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Quote from: Oneandpure on March 23, 2024, 11:06:27 AM

Arsenal managed the top position after leading 7 goals difference from Liverpool although both team have the same points awhile, Premier League used goals difference format not head to head. But have many matches left and not really impact with goals difference because three teams have chance to make more difference points on standings position.
Next match, Manchester City won't get draw against Arsenal because three points helping raise to the top position and fight with Liverpool for winning tittle, Arsenal on the same position they need win all matches left if won't get failed like last season after leading the first standings but at the end have dropped and Manchester City won the Premier League.

This is what many people don't understand about team performance, just because a team is good at finishing doesn't mean the team is good at defending and most of the time, analysts has said it many times that if you want to have a good finish of a match, your center back need to be as solid as concrete, the midfield need to be free and connected back and forth and lastly, the center forward need to be fast in converting any chance they get, this is how you win matches and that's what Arsenal has been doing all this while.

I want to see Arsenal worse on that match day, I have said this before and I'm saying it again that If Arsenal mistakenly win Manchester City, there is nothing in the Premier League currently that can stop them from winning the Premier League title, that match will programmed it in their head because going over to Etihad to finish them is like going to hell and then come back unscratched and untampered.

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Quote from: hahay on March 23, 2024, 10:18:24 AM

It's true, at this moment Arsenal deserves to be at the top of the standings, because Arsenal managed to have a lot of goals and also conceded fewer goals than Liverpool and Manchester City this season. But indeed, eventhough at this moment Arsenal can be said to be the bestteam in the Premier League, but playing awayagainst Manchester City still seems to be verydifficult for Arsenal to beat Manchester City at Etihad Stadium. Butindeed, eventhough it still seems difficult for Arsenal to beat Manchester City at the Etihad Stadium, but at least it is still possible for Arsenal to end the match with a draw. Therefore, of course this big match will really be very interesting, because whatever final result occurs in this match will have a big impact on their position in the standings in the race for the title this season.

No doubt Arsenal have risen so very terrible in their last few games, their success in scoring 33 goals in just 8 league games makes them a team that has a dangerous squad at the moment in scoring, indeed we admit that Liverpool and Manchester City also have great attacking attackers but if we look at precisely the goals created by Arsenal evenly distributed from players on every line, The attack, midfield and even defensive line that Arsenal have now also has the ability to score goals, so I think that makes Arsenal different from others like Manchester City and Liverpool who only rely on attack to score goals.

Yes, at the moment we are just waiting another week to see the big match played, and I think it will be difficult for us to see who will win the game even though actually Manchester City are quite advantaged by playing in the game, at the moment Arsenal may be doubtful to field Saka and Martinelli in the game due to injury,but I think that will not reduce Arsenal's chances of scoring at least to bring home 1 point from Etihad Stadium.

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Quote from: wakier on March 23, 2024, 10:01:59 AM

Yes, we can't speculate just because of the rumors circulating because in fact there is no recent news regarding evidence that Man City really made this dirty mistake. If that really happens, Man City is threatened with being expelled from the EPL, which is quite a severe punishment for Any team that tries to violate must therefore be careful if they want to make dirty transactions. I hope the Man City rumors don't come true because it would be very sad to see Man City not be in the EPL if that really happened.

I also hope that the rumors are not true because it would be very unfortunate if a team as big as Manchester City had to leave the Premier League because of this. And so far everyone who has seen the impressive way the Manchester City team plays every match in the Premier League certainly doesn't want to lose the team just because of that. So it would definitely be very sad if that were true, but I hope it's not true so that we can continue to see the Manchester City team in the Premier League.

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If you look at the teams from the 15th position to the 20th position you will see that it is like a race to the bottom. And all the teams are performing really badly. Brentford, Everton, and Luton Town does not have any wins in the last 5 matches. And the 3 teams that are in the relegation zone have 1 win each in the last five matches. This type of performance is really not good to see.

Yes, you can say that it is expected from the teams that are absolutely towards the bottom of the table. But I think you can expect this kind of performance from the teams that are in the relegation zone. Not from the bottom 6/7 teams of the table, right? This really puts a bad view of the league to the people. Maybe it is because the richer clubs are being able to generate and spend more money and that's why they are the ones performing well. The poor clubs do not have that luxury.

