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Quote from: blue Snow on July 10, 2023, 07:00:44 PM

I don't know why Harry Kane so grab a big club like Munchen and PSG? is he good to bring Tottenham on top the premier league?.
because Tottenham is very bad in the previous session, That club didn't play on any Europa tournament and there's nothing special about the attacker. And I see Tottenham also proud to reject 70 million Euro from Munchen. Damn, this is the 1st time I see less talented players valued quite expensive in the industry, Bayern shouldn't spend a lot of money, because there are still many talented player which cheap value but good on tournament.

Tottenham don't want to let go of Harry Kane, that's why they keep Harry Kane's market value so high. Bayern Munich tried to sign Harry Kane, but they may have backed off after seeing the market value of 100 million euros because Bayern Munich will never spend 100 million euros on Harry Kane at the moment.
If Tottenham had kept Harry Kane's transfer price between 70 million euros and 80 million euros, Bayern Munich might have bought Harry Kane this season. Bayern Munich should be patient without spending €100m at the moment as next season will see how low Harry Kane's market value has fallen.

If Bayern Munich are unable to sign Harry Kane from Tottenham, they may try to sign another player. Harry Kane's failure to change clubs has been an understatement for his career as the striker has yet to win a Toffee.

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Quote from: blue Snow on July 10, 2023, 07:00:44 PM

I don't know why Harry Kane so grab a big club like Munchen and PSG? is he good to bring Tottenham on top the premier league?.
because Tottenham is very bad in the previous session, That club didn't play on any Europa tournament and there's nothing special about the attacker. And I see Tottenham also proud to reject 70 million Euro from Munchen. Damn, this is the 1st time I see less talented players valued quite expensive in the industry, Bayern shouldn't spend a lot of money, because there are still many talented player which cheap value but good on tournament.

Yeah it can be difficult to get used to this. Players are getting more expensive day by day but there is nothing to do about it. This is an industry and I wouldn't expect this increase in values to stop at some point. Especially rich teams don't care about how much money they need to spend for a player they are following closely.

When it comes to Kane situation he is a really special striker. He is going to be 30 years old soon but he has lost nothing in his finishing skills. That makes him so popular among the biggest European teams no matter how high his value is now.

It is true that Tottenham couldn't achieve any success while they have him. However Kane is still performing incredibly well. I think it is just a problem related to the team. If Kane plays for a stronger team with better players we can see the difference.

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I don't know why Harry Kane so grab a big club like Munchen and PSG? is he good to bring Tottenham on top the premier league?.
because Tottenham is very bad in the previous session, That club didn't play on any Europa tournament and there's nothing special about the attacker. And I see Tottenham also proud to reject 70 million Euro from Munchen. Damn, this is the 1st time I see less talented players valued quite expensive in the industry, Bayern shouldn't spend a lot of money, because there are still many talented player which cheap value but good on tournament.

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Arteta is a really good student of Guardiola indeed. I even started to think that Guardiola's heir at Manchester City will be Arteta in the future. For now both managers are concentrated on their own work at their current teams. Guardiola has reached his ultimate goal with Manchester City as well. Therefore I wonder if he will think of going for new adventures in a couple of years the most.

Arteta is doing a really great job with Arsenal these days. The latest season was a serious level of success for Arsenal I think. They even stayed in the title race for a long time. But due to being a young team they couldn't keep their concentration high on last weeks and lost their title chance.

But this is a solid improvement by Arteta that's for certain. I would like to see him being brought to Manchester City when Guardiola leaves.

Arteta has a long way to go as per achievement before he might even be considered to manage Manchester city.

Besides securing four wins from four Premier League games in November and December. Besides being awarded the Premier League Manager of the Month for a repeated time, What has he really won since he began his role?

His value will be doubled if Arsenal were to replicate their last seasons performance and even win the league. We know how hard it would be this season considering other teams has strenghtened their squad to avoid lapses.

I think we should evaluate his success rate thinking of what kind of a team he has been managing so far. Arsenal aren't close to Manchester City's level in squad quality as you know. Arsenal are a very young team and they like to invest into promising players continually. In this case it is quite difficult for them to be competitive for the EPL title every season.

