but probably because of typo error, he didn't correctly type what he intended to type.

That being said, Chelsea have been impressive in all the matches they've played against the traditional big clubs in England since the start of the season as they're yet to lose to any of Liverpool, Arsenal, Manchester United and Manchester City but against Pep Guardiola's Manchester City at the Etihad stadium on later on today, I don't think they stand a chance to get a result in that game. City are currently pushing for the top and would do anything possible to reclaim the top spot of the league table against Chelsea, I expect them to grab all three points from the game

Well said but Manchester United has been the only Premier League big side in this Competition to win Chelsea so far this season, you can go redoo your checks and facts.
I loved how they did play yesterday though, with that, I'm sure they could face Liverpool in the Cup Competition Finals and take them down to the full-time without conceding. I would be glad if Chelsea of course can win that game.

With the lose of Tottenham Hotspur yesterday to Wolverampton, Manchester United can make this up and close down the gap and points between them on the standing.
Arsenal are buzzing, love how they're also scoring many goals. I'd love to see them at the top of the Premier League table at the end of the table okce again.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on February 17, 2024, 06:27:01 PM

Quote from: asriloni on February 17, 2024, 02:28:43 PM

City is always finding it very difficult to score when its opponent used the defensive strategy. I have been watching the game since the first half and this is the main problem owned by a club with fully attacking strategy. The only answer to play defensive strategy against a team like city.

That's not it. They managed to get 31 shots on goal, three times more than Chelsea. You don't see that very often.

City made 31 shots/ 5 on target compared to the chelsea with 9 shots/6 on target. We can get if chelsea had better accuracy in this game compared to the manchester city. Chelsea's players like jackson and sterling were so wasteful in this game. They could score lots of goals if they were not missing it.

Quote from: pawel7777 on February 17, 2024, 06:27:01 PM

They had plenty of chances to score but luck was just not on their side. Haaland himself had like 4 perfect scoring opportunities but failed to convert even once. It happens. If not for the lack of luck, they would've won at least 3-1.

Statistically, chelsea made more shots on target compared to the city. You know what i meant if city was not dominating it even though it has very high ball possessions. If chelsea's players were not so wasteful and it would be also scoring even more than 2 goals.

I saw that chelsea players were getting chances to be 1 on 1 against goal keeper a few times.

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Quote from: asriloni on February 17, 2024, 02:28:43 PM

City is always finding it very difficult to score when its opponent used the defensive strategy. I have been watching the game since the first half and this is the main problem owned by a club with fully attacking strategy. The only answer to play defensive strategy against a team like city.

That's not it. They managed to get 31 shots on goal, three times more than Chelsea. You don't see that very often.
They had plenty of chances to score but luck was just not on their side. Haaland himself had like 4 perfect scoring opportunities but failed to convert even once. It happens. If not for the lack of luck, they would've won at least 3-1.

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Quote from: Republikcoin.com on February 17, 2024, 08:29:17 AM

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Quote from: Stable090 on February 16, 2024, 09:17:16 AM

I never have any doubt that Manchester City will lose their next match against Chelsea. I am just surprised that some people are thinking Chelsea will win the match. I don’t even know why they think Chelsea might surprise them, I don’t think Chelsea will be able to surprise them in a match like this.

Sorry but I don't understand what you mean. You say you never doubted City would lose their next game against Chelsea, but then you say you were surprised when some people thought Chelsea would win that game?

I'm sure Chelsea will have no chance of winning that game. Even though they managed to win against Crystal Palace in the previous match, I think Chelsea only have a 10% chance of winning that match and that is if City underperform. I think it will be difficult to beat City if KDB and Haaland can appear in that match.

That means he won't doubt Manchester City to win the match, I think so.

In football, anything is possible, but we also have to look at it realistically, the strength of both teams, Manchester City is currently in their best performance and they are competing fiercely in the race for the title, while Chelsea is still inconsistent and has not yet found their best performance, so Manchester's chances are clear. City to win the match is very big.

City is always finding it very difficult to score when its opponent used the defensive strategy. I have been watching the game since the first half and this is the main problem owned by a club with fully attacking strategy. The only answer to play defensive strategy against a team like city.
It's not my first time to see that how manchester city was unable to win the game against the parking bus strategy. The most difficult strategy to break. Finally, chelsea gets draw against manchester city which is proving that if chelsea is doing some improvements.
Even though it was not winning the game but it has been successfully stealing point from etihad stadium.

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Quote from: TastyChillySauce00 on February 17, 2024, 02:51:31 AM

that's still remain the most important question. Ten hag has been buying some terrible players in the last transfers and i think that the scouting team was fully responsible here caused by they must also suggest ten hag as a head coach with any possibilities. Buying cheap players didn't mean they were bad.
Ten hag shall put it on his mind that if the cheap players can sometimes offer brighter future compared to the expensive players. It has proven that many times if ten hag was always buying the wrong players. this means that if he must be more careful when buying the new players.

I hope ten hag will be learning from the previous mistakes. It will be so painful if ten hag will repeat the same mistake that happened last seasons. People are hoping a lot to see united back to the its peak performance again.
Yet the goal keeps shall be concerned by recruiting the new goal keeper. Onana was not good enough to play in the main squad. MU needs someone who can play consistently unlike onana which was always making so many blunders that was costing the club so much.