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Quote from: hahay on March 23, 2024, 10:18:24 AM

It's true, at this moment Arsenal deserves to be at the top of the standings, because Arsenal managed to have a lot of goals and also conceded fewer goals than Liverpool and Manchester City this season. But indeed, eventhough at this moment Arsenal can be said to be the bestteam in the Premier League, but playing awayagainst Manchester City still seems to be verydifficult for Arsenal to beat Manchester City at Etihad Stadium. Butindeed, eventhough it still seems difficult for Arsenal to beat Manchester City at the Etihad Stadium, but at least it is still possible for Arsenal to end the match with a draw. Therefore, of course this big match will really be very interesting, because whatever final result occurs in this match will have a big impact on their position in the standings in the race for the title this season.

Deserving or not, but what is clear is that Arsenal is currently at the top of the standings, but at this time this does not mean that Manchester City and Liverpool are below Arsenal in occupying the top position. If you look at the quality of the team, I see that these three teams do not have a significant difference. and currently the 3 teams have quite tight points in the competition.
For the match against Manchester City, of course it will not be easy for Arsenal and even the percentage for Arsenal to win this match is very small. Firstly, we also have to look at the previous meeting and also we have to look at the mentality and quality of the team, I think Manchester City are a little better, especially since they will play at home with quite a lot of motivation to win the title this season.

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Quote from: Polkeins on March 23, 2024, 03:50:53 AM

Chelsea do not have an adequate replacement for Mudryk at his position yet and besides, in recent games not only Mudryk, but the whole team is showing good progress. After last failed season and 12th place, it seemed that Chelsea may eventually drop out of the EPL, but gradually Pocchetino rebuilt the team and now Chelsea scores a lot and almost all the midfield and attacking players forget the goals, everyone develops evenly. Only Palmer stands out a little bit, but otherwise the team play is visible now and every substitution now for Chelsea does not turn into a weakening as before, but on the contrary very often after substitutions Chelsea scores.
If Chelsea finish above 8th place this season, it can be considered a great success.

So who else should be in that position? Nicolas Jackson & Raheem Sterling? Both of them have also performed poorly recently. If Mudryk cannot adapt and perform well this season, perhaps the only way is to look for a more suitable player next season. Being ranked 8th is also not a parameter for their success this season considering they performed quite well in the 20/21 and 21/22 seasons. For me, their success this season after the chaos they experienced was to be at least 7th in the PL standings and get a spot in the UECL qualifiers.

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Arsenal has performed very well in the last few matches. Even though they had difficulties against Porto, in the end they were the ones who qualified for the next round. Arsenal is the most aggressive team in the PL this season. They have scored 70 goals. Arsenal is very strong in the English league and this will be a big challenge for City. The bookie favors City but I bet the match will end in a draw. Both teams are in contention for the championship title. So I think both teams will try to play carefully and minimize mistakes. I really can't wait to watch that game.

Bookies who favor Manchester City also have their own reasons apart from seeing that the match will be held at Manchester City's home ground. However, what you say is also true that Manchester City must play more carefully because the opponent for next weekend's match is quite a serious opponent for him if you remember about the fight for the title this season. Because Arsenal will also use all their abilities to win at home to Manchester City or at least not lose the match even though the position of the two teams could also suffer a slight loss if Liverpool can win against Brighton at Anfield.

It's true, at this moment Arsenal deserves to be at the top of the standings, because Arsenal managed to have a lot of goals and also conceded fewer goals than Liverpool and Manchester City this season. But indeed, eventhough at this moment Arsenal can be said to be the bestteam in the Premier League, but playing awayagainst Manchester City still seems to be verydifficult for Arsenal to beat Manchester City at Etihad Stadium. Butindeed, eventhough it still seems difficult for Arsenal to beat Manchester City at the Etihad Stadium, but at least it is still possible for Arsenal to end the match with a draw. Therefore, of course this big match will really be very interesting, because whatever final result occurs in this match will have a big impact on their position in the standings in the race for the title this season.