But they still did a great job this season. They led the standings for a long time and became competitive for the title. They just couldn't make it to the finish like that due to lack of experience in the team. However this is still a significant improvement thanks to Arteta.

Mikel Arteta unlike majority of the English Premier League managers have been on the dugout for only four years as a first team manager but with the progress he's achieved so far with this Arsenal team, it's safe to say that he'll be one of the best managers in few years from now.
Despite his few years of experience in the managerial role, he's made Arsenal a strong Premier League sure that's capable to beat any club in their day. Arsenal just added few players to the side that almost won the English Premier League title last season which I think is a morale booster for the club. Arteta might be very young but his tactical prowess stands him out among his others

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I think we should evaluate his success rate thinking of what kind of a team he has been managing so far. Arsenal aren't close to Manchester City's level in squad quality as you know. Arsenal are a very young team and they like to invest into promising players continually. In this case it is quite difficult for them to be competitive for the EPL title every season.

But they still did a great job this season. They led the standings for a long time and became competitive for the title. They just couldn't make it to the finish like that due to lack of experience in the team. However this is still a significant improvement thanks to Arteta.

You only saw Arsenal to have tried, the club team did not try enough, the last time Arsenal won EPL was 2003/2004. That was 9 years ago. It would have been good if the club won last season too, but they fail when the season was about to end.

9 years ago? I guess there was a typo there. Grin

But yeah there has been a really long time since Arsenal became champions the last time. On the other hand we haven't even seen them as a regular in top 4 in a long while. I mean the last time they finished in top 4 was in the 2015/16 season. Therefore I call it as success for Arsenal about what he did this season.

When it comes to becoming champions in the Premier League they still need to make some changes in the team to make it happen. Changes like bringing some experienced older players. Because there are only 2 active players who are 30+ years old in the squad now.

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Quote from: asriloni on July 01, 2023, 09:39:13 PM

This line up is juicy and all but it is recipe for disaster. I agree that creativity is important and vital, but this cannot be Arsenal main line up going into the new season. Harverts in a midfield 3 with Rice and Odegaard is a line up that works against teams in the bottom league in England football.

In summary, this line up is only excellent on paper. What do i think?
I think Arteta has gotten rice to be Xhaka replacement, Partey remains partey in the line up Harverts an Odegaard replacement and an alternative 8 in situations where 4 midfielders are expected to start. I will highlight the scenairo below

1. Partey Rice Odegaard
2. Partey Harverts Odegaard
3. Partey Rice Odegaard Harverts

What do you think ?

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Quote from: emrecemsan on July 07, 2023, 01:36:34 PM

It is hard to make a comparison between Arteta and ten Hag to decide who did a better work in the previous season. I think I will go with Arteta instead by a slight margin. I totally agree that there was a golden opportunity to benefit from. But Arsenal's performance on the final weeks just killed their hopes of becoming the champions. But I still don't want to blame them or Arteta too much for that. Because it is always a difficult task to do while you don't have even a few experienced players in your starting lineup.

A young team have always a potential to mess things up after everything looks great for some time. But this season is still a big progress for Arsenal as they finished as the 2nd in the standings and joined the Champions League finally too.

You could see it two ways I think. On the one hand Arteta did a great job simply because nobody expected Arsenal to be leading the table for so long and they played with a system and repeatedly delivered their best performances on the pitch. When everyone thought that this will end rather sooner than later, Arsenal kept going and I think Arteta did a great job there although it wasn't enough to beat Manchester City.

Ten Haag on the other hand had a difficult start into the season with lots of drama and then the danger that came with Ronaldo being turned into a substitute rather than a regular player. I thought that this could be a dangerous turning point for ten Haag when the team keeps losing several games in a row, but he overcame the trouble with solid decisions and also with consistency in his mindset and in his actions. Both deserved a good finish and also a good assessment for their performances as the managers.