The new goal keeper is a must for manchester united. United is so damn bad with the worst goal keeper like him. Enough is enough to see onana's performance which is always up and down.

Well one major problem Manchester United as a team has was the signed players that just got into the club from the approval Of ETH. These players haven’t been able to perform up to expectation as they haven’t been performing great. One reason is that many feels because of their high price tag, ETH had hope in them that they’ll perform so great and neglected the players that cost low. Well most times those cheap players are more determined than those with a great price tag and that’s one big factor ETH should consider too.

Well repeating same mistake in this new transfer window might not be accepted by the fans of the club.The fans are hoping he rebuilds this team with the rights quality and not pack the team with big names that aren’t able to perform or live up to expectation. Well luckily for united a new management is taking over the recruitments in the club and the fans should he hoping for a change by next season.

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Quote from: Godday on February 17, 2024, 04:29:08 AM

Quote from: Stable090 on February 16, 2024, 09:17:16 AM

I never have any doubt that Manchester City will lose their next match against Chelsea. I am just surprised that some people are thinking Chelsea will win the match. I don’t even know why they think Chelsea might surprise them, I don’t think Chelsea will be able to surprise them in a match like this.

Sorry but I don't understand what you mean. You say you never doubted City would lose their next game against Chelsea, but then you say you were surprised when some people thought Chelsea would win that game?

I'm sure Chelsea will have no chance of winning that game. Even though they managed to win against Crystal Palace in the previous match, I think Chelsea only have a 10% chance of winning that match and that is if City underperform. I think it will be difficult to beat City if KDB and Haaland can appear in that match.

From what my understanding of the content of his write up, I think he meant to say that "he has not doubt that doubt that Manchester City will not lose their next match against Chelsea" but probably because of typo error, he didn't correctly type what he intended to type.

That being said, Chelsea have been impressive in all the matches they've played against the traditional big clubs in England since the start of the season as they're yet to lose to any of Liverpool, Arsenal, Manchester United and Manchester City but against Pep Guardiola's Manchester City at the Etihad stadium on later on today, I don't think they stand a chance to get a result in that game. City are currently pushing for the top and would do anything possible to reclaim the top spot of the league table against Chelsea, I expect them to grab all three points from the game

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Quote from: Kristiyana on February 16, 2024, 12:53:45 PM

Man City during this season has lost 3x, while Chelsea 10x. But, If what is meant is Head-to-head Man City vs Chelsea, it looks like Man City has not been beaten by Chelsea in at least the last 5 matches. But once a draw and another is a victory for Man City. And in the next match, Man City looks like they will win again, although maybe it won't be that easy, but I believe that Man City will be superior.

You forgot to mention that if all of lost happened when city was missing de bruyne. De bruyne has become the top player with most assists last season. We can expect him to give very big impact to the club. Let's not make a comparison how many losses faced by city compared with chelsea.
City would never lose if it was having de bruyne to play the game since the early season. Chelsea was always performing with the full squad since the early season while city didn't. Im assuming that if manchester city would never be lose the game if bruyne played as staring line up.
We have see the big gap in the powers owned by both of clubs. Either of them will dominate the game. im sure it will be manchester city who will be fully dominating the game. Chelsea may be feeling panic when city will be isolating the club by playing only a half of field.
Im sure city will win the game. De bruyne is the key for city to control mid while haaland will be dominating the duel against chelsea's defenders. The smart bettor will pick city. The risk to lose our money on chelsea is very high.

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Quote from: Godday on February 17, 2024, 04:29:08 AM

Quote from: Stable090 on February 16, 2024, 09:17:16 AM

I never have any doubt that Manchester City will lose their next match against Chelsea. I am just surprised that some people are thinking Chelsea will win the match. I don’t even know why they think Chelsea might surprise them, I don’t think Chelsea will be able to surprise them in a match like this.

Sorry but I don't understand what you mean. You say you never doubted City would lose their next game against Chelsea, but then you say you were surprised when some people thought Chelsea would win that game?

I'm sure Chelsea will have no chance of winning that game. Even though they managed to win against Crystal Palace in the previous match, I think Chelsea only have a 10% chance of winning that match and that is if City underperform. I think it will be difficult to beat City if KDB and Haaland can appear in that match.

That means he won't doubt Manchester City to win the match, I think so.

In football, anything is possible, but we also have to look at it realistically, the strength of both teams, Manchester City is currently in their best performance and they are competing fiercely in the race for the title, while Chelsea is still inconsistent and has not yet found their best performance, so Manchester's chances are clear. City to win the match is very big.

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Quote from: Stable090 on February 16, 2024, 09:17:16 AM

I never have any doubt that Manchester City will lose their next match against Chelsea. I am just surprised that some people are thinking Chelsea will win the match. I don’t even know why they think Chelsea might surprise them, I don’t think Chelsea will be able to surprise them in a match like this.

Sorry but I don't understand what you mean. You say you never doubted City would lose their next game against Chelsea, but then you say you were surprised when some people thought Chelsea would win that game?

I'm sure Chelsea will have no chance of winning that game. Even though they managed to win against Crystal Palace in the previous match, I think Chelsea only have a 10% chance of winning that match and that is if City underperform. I think it will be difficult to beat City if KDB and Haaland can appear in that match.

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