If arsenal can somehow win Manchester city in this fixture then I think we will all be one step further in believing that they can make it to the top of the league and maybe just maybe finish with the trophy secured but I doubt that although it would have been nice seeing that happen but the fight is not among only the two teams but among three teams and any results that would be gotten from the match will certainly favor Liverpool greatly especially if one side were to lose out

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Still, in this case we also have to look for what Chelsea did wrong even though what you say is true where sometimes for a club there must be ups and downs but this happened because of some wrong decisions and it could be that the decline in performance could have been overcome earlier if there was a good solution from the beginning.

But that could not be done, when Abramovich left and Todd came all the great glory and prestige of Chelsea was just destroyed. Not that this is entirely Todd's fault it's just that he doesn't really understand the ball but wants to try to take over as a whole then indeed it ends not too well.
Many of Todd's controversial decisions ultimately made the situation more complicated not only about club management but in terms of coaches and players there were also a lot of money decisions that made the situation more complicated.

Right now, Chelaea's focus continues to be on improvement but if their scheme remains the same with players and coaches changing with each passing season then no matter how much money they spend the results will not be effective and will only make things worse.

They thought that money could buy them games but they didn't realize that just because you can spend money doesn't mean that you will win. First of all, they made mistakes of buying players for the same positions that they had good players for, in fact they bought two players for a single position once, which made no sense and having trouble utilizing them both now.

Secondly, they didn't really consider chemistry, because you can't bring in this many players and a brand new manager with hopes that they will play great together that quickly, we all know that it wouldn't work that way and they need to figure out a way to do better overtime. Since they usually lose, they do not keep the manager so nobody really gets used to each other.

Todd could be a good owner if from the start he did not interfere too much and gave discretion to management who understood more about the condition of the team but indeed there was a lot of upheaval that occurred not only in terms of coaches but from several other management positions at Chelsea were also replaced which made this broken and from the start Todd should have fixed the situation first before starting to players but the steps Todd took were a mistake where precisely what he had done so far seemed to be a waste of money without profitable results.

The money they burned did not produce anything and now Chelsea's problem also cannot be solved because there are too many dismantling players just because they want instant results every season even though if they want to start progress from the beginning I think the results can still be different unlike now where Chelsea's performance is still stagnant and always gets losses every season.

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After successfully beating Liverpool in the FA Cup, this week Manchester United will visit Brenford's headquarters, with their good game in the previous match, they should be more confident when playing this match. Brentford themselves are not in a good condition, they are without a win in the last 5 matches, recording 4 defeats and only 1 draw, of course that is a bad record for them.

On the other hand, the visiting team got a breath of fresh air after winning a big match in the FA Cup. However, actually they are not in a very good condition, because in the Premier League they also lost in the previous 2 matches. However, if you compare it to Brentford, they are better. However, Brentford itself cannot be underestimated. The reason is that they also often make things difficult for Manchester United when they meet and it is very possible that they will be able to do the same in this match.

Manchester United is trying to get the best place in the standings, so they have to be able to win this match if they want to make that happen.

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Quote from: hahay on March 23, 2024, 10:18:24 AM

It's true, at this moment Arsenal deserves to be at the top of the standings, because Arsenal managed to have a lot of goals and also conceded fewer goals than Liverpool and Manchester City this season. But indeed, eventhough at this moment Arsenal can be said to be the bestteam in the Premier League, but playing awayagainst Manchester City still seems to be verydifficult for Arsenal to beat Manchester City at Etihad Stadium. Butindeed, eventhough it still seems difficult for Arsenal to beat Manchester City at the Etihad Stadium, but at least it is still possible for Arsenal to end the match with a draw. Therefore, of course this big match will really be very interesting, because whatever final result occurs in this match will have a big impact on their position in the standings in the race for the title this season.

Arsenal managed the top position after leading 7 goals difference from Liverpool although both team have the same points awhile, Premier League used goals difference format not head to head. But have many matches left and not really impact with goals difference because three teams have chance to make more difference points on standings position.
Next match, Manchester City won't get draw against Arsenal because three points helping raise to the top position and fight with Liverpool for winning tittle, Arsenal on the same position they need win all matches left if won't get failed like last season after leading the first standings but at the end have dropped and Manchester City won the Premier League.