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It is hard to make a comparison between Arteta and ten Hag to decide who did a better work in the previous season. I think I will go with Arteta instead by a slight margin. I totally agree that there was a golden opportunity to benefit from. But Arsenal's performance on the final weeks just killed their hopes of becoming the champions. But I still don't want to blame them or Arteta too much for that. Because it is always a difficult task to do while you don't have even a few experienced players in your starting lineup.

A young team have always a potential to mess things up after everything looks great for some time. But this season is still a big progress for Arsenal as they finished as the 2nd in the standings and joined the Champions League finally too.

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Between Erik Teg Hag and Mikel Arteta who had a better season in the league season?

Teg Hag of Manchester united had a better season than Arteta. As a new coach in the league, he adapted so fast, and brought in his favourite players from Ajax. he was able to finish third and won a trophy in his first season. something Arteta has not done as Arsenal coach, he tried to win the title for Arsenal after 20YEARS, but messed up and bottled the league, with just four games to the end of the league. if you ask I'll say Ten Hag had a better season regardless that Arsenal ended in the second position.

next season, i perceive the both coach to win a trophy and the title.

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Quote from: blue Snow on June 26, 2023, 06:46:36 AM

Look like Manchester City still being favorite in the 2023/2024 session.

Manchester City won EPL in three years consecutively, if the club win this time again, it will make EPL not as competitive as it was before. EPL remain my favorite leave, but I do not like a single club to win all the time. I belong to no club and I like different clubs to win. One of the time I enjoyed the most was when Leicester won the league, but the club has relegated, and now in the championship this season that we are about to start. August 11 is still somehow far though.

Quote from: jakdanyel on July 07, 2023, 03:32:21 AM

I think we should evaluate his success rate thinking of what kind of a team he has been managing so far. Arsenal aren't close to Manchester City's level in squad quality as you know. Arsenal are a very young team and they like to invest into promising players continually. In this case it is quite difficult for them to be competitive for the EPL title every season.

But they still did a great job this season. They led the standings for a long time and became competitive for the title. They just couldn't make it to the finish like that due to lack of experience in the team. However this is still a significant improvement thanks to Arteta.

You only saw Arsenal to have tried, the club team did not try enough, the last time Arsenal won EPL was 2003/2004. That was 9 years ago. It would have been good if the club won last season too, but they fail when the season was about to end.

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Arteta is a really good student of Guardiola indeed. I even started to think that Guardiola's heir at Manchester City will be Arteta in the future. For now both managers are concentrated on their own work at their current teams. Guardiola has reached his ultimate goal with Manchester City as well. Therefore I wonder if he will think of going for new adventures in a couple of years the most.

Arteta is doing a really great job with Arsenal these days. The latest season was a serious level of success for Arsenal I think. They even stayed in the title race for a long time. But due to being a young team they couldn't keep their concentration high on last weeks and lost their title chance.

But this is a solid improvement by Arteta that's for certain. I would like to see him being brought to Manchester City when Guardiola leaves.

Arteta has a long way to go as per achievement before he might even be considered to manage Manchester city.

Besides securing four wins from four Premier League games in November and December. Besides being awarded the Premier League Manager of the Month for a repeated time, What has he really won since he began his role?

His value will be doubled if Arsenal were to replicate their last seasons performance and even win the league. We know how hard it would be this season considering other teams has strenghtened their squad to avoid lapses.

I think we should evaluate his success rate thinking of what kind of a team he has been managing so far. Arsenal aren't close to Manchester City's level in squad quality as you know. Arsenal are a very young team and they like to invest into promising players continually. In this case it is quite difficult for them to be competitive for the EPL title every season.

But they still did a great job this season. They led the standings for a long time and became competitive for the title. They just couldn't make it to the finish like that due to lack of experience in the team. However this is still a significant improvement thanks to Arteta.

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Quote from: asriloni on July 01, 2023, 09:39:13 PM

Arsenal was doing so many crazy things in the current transfer season. I meant arsenal has been buying some new players with very high fees like rice, timber or even havertz from chelsea. I think that this strategy makes sense to be implemented.

Havetz will be going back to old position. There will be lots of rotations that arsenal can use. Jorginho may not be used as starting line up. Timber was replacing white's position.

I have seen arteta used some strategies during last season.

4-3-3, 4-1-41 or even 4-2-3-1.

Arteta may also able to form a new strategy with new compositions. I think that kai and rice gave arteta so many options.

I love this shape, but I really do hope thru blend in quickly and build chemistry before the start of the new season. Mikel Arteta has got work to do with Ramsdale, I don't really like the way he's always launching the ball into the air. LoL. They should learn to build from the back with confidence. ( Ohh Gosh, I envy Brighton a whole lot )
The back four looks solid, Ben White can come in as a substitute, Timber is a big name I want to see him settling in fast. And when they build, it'll be three man defense with Zinchenko joining to support Declan Rice in midfied.

With it, Arsenal would attack more and score more goals, I don't know how energetic Martinelli might be, I would also love to see Trossad starting ahead of him. He does means business whenever he's attacking. Interesting team they have, they'll cook next season.

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Quote from: klidex on July 06, 2023, 02:58:33 PM

Arsenal have indeed changed a lot after joining Arteta, but when we talk about new players taken by Arsenal, we must also remember that the top 5 clubs in the Premier League also have many new players, even like Manchester United and Liverpool.
So the competition for the top 5 or top 4 in the premier league is going to be even tougher and if Arsenal is not able to compete consistently he will lose his title again next season.

Actually, Arsenal are champions in the previous session, but because they didn't focus on their goals, that make them chaotic in the last minutes. Besides that, Arteta is also inexperienced to consistent, His attitude is far away when we talk about skill and management with Pep. Arteta still thinks that Pep is still his mentor, so not confident when facing Pep on the field.

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Quote from: jakdanyel on July 03, 2023, 04:42:47 AM

Arteta is a really good student of Guardiola indeed. I even started to think that Guardiola's heir at Manchester City will be Arteta in the future. For now both managers are concentrated on their own work at their current teams. Guardiola has reached his ultimate goal with Manchester City as well. Therefore I wonder if he will think of going for new adventures in a couple of years the most.

Arteta is doing a really great job with Arsenal these days. The latest season was a serious level of success for Arsenal I think. They even stayed in the title race for a long time. But due to being a young team they couldn't keep their concentration high on last weeks and lost their title chance.

But this is a solid improvement by Arteta that's for certain. I would like to see him being brought to Manchester City when Guardiola leaves.

Arteta has a long way to go as per achievement before he might even be considered to manage Manchester city.
What has he really won since he began his role?

His value will be doubled if Arsenal were to replicate their last seasons performance and even win the league. We know how hard it would be this season considering other teams has strenghtened their squad to avoid lapses.

Arsenal werent in top 4 for a couple or years and since Arteta came to the club he has done big things. He o most won the premier league and gave hope to Arsenal fans finally that they can win a trophy. With the new players that just came in i think they will be in top 4 for sure and maybe even fight for the title again.

Arsenal have indeed changed a lot after joining Arteta, but when we talk about new players taken by Arsenal, we must also remember that the top 5 clubs in the Premier League also have many new players, even like Manchester United and Liverpool.
So the competition for the top 5 or top 4 in the premier league is going to be even tougher and if Arsenal is not able to compete consistently he will lose his title again next season.

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Quote from: jakdanyel on July 03, 2023, 04:42:47 AM

Arteta is a really good student of Guardiola indeed. I even started to think that Guardiola's heir at Manchester City will be Arteta in the future. For now both managers are concentrated on their own work at their current teams. Guardiola has reached his ultimate goal with Manchester City as well. Therefore I wonder if he will think of going for new adventures in a couple of years the most.

Arteta is doing a really great job with Arsenal these days. The latest season was a serious level of success for Arsenal I think. They even stayed in the title race for a long time. But due to being a young team they couldn't keep their concentration high on last weeks and lost their title chance.

But this is a solid improvement by Arteta that's for certain. I would like to see him being brought to Manchester City when Guardiola leaves.