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Arsenal has performed very well in the last few matches. Even though they had difficulties against Porto, in the end they were the ones who qualified for the next round. Arsenal is the most aggressive team in the PL this season. They have scored 70 goals. Arsenal is very strong in the English league and this will be a big challenge for City. The bookie favors City but I bet the match will end in a draw. Both teams are in contention for the championship title. So I think both teams will try to play carefully and minimize mistakes. I really can't wait to watch that game.

Bookies who favor Manchester City also have their own reasons apart from seeing that the match will be held at Manchester City's home ground. However, what you say is also true that Manchester City must play more carefully because the opponent for next weekend's match is quite a serious opponent for him if you remember about the fight for the title this season. Because Arsenal will also use all their abilities to win at home to Manchester City or at least not lose the match even though the position of the two teams could also suffer a slight loss if Liverpool can win against Brighton at Anfield.

It's true, at this moment Arsenal deserves to be at the top of the standings, because Arsenal managed to have a lot of goals and also conceded fewer goals than Liverpool and Manchester City this season. But indeed, eventhough at this moment Arsenal can be said to be the bestteam in the Premier League, but playing awayagainst Manchester City still seems to be verydifficult for Arsenal to beat Manchester City at Etihad Stadium. Butindeed, eventhough it still seems difficult for Arsenal to beat Manchester City at the Etihad Stadium, but at least it is still possible for Arsenal to end the match with a draw. Therefore, of course this big match will really be very interesting, because whatever final result occurs in this match will have a big impact on their position in the standings in the race for the title this season.

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Dominant clubs are annoying, and if their dominance is based on dirty dealings, then this increases the irritation tenfold.

Everything City have achieved, they did so on the field; if you are talking about the EPL charges when you say "dirty dealings", remember that it is innocent until proven guilty, as at this time the EPL are yet to prove their case and City still say they are 100% not guilty. Having said that, whatever the outcome of this trial is, i think it is largely unfair to say all the success City have had is due to dirty dealings, when many of the charges go back to incidences of 10 years ago or more.

Yes, we can't speculate just because of the rumors circulating because in fact there is no recent news regarding evidence that Man City really made this dirty mistake. If that really happens, Man City is threatened with being expelled from the EPL, which is quite a severe punishment for Any team that tries to violate must therefore be careful if they want to make dirty transactions. I hope the Man City rumors don't come true because it would be very sad to see Man City not be in the EPL if that really happened.

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Quote from: Obari on March 23, 2024, 04:39:51 AM

I really don't see why the bookies have decided to favour City in this game,but I see a 50-50 game,infact if we are to look at the favourite,we would say it's Arsenal because they've been able to win City twice this season, although I know this one is going to be very tough because City are at home,and would want to do everything possible to revenge what Arsenal did to them in the previous match, Meanwhile,Arsenal boys knows that if they are to have trophy at the end of the season,they must be able to beat City,and that would give them the motivation they would use in Winning other teams and be able to lift the trophy.

Some rumors say Haaland will miss the match against Arsenal, so adding points plus Arsenal could steal a win if that really happens. Currently both teams are ambitious to win and avoid sharing points, especially after Manchester City shared points with Liverpool in the previous match. The bookies are still optimistic that playing at home will not reduce the host's game mentality and will be superior on paper. Don't want to get caught in a bet like that, it's still difficult to predict even though the hosts are the favorites, Arsenal still have strong capital to play optimally.

Quote from: Richbased on March 23, 2024, 04:44:39 AM

Bukayo Saka absence may not affect Arsenal much but we all know his impact when he was active in the pitch of play because Saka is literally a player that brings in his best in almost every of Arsenal game so it will be difficult to play without such an important player but however, with the kind of energy Arsenal have shown so far I wish them good luck in their game against Manchester city.

Arteta can still close the gap if he plays without Bukayo Saka, the players trust does not completely depend on Saka. Arsenal players are more mature in order to continue to maintain instability. There are significant changes compared to last season, Arsenal in the UCL also received full support even though the opponent was Bayern Munich. Big bet to minimize defeat in the match against Manchester City. The Gunners' entire strength must be fully unleashed.

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Quote from: Obari on March 23, 2024, 04:39:51 AM

I really don't see why the bookies have decided to favour City in this game,but I see a 50-50 game,infact if we are to look at the favourite,we would say it's Arsenal because they've been able to win City twice this season, although I know this one is going to be very tough because City are at home,and would want to do everything possible to revenge what Arsenal did to them in the previous match, Meanwhile,Arsenal boys knows that if they are to have trophy at the end of the season,they must be able to beat City,and that would give them the motivation they would use in Winning other teams and be able to lift the trophy.

The chance will always be 50/50 because the odds at the bookies take into account many things but in fact they will not always be fixed as an illustration of how the final result of the match will be.
It will be very tight because Manchester City are unbeaten at home this season and Arsenal are in very good form, but City are often the team that lags behind their opponents but after that they will perform better to finally get the three points.

Arsenal must be able to take advantage of City's negligence in the early minutes and if they can lead by more than one goal the opportunity to get three points is wide open, and the Arsenal squad really understands the importance of this match because it is reported that several players have refused the call to play for the English national team in the current break, it seems they want to avoid injury and fatigue and focus on the big game.

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Quote from: Luzin on March 23, 2024, 05:06:58 AM

Leicester City appear to have filed a lawsuit with the EPL. They seem to disagree with the decision to violate profitability and sustainability (PSR) regulations during their last three years in the division. As interesting as it may seem, Leicester City also made the decision of this open-air conference to inform the general public. Unlike what the EPL body has done so far, which conducts closed hearings.

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/mar/22/leicester-issue-legal-proceedings-against-premier-league-and-efl

I do support leicester for this. The has admitted its fault but it's only looking for justice right now from EPL and EFL.

Here's latest statement from leicester city regarding this problem.

The embargo from EFL to Leicester City has also been hurting the club. I think that the club should try to take legal action when it finds something like this. It's Leicester's right to sue EPL and EFL regarding the embargo that has already been sanctioned to its club.
I hope this issue will able to be solved very soon. I think that the decision from EFL and EPL was obviously premature.

They shall lift the embargo for leicester city for this.

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Quote from: Rampagoe004 on March 23, 2024, 04:00:49 AM

Arsenal has performed very well in the last few matches. Even though they had difficulties against Porto, in the end they were the ones who qualified for the next round. Arsenal is the most aggressive team in the PL this season. They have scored 70 goals. Arsenal is very strong in the English league and this will be a big challenge for City. The bookie favors City but I bet the match will end in a draw. Both teams are in contention for the championship title. So I think both teams will try to play carefully and minimize mistakes. I really can't wait to watch that game.

Bookies who favor Manchester City also have their own reasons apart from seeing that the match will be held at Manchester City's home ground. However, what you say is also true that Manchester City must play more carefully because the opponent for next weekend's match is quite a serious opponent for him if you remember about the fight for the title this season. Because Arsenal will also use all their abilities to win at home to Manchester City or at least not lose the match even though the position of the two teams could also suffer a slight loss if Liverpool can win against Brighton at Anfield.

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Quote from: KTChampions on March 23, 2024, 08:47:25 AM

In general, yes, they are all pros (and I’m not just talking about City players) and essentially for them the whole season is an endless series of games and they are all important and in the end everything merges into one endless match. Therefore, in virtually every game everyone shows their average level. But the game with Real Madrid, especially in the quarterfinals of the Champions League, is very different from all other games, so I think that no matter how hard Guardiola tries, the players will think about this game not only when necessary (immediately before the game) but also long before it.

It is always hard to maintain normal focus before an important match in Champions League. It is where all players want to win and lift the trophy so no matter what their coach says, players will be distracted a lot to Champions League than their domestic league, Premier League.

This season, Manchester City are defending their title in Champions League and their players only won one title last season so I believe their ambition to win it again, is still big. They know that they will make history as a second club can defend title in Champions League after Real Madrid. It's nothing better than moving nearer to the final match, by beating Real Madrid, the only champion so far successfully defend their trophy.