Arteta has a long way to go as per achievement before he might even be considered to manage Manchester city.
What has he really won since he began his role?

His value will be doubled if Arsenal were to replicate their last seasons performance and even win the league. We know how hard it would be this season considering other teams has strenghtened their squad to avoid lapses.

Arsenal werent in top 4 for a couple or years and since Arteta came to the club he has done big things. He o most won the premier league and gave hope to Arsenal fans finally that they can win a trophy. With the new players that just came in i think they will be in top 4 for sure and maybe even fight for the title again.

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Quote from: jakdanyel on July 03, 2023, 04:42:47 AM

Arteta is a really good student of Guardiola indeed. I even started to think that Guardiola's heir at Manchester City will be Arteta in the future. For now both managers are concentrated on their own work at their current teams. Guardiola has reached his ultimate goal with Manchester City as well. Therefore I wonder if he will think of going for new adventures in a couple of years the most.

Arteta is doing a really great job with Arsenal these days. The latest season was a serious level of success for Arsenal I think. They even stayed in the title race for a long time. But due to being a young team they couldn't keep their concentration high on last weeks and lost their title chance.

But this is a solid improvement by Arteta that's for certain. I would like to see him being brought to Manchester City when Guardiola leaves.

Arteta has a long way to go as per achievement before he might even be considered to manage Manchester city.

Besides securing four wins from four Premier League games in November and December. Besides being awarded the Premier League Manager of the Month for a repeated time, What has he really won since he began his role?

His value will be doubled if Arsenal were to replicate their last seasons performance and even win the league. We know how hard it would be this season considering other teams has strenghtened their squad to avoid lapses.

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Quote from: jakdanyel on July 02, 2023, 03:45:30 AM

I think there won't be any other competitor than Real Madrid for Mbappe. Because there hasn't even been a single speculation about an interest by another top team recently. His cost is too much for even rich teams so they also think twice before going for a move. Most of them choose to bring more players in a transfer window to strengthen more than one area by paying a lot less money than that.

except for waiting for Mbappe to complete his contract with PSG so that Mbappe is on a free transfer so that big teams will chase him like Man City and MU, I think they are also interested in getting Mbappe.

out of all the speculation about Mbappe let's get out of this uncertain rumor because I think the premier league without Mbappe still has star players who have good talent like Haaland.

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Looks like manchester united is quite serious to the next 2023/2024 session. They have planing to buy any player to fill up the weak position. maybe because they also play in the champions league so that situation they must buy another player, one of them is Mount which is almost certain to Old Trafford. they are also still hunting attacker from Serie A, Rasmus Hojlund that can add front line, this mean, they have 3 attacker: Rashford, Hojlund, and Antony if deal with Atalanta.

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Arteta is a really good student of Guardiola indeed. I even started to think that Guardiola's heir at Manchester City will be Arteta in the future. For now both managers are concentrated on their own work at their current teams. Guardiola has reached his ultimate goal with Manchester City as well. Therefore I wonder if he will think of going for new adventures in a couple of years the most.

Arteta is doing a really great job with Arsenal these days. The latest season was a serious level of success for Arsenal I think. They even stayed in the title race for a long time. But due to being a young team they couldn't keep their concentration high on last weeks and lost their title chance.

But this is a solid improvement by Arteta that's for certain. I would like to see him being brought to Manchester City when Guardiola leaves.

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Quote from: asriloni on July 01, 2023, 09:39:13 PM

I have seen arteta used some strategies during last season.

4-3-3, 4-1-41 or even 4-2-3-1.

Arteta may also able to form a new strategy with new compositions. I think that kai and rice gave arteta so many options.

Arteta is Pep's student, and Arteta can't change it like the previous session, so that situation, his strategy can be read perfectly by Pep and make the team lose perfectly. As we can see, Arsenal never gets the win in the last 3 matches. And, I can be sure they will be lost again on Community Shield on 6th August next if Arteta uses the same strategy. He needs a major overhaul on the team, at least there is a strategy that pep doesn't know.

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