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I think this is a typical case when only City fans want a City victory, but the fans of all other teams, even Liverpool, want an Arsenal victory Grin

Dominant clubs are annoying, and if their dominance is based on dirty dealings, then this increases the irritation tenfold. We can hope that City players will be on their minds already in the game against Real Madrid and Arsenal will earn at least a draw in this game.

I am not convinced that the City players could be distracted by the upcoming game against Real Madrid. There is Pep Guardiola who understands like nobody else how to direct the focus of his players to the single task that is ahead of them and then there is this endless experience playing on the maximum level almost every single game. This may apply to less experienced teams and players, but I don't think that the majority of the City players could lose focus or are less focused than they normally are because there is this clash against Real waiting for them. But still Arsenal has a chance to win the game. City is amazing, but they are not magically protected from losing games.

In general, yes, they are all pros (and I’m not just talking about City players) and essentially for them the whole season is an endless series of games and they are all important and in the end everything merges into one endless match. Therefore, in virtually every game everyone shows their average level. But the game with Real Madrid, especially in the quarterfinals of the Champions League, is very different from all other games, so I think that no matter how hard Guardiola tries, the players will think about this game not only when necessary (immediately before the game) but also long before it.

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You guys underrate Arsenal so much that you don't even see their success when it's right there that the are winning. They might have more loss among the top three teams but they manage their so well to win instead of draw like the other teams did. They are were topping th table even before now, came down and still went back there. If it was that easy, Manchester United would be there dragging the top of the tree with them, but they aren't even sure of going to the Europa conference league next season, give Arsenal some respect they deserve.

Bukayo Saka is one of the key players of Arsenal, he can't fade injury just when the club need him the most but even if he wouldn't be around, there are people that will take that wing position massively and will deliver. He was injured some weeks back and wasn't here and yet the team were breaking barriers like he was present in the club, take a chill and watch the outcome of the match.

Nobody is saying that Arsenal is a weak team, and in fact it is difficult to say that about the team that currently leads the Premier League. The fact is that the Premier League is very competitive, and Liverpool and City are too close, besides, the situation at the top of the table changes very often, recently Liverpool was the leader, today Arsenal, and I would not be surprised if City soon will up in first place. The teams are moving very close, which of course improves the quality of the championship.

Shifting positions between these 3 teams every week is inevitable and as time goes by, all of them will outperform each other. To be honest, I prefer competition like this because it makes the league more exciting and the audience who watch it will have a strong appetite. Maybe Arsenal often lose their brilliant performance, but I think that's normal because all teams experience pressure in this phase.

I think Liverpool and Manchester City will also experience the same thing and it cannot be avoided if they experience one failure in the match. It is impossible to avoid everything, especially if a player is injured, it will certainly slightly reduce his chances of being able to maintain his top position. Apart from that, other teams who may not initially be as threatening as Aston Villa or Spurs will also take advantage of this opportunity to get closer. So I think vigilance is important and don't quickly feel satisfied just because you have the upper hand.

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Quote from: Rockstarguy on March 23, 2024, 02:04:55 AM

I will not use the games played previous season to judge how Manchester City vs arsenal game will be because right now arsenal is a strong team and they have been doing better. I just know Manchester City have more advantage of winning since it is a home game for them, I won't be surprise if Manchester City wins against arsenal but I know the game won't be easy for Manchester City because arsenal is tough. From the performance of arsenal this season I don't think Manchester City will easily defeat them, if Manchester City wins against arsenal that means they are lucky to grab victory.

Most times we do use that at most when we want to place bets of tough games like this, you make good use of head to head to determine the outcome of the next game but in this game, Manchester City are now favorites according to the bookies but they Arsenal would have to say no, we've got this and we want to maintain our position at the top by winning this game.

Take for example the game between Manchester United and Liverpool, who was favorites? Liverpool, Yes? But what happened at the ending of the game? It's football, those players have to go ahead and say " Fuck the bookies" we're winning this game. Mikel Arteta and his lads doing a great job in between.
Both sides indeed have got hard fixtures ahead but Arsenal remains favorite, if they can beat city during the first half of the season, then anything is possible.